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[b]For example in real life:[/b]
You go to one of those street vendors with a hundred dollar bill and you buy some stuff and you receive change. All that money is counterfeit, later you go to the bank to deposit it. You can't simply because it's counterfeit. The bank person then has to keep the counterfeit money to remove it from the public to stop it from being used, they have to take it from you. You on the other hand [b]can not[/b] get your money back. You try to explain to the bank that you got it from the street vendor but they are no where to be found.

If you are saying it's Nexon's fault for allowing this. You are saying it's the government's fault for allowing counterfeit money? This doesn't make any sense. The government would have control but there are people who slip through.

You won't get your money back in this situation.

[quote=Ultros0]If you find illegal drugs, but you didnt know they were or something and the cop catches you with it, should you not get punished?[/quote]
Technically yes, you would get punished, it's illegal to [b]have them in possession[/b]. This is the best example because people are buying these "drugs" claiming they're legal or they didn't know they're illegal. Since the "Cops" are giving them a chance to redeem themselves, they say "No, I want to keep my "drugs" because I paid for them." The "dealer" is no where to be found, that's how it is in real life.

Dealer - Exploit hacker
Buyer - So-called legit person
Cop - Nexon

So who's fault is it?
You bought them to resell them for more. The buyer or person is possession if theydon't give it up. They were given a chance to redeem themselves by getting rid of it.

In this case it was pretty obvious it was an exploit. [b]There are no rollbacks in real life, deal with it.[/b]

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2021340/]Read this detailed information before blaming Nexon and saying it's their fault. But I please ask you to refrain from telling others to get banned with you.[/url]

P.S.
[b]You knew it was exploited and you still bought it to profit off of it. This is against the ToS thus illegitimate. Take responsibility for your own actions.[/b]

You knew it was exploited and you still bought it to profit off of it. This is against the ToS thus illegitimate. [b]Take responsibility for your own actions.[/b]

[quote=lp757]i have about 5 pink scrolls 30 chaos scrolls. im keeping them. i did not hack, did not condone hacking, or anything of the sort, i trained from 80-100 and turned in every average/below average equip to save up coins for chaos scrolls. if i get banned for taking part in the event that they created, ill just quit anyways cause thats a terrible way to run a game.[/quote]

You're supposed to keep items that are legit. The ONLY items that you have to get rid of are the hacked or exploited items.

[quote=MsxMama]YOU KNOW WHAT I BET NEXON IS THINKING WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN? tHEY THINK " HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE MADE OFF OF THIS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE LOSE IF WE DO A ROLLBACK? greedy bastards[/quote]

gurll gone medd.

YOU KNOW WHAT I BET NEXON IS THINKING WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN? tHEY THINK " HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE MADE OFF OF THIS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE LOSE IF WE DO A ROLLBACK? greedy bastards

Blaming someone else won't make you inocent, they didn't patch it earlier, but you knew there was an exploit, and you decided to take advantage of it.

nexon makes me wanna be a hacker. punishing me and taking my meso for what hackers did.

sorry buddy, it is your fault.... enjoy your ban.

[quote=ChibiKC]No just no...[/quote]

O.o i love how u look <3

Some people purchased a large amount of Chaos Scrolls knowing they were exploited but not that they would be punished for owning them.
It's really isn't fair to make these players drop all of them because it's basically means all the mesos they spent on the scrolls are gone forever and there's no way to savage it.
Yes, they probably shouldn't have purchased the scrolls in the first place but it just doesn't seem likely that you will be banned for it at the time of purchased for many.
This is completely the hackers fault, they gained a ton of mesos from players while simultaneously ensuring they won't be able to get it back.
I know Nexon doesn't have a better solution to this. Which makes me wish that they simply rolled back the servers and stop trying to come up with different solutions that don't even work as well.

[quote=infferrno]Oh and everyone, Hime is just bluffing. Apparently "legit" items aren't affected... well how does he/she explain my Maple Weapons that I got from monsters? They were not obtained through Inkel and are untradeable. It's a bluff, hold on to your items!

Also: "- Items you know were bought from legitimate sellers."

Well... there's our ace in the hole.

Also, if they can tell between real and fakes... why not just lock the fake ones instead of every single one?

I, myself, have 25. That's not enough to call me a hacker! When I was hard-core merchanting (my idea of hard-core ) I was buying up to 30 Chaos and selling them overnight. I could just play it off as that.

EDIT: Count me in. I either make it to shore or I drown with my scrolls.[/quote]

This, I bought 1.6k chaos scrolls and 130 2h 20% pinks, if the 30 combines with the 1 I buy from the store then there is no definite way to tell the difference from legitimately obtained and obtained from exploit.

Nexon has already been through 2 other cases of which this type of exploit was happening and they still fail to deliver. It should be their fault for not patching a hole in their event which was already seen in 2 other ones. People shouldn't be punished for something they forgot to look in to and release it. PS I didn't do the exploit and I quit MS already.

[quote=xbluedragon]I've read that, but was unclear because "[b]We are only after items generated by the coins exploit[/b]"
How I read that was: I scrolled with exploited chaos scrolls.. meaning that item was given it's stats by that scroll.. meaning that item was exploited because I used exploited scrolls from the coins exploit.. So that item['s stats was made/]generated by the coins exploit D:[/quote]

- Unknowingly used exploited scrolls on your items.

I'm not dropping my scrolls.
Lets get banned together
Is it a perm ban ?

@ccorks: [b]It was unknown whether the scrolls were exploited or not[/b]

[quote=Ravordyn]Oh, no, I definitely agree a rollback would have been by far been one of the best solutions and I'm not quite sure why they didn't other than "the meso economy wasn't very affected." A rollback along with bans of the exploiters would have gotten rid of the problems while also not leaving all this grey area nonsense.

The reason I assumed she was taking advantage of the exploit was the fact she has 3k scrolls. By the time they got down to prices where she could afford that many (unless she decided to spend 15bil+ on them), it was pretty widely know there was an exploit in process. Perhaps it's still possible she hadn't heard about it, but I am still of the opinion that once the prices got down that low with that many stacks of chaos, it was pretty obvious something was happening. The fact there was an exploit doesn't mean we should drop all common sense just because we see cheap items. Just my opinion though.[/quote]

You're putting a lot of thought into this and maintaining your composure, I'll stop attacking you. You make some good points.

@xbluedragon:
Legits don't have to worry about Maple weapons: (Taken from -hime-)

If you legitimately earned your items you do not need to get rid of them. Such as

- Earning Maple weapons through hunting.

- Earning Anniversary items through anniversary coins you made such as collecting leaves or turning in anniversary items you hunted.

- Items you know were bought from legitimate sellers.

- Unknowingly used exploited scrolls on your items.

We are only after items generated by the coins exploit, not your hard earned items.

Thank you for your cooperation!

Link: http://forum.nexon.net/MapleStory/forums/thread/7279615.aspx

[quote=xbluedragon]Does anyone know if you have to drop/NPC the items that you scrolled as well?
Example: I scrolled all my end game gear (in my defense I believed that there was going to be a roll back) and don't have enough funding to buy new gear. Do I have to NPC them? ..All my items were cubed by my own RL money @__@...[/quote]

chaos'd items are safe to keep.

I'm not going to drop/npc my chaos. Last time I've played Maple was January. I spent my spare mesos on chaos and I don't really care. I only play CA now and if they ban me, I'm sure they'll unban me since I have no ban history whatsoever. I know a person who got innocently perma banned for harassment(drama) on CA. Although he was involved in it, he wasn't that big in it. The community manager of the CA forums said that he'll get unbanned due to having no ban history. So if I get banned, I'm sure I'll get unbanned soon. I'll even let them delete my hero if it means getting unbanned since I don't play this anymore.

OMG I knew chaos were made untradeable but i was about to make 10m off a maple kandiva i got off kargos (10m may not seem like a lot but i broke because i blew so much on those damn chaos scrolls)

[quote=sumdudez]Well, Nexon can't identify the exploit/hack within hours of it being introduced.
Nexon was also really lenient this time around. Approximately one week to remove all of your scrolls. They could have just banned all who exploited it/purchased them from exploiters.

Go sell them all and continue playing, or you can go get yourself banned.[/quote]

How can you sell that which cannot be traded?

[quote=GlaceVanessa]It's not just about losing levels people have probably bought things or made mesos and i'm pretty sure it's gonna disappoint them if there was rollback and they lose what they earned/got.Besides Nexon tried to avoid it because of these reasons they did what they had to do be happy it wasn't a rollback.[/quote]

This I would of lost my Specs, which I brought for a cheap price of 1.7b, but would of gained 800m+ (This counts items I brought to chaos)

[quote=Dinpa]Exploit? It's called merching. [b]No, its called exploiting. Getting tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of coins is not "merching". If it takes both a hacking software and packets to use, its a hack, and you are exploiting it.[/b]
Make sure you understand what im trying to say before you post false info.
Did Nexon tell us not to buy for cheap? [b]They said not to hack, exploit or glitch, which includes not buying from hackers, exploiters, and glitches.[/b]
Did Nexon tell us not to buy from hackers? [b]Depends, did you ever read the ToS? Yes they did. Its also common sense (gasp! common sense!)[/b]
Exploit means to utilize something and this is what merching is about. [b]Too bad this is a hacking exploit, not merching.[/b]
Therefore, I dont blame myself and i don't care if i get banned. This ban thing is only a bluff. [b]Considering you ARE to blame and you should be banned. Also how is [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/News/News.aspx?boardNo=105&contentNo=00BrP&pageIndex=1]THIS[/url] ban list a bluff?[/b][/quote]

Read the above. Mhm.

[quote=ZombieFredo]lol@QQ. Google what QQ is and stop using it.

@TS, We'll all see you back on basil forums crying if the ban hits you.[/quote]

In what way is he using QQ wrong?
It can be seen in both of its definition: The original being that he is saying that Nexon is making him want to quit (or be banned), and that Nexon is literately making him cry because he is going to be banned for having 3k chaos.

@TS, Seems kinda stupid to put 3k Chaos on one account.

This is not your fault? Really? So you not only exploited, but HACKED to do so, and its not your fault? Thats like saying "I killed a 4 year old girl, but since she didn't defend herself its not my fault"

But yes, im going down with 800 chaos scrolls and 800 20% scrolls.

C ya later. You should of expected this to happen. Your fault for buying Hacked chaos scrolls ^.~

perm ban

now that my legit 11 str 22 atk maple shield is not tradable anymore i vote for a rollback as well

If you hacked all those chaos scrolls you are getting banned.
My 15 accounts already did.
-.- and you give others till the 15th nexon...

Exploit? It's called merching.
Make sure you understand what im trying to say before you post false info.
Did Nexon tell us not to buy for cheap?
Did Nexon tell us not to buy from hackers?
Exploit means to utilize something and this is what merching is about.
Therefore, I dont blame myself and i don't care if i get banned. This ban thing is only a bluff.

[quote=Daurk]This made my day.[/quote]

Glad someone liked it. :]

Lol. Nexon just doesnt understand the only way to fix this is rollback, or deleting all items but people will lose money so no. Im wondering why they didnt do this with all the items with like 10 stars from enhanced scrolls on it? They should post "if you have an item with enhanced scroll hacked NPC it or get ban", people have cravens with 150att+ probably hack by them or bought but still made by hack...and IT IS STILL IN THE GAME.

[quote=sams]People can say they bought 10-20 scrolls without knowing the exploit was going on, but 3000? Who are you trying to fool?
You were perfectly aware that the scrolls were being exploited.[/quote]

That's a very unfair to pass judgement.
You didn't know, so it's your fault.
However obvious it is, there are always people who won't know or will think it's part of a game update. Nexon can be blamed just as easily for not letting anybody know.

@Ravordyn: It is partially their fault, but they probably have patched the more obvious exploits. They could have patched a thousand loopholes for all we know (why would they tell us?), and the hackers might have found one that was not patched.
That could also be a reason for the slow response, if it were true.

If it wasn't a bluff I'd say let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya as the banhammer swings down on us!

[quote=Ravordyn]Yes, if you bought them before they dropped to absurd prices or before the exploit was known, then I feel sorry for the people who bought them. However, in their statement, Nexon said to get rid of scrolls that were more than likely exploited. If you bought them for what used to be their normal price (or close to it), you could make the argument that you thought they were legit. Same with maple weapons. It's really hard to tell whether the maple weapons were exploited as they don't come in stacks.
However, I do not feel sorry for people who bought scrolls for <1mil with multiple stacks of 100 as by that point it's pretty obvious that something unnatural is happening with the scrolls. Ignorance would be willingly purchasing these scrolls after it was obvious some sort of exploit or hack was happening.[/quote]

It doesn't mean she knew, however obvious it was. It is not her job to care, Nexon had a major flaw and they could of resolved the issue with a rollback which would have been a lot less complicated and none of this would be happening

[quote=Dinpa]I currently have 3000 chaos scrolls and I would rather get banned with all my items in it then NPC all my chaos scrolls.
This is not our fault. It's their fault for not patching the hack.

GMs could at least camp in FM to ban hackers or ban them until the event is over if they are unsure if he or she hacks.[/quote]

Nexon doesn't have the heart to ban EVERYONE! No one would buy NX then

Oh and everyone, Hime is just bluffing. Apparently "legit" items aren't affected... well how does he/she explain my Maple Weapons that I got from monsters? They were not obtained through Inkel and are untradeable. It's a bluff, hold on to your items!

Also: "- Items you know were bought from legitimate sellers."

Well... there's our ace in the hole.

Also, if they can tell between real and fakes... why not just lock the fake ones instead of every single one?

I, myself, have 25. That's not enough to call me a hacker! When I was hard-core merchanting (my idea of hard-core ) I was buying up to 30 Chaos and selling them overnight. I could just play it off as that.

EDIT: Count me in. I either make it to shore or I drown with my scrolls.

Count me in.

[quote=Ravordyn]It's their fault the hack existed.
It's your fault you decided to buy the exploited scrolls.

Take some responsibility for your own actions.[/quote]

You're coming from an ignorant view, It was unknown whether the scrolls were exploited or not so back off

[quote=ilikefoodand]Umadbro? Nexon making you QQ?[/quote]

lol@QQ. Google what QQ is and stop using it.

@TS, We'll all see you back on basil forums crying if the ban hits you.

This is why I don't buy from FM, rofl.

[quote=Ravordyn]It's their fault the hack existed.[/quote]

That's like saying it's the US legal system's fault that criminal exists.
There are many, many more hackers working to exploit Maplestory than there are Nexon employees working to patch hacks.

[quote=iLikeCheese123]Nexon should have rolled back and made everyone happy. For those of you who aren't happy if you lose a couple of levels, you can just gain those levels back.[/quote]

.. with a 2x exp event and yadayada but still i find it unfair to flag ALL maple items as UNTRADABLE

Nexon should have rolled back and made everyone happy. For those of you who aren't happy if you lose a couple of levels, you can just gain those levels back.