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nexon should hire hackers, but the hackers can probably make more off their exploits than what nexon pays

[quote=IImaplers]I kind of agree in some way, but you're giving Nexon developers too much credit. They've simply not done a competent job at combating hacking and there's years of programming mistake after mistake proving this. How things continually get mishandled and/or ignored by Nexon is staggering. I'm not just saying this as someone who has played this game for years, but also as someone whose occupation is programming.

The blame also doesn't only fall on the developers' shoulders but also the management which give the developers orders. Management seems to be concerned more with the dollar than securing the game and years of degradation show this.[/quote]

I would probably agree that it's more of a management issue... though there is still probably more behind-the-scenes that we don't get at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

[quote=SilverFoxR]To be absolutely blunt, Nexon [b]does[/b] hire hackers.

A lot of people don't understand this, but hackers and computer programmers are one and the same. In order to learn to program, you learn how to hack. You learn to read code and understand how it works.

The problem is that, while Nexon's programmers are working on bug fixes, updates and other things besides countering current hacks, hackers are working on making hacks and nothing else. Also, there are far more hackers than there are programmers working at Nexon. It's not that far of a stretch to compare the programmers of Nexon as the spartans from 300 - completely outnumbered and combating what is essentially a losing battle.

Of course, this is coming from someone who stops and thinks about what the REAL world is like, as opposed to whining about one or two bugs not being fixed .001 seconds after it was discovered.[/quote]

I kind of agree in some way, but you're giving Nexon developers too much credit. They've simply not done a competent job at combating hacking and there's years of programming mistake after mistake proving this. How things continually get mishandled and/or ignored by Nexon is staggering. I'm not just saying this as someone who has played this game for years, but also as someone whose occupation is programming.

The blame also doesn't only fall on the developers' shoulders but also the management which give the developers orders. Management seems to be concerned more with the dollar than securing the game and years of degradation show this.

@SharkyMikey Thanks Mikey. Aura rocks <3.
@SilverFoxR Good point. I guess I was hoping more for hackers solely dedicated to finding the bugs and leaks rather than devs balancing multiple priorities. In an ideal situation, the hackers would find out about the exploits first hand and get rid of it before it gets exploited.

A simple google search will yield many active Maplestory hacking communities and if Nexon took more notice to these sites, perhaps some of the bigger exploits can be avoided. Then again, maybe they do take notice and prevent things from happening without the players knowing. But yeah, I'm afraid it is exactly as you pointed out in your analogy (the Spartans from 300-completely outnumbered) and I guess I was trying to find a solution that could work.

Yeah I was going to say. Some national banks while hire in people who JUST TRY TO GAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE BANK OR THE MAINFRAME.

When this happens a single person will enter the bank, and try his HARDEST to either gain access into the vault, or gain an employee's credentials, or even a server admin's so they can start to infiltrate the system. If they manage to gain access, they make a FULL detailed report on what needs to change and be fixed before they'll get audited or whatnot. They would do things like send out an email from the bank asking people to log-in to a fake domain to get their credentials stores in some SQL table or something.

Nexon could easily hire some people who would just attempt to do duping, exploiting, or ANYTHING in like PTS (Private Test Sever), or what have you, and then just report what they did and how they did it to a team that would fix it, and then start doing scheduled maintenance,

A lot of compagnies are actually doing this already
They come into contact with a hacker, and the hacker has to find out if he can get into the system or something, and if he can he must tell them, then a team of programmers will find out how to fix it.
You can actually be 'legit' hacker as a job..

They don't need Hackers, they need programmers who know how to do a better job.

[quote=SilverFoxR]To be absolutely blunt, Nexon [b]does[/b] hire hackers.

A lot of people don't understand this, but hackers and computer programmers are one and the same. In order to learn to program, you learn how to hack. You learn to read code and understand how it works.

The problem is that, while Nexon's programmers are working on bug fixes, updates and other things besides countering current hacks, hackers are working on making hacks and nothing else. Also, there are far more hackers than there are programmers working at Nexon. It's not that far of a stretch to compare the programmers of Nexon as the spartans from 300 - completely outnumbered and combating what is essentially a losing battle.

Of course, this is coming from someone who stops and thinks about what the REAL world is like, as opposed to whining about one or two bugs not being fixed .001 seconds after it was discovered.[/quote]

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To be absolutely blunt, Nexon [b]does[/b] hire hackers.

A lot of people don't understand this, but hackers and computer programmers are one and the same. In order to learn to program, you learn how to hack. You learn to read code and understand how it works.

The problem is that, while Nexon's programmers are working on bug fixes, updates and other things besides countering current hacks, hackers are working on making hacks and nothing else. Also, there are far more hackers than there are programmers working at Nexon. It's not that far of a stretch to compare the programmers of Nexon as the spartans from 300 - completely outnumbered and combating what is essentially a losing battle.

Of course, this is coming from someone who stops and thinks about what the REAL world is like, as opposed to whining about one or two bugs not being fixed .001 seconds after it was discovered.

@DJAlphaWolf You tell really good stuff man o:

Hackers run the game better than nexon, they might as well sell the company.

I know three people in Windia right now who have directly benefited over 100b+ from the last exploit. I will not mention their names. If we had hackers in Nexon, I bet this wouldn't happen.

@Puluti: Because KMS used to require korean ssn and now it requires mobile phone number. You lose your account, and that's it. No do-overs, no new accounts

it's a good idea, given that hacker is a half-decent person and Nexon can give him enough financial incentive to stay loyal.

Actually yeah. I'm pretty sure that's how KMS has remained relatively hack free.

I believe it's called cyber
Hacker vs hacker

Yeah because they making their game basically so why not hire them to make it better