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@Engage: ik its giong to be on 3ds thats why im soooooooo psyched about it!

@darksin1204 The argument was to stop people from crying over NX vs waste of cash, and that's what I did.

@Engage: Yes i agree its what you prefer. I prefer my PC over my other consoles. However, i just feel that you honestly made no impact whatsoever with your arguments. If you want "to end this discussion right now", at least create arguments that makes it a bit more interesting.

@MrPirate It is not, since it's going to be on 3DS.

@Darksin1204 It's all down to what you prefer, I prefer my console (Wii U currently) over my PC, because it appeals to me more than what the PC has to offer. The PC may have tons of games, but most of them are either underrated and good, or overrated and dry.

@riddek520 PC's are stronger than consoles, I'll say that, but Consoles give me more enjoyment. All down to your own personal judgement, you can't emulate 3DS and PsP's yet, their actually harder to emulate than other handhelds currently, which is odd.

@NoodleBrain Two are on emulators, besides SF4, which are played on CONSOLES. (Besides Divekick, which is wtf.) Steam's machine's, while they aren't considered consoles, the way they act, and what they are there to accomplish, are able to be considered and can even be called a "Mock-Console" believe it or not.

@krazyazn33 What I mean is, it's the only place to go to, to find any "good" PC games when you need them, how do you think games such as Amnesia and Team Fortress 2, Fuse and Half-Life became popular as they are? The creation of Steam. Steam is honestly all that's holding together the PC's gaming market, without steam, it would be pretty dry with World of Wurcruft taking over, yet again.

@calmkaiser Again, that's a different comparison. You NEED food / water to LIVE, why spend on it? Because your brain forces you to eat when it is hungry. Marriage is not mandatory, but children are. That way, you'll have something that's yours, and yours only.
Maplestory, is not mandatory, nor needed. As it's just a game to entertain you, I'd rather spend my money on a Casino, gambling to make more money, and spend that gained money on necessities, along with needs. Food, a house, a car, all of those things. Not even counting in the bills.

Why spend money on food? It's going to come out the other end, why get married and have kids? She/he might screw you over and take more than maple ever would, also you can't bring money to the afterlife so spend it and enjoy it while you can

@engage is ssb4's official name universe?

Lol, "to end this discussion right now" and "This is just my two cents" really contradict each other. The former implies that you have definite proof that proves your theory to no exception, while the latter states that its your opinion. Who died and made you god?

Honestly, I have the ps3, wii, 3DS, gamecube (hell yea old school), and I get bored of them within a year. With my PC, i've played hundreds of MMOs, MOBAs, RTS, sandbox games that I also get bored of within a year. However, I will come back to some games every few months, and I enjoy both consoles and PC. But, just the sheer number of games you can have on a PC is much more appealing to me. I've played maple for 7-8 years or so (on and off of course), and I dont regret a single cent I've put into it since I continue to play it. And the only part of console gaming that I personally find attractive over the PC is the fact that you can trade in old games for new ones.

[quote=Engage]@crazypoorer How will you lose them? You only lose them if you're irresponsible. They should always be in your room, where their game case should be located.

What can you do to stop from losing your game account? Whether it be hacks, banning or closure? Beg to the company?

@abi232 Well, it's all about which console you own, and what type of games you're looking for. Consoles can give you games PC's cannot.[/quote]

True, consoles can give you games that pc's can't but the games on pc are so much better due to the limitless options for modification/UCC. I personally own a ps3, ps4, xbox 360, xbox one and a wii u, in my honest opinion they were a complete waste of money on my part. When I decided to build my own pc I built it strong enough to emulate any current gen console games and I can play current gen console games on it. Anything you can find for console you can find a better version for the computer.

[quote=Engage]@PikeBishop Find a legit fighter on PC that's competitive.

@krazyazn33 Steam is going to be making a console, but again, steam is the only source of 'good' PC gaming.

@147258 Keep your "Specs" and constant graphics cards forking to yourself, Console superior race.[/quote]

1) King of Fighters, Street Fighter, DIVEKICK, Injustice, they're all here on PC.

2) Steam MachineS (yes, there is more than one, each with different specs) are small form factor PCs meant to be placed in the living room.

3) Denying the superior raw computing and graphics power potential of PCs, eh?

While yes, I do enjoy Nintendo and their games, every platform has its pros and cons, and, in the end, it's all preference.
Yes, while consoles and their games may physically last longer than a game like MapleStory would digitally live, are you going to pick up that same console and play games on it after eight years, and still constantly play on it? Unless you're a Melee professional player, the answer is likely to be no.

In this world, technology evolves too quickly for any piece of hardware to be considered permanently relevant.
New consoles are pumped out every few years, new architectures and technologies for pieces of computer hardware are pumped out at roughly the same rate, and new games are pumped out - some relatively quickly (Call of Duty) while some not at all (Volvo pls). Once you have your hands on a gaming device and some games, no matter what they are, eventually the grass will be greener on the other side of the fence.

@Engage Steambox is NOT a console, it "restreams" the game onto a TV. In fact, it's a computer (in a mini box) pre-built geared towards gaming! Just check out the specs yourself, you can easily build a gaming PC for cheaper.

And I don't get what you mean by "only source of 'good' PC gaming." It's literally a marketplace to buy games, lol.

@PikeBishop Find a legit fighter on PC that's competitive.

@krazyazn33 Steam is going to be making a console, but again, steam is the only source of 'good' PC gaming.

@147258 Keep your "Specs" and constant graphics cards forking to yourself, Console superior race.

Eh, I've pumped hundreds of dollars into my Steam library and there's very little concern for me losing my games/Steam shutting down. There's been some statistics floating around (On Reddit) comparing the price of a gaming PC + games being cheaper than buying a console and owning the same amount of games on the PC.
Also Steam sales are a godsend. <3

As for spending money on online games such as Maplestory, considering that I still played this game since its beta release, I've probably spent more hours on this game than any lol.

This discussion stinks anyways as everyone prefers different things and nothing is "better" than the other.

[quote=Engage]Consoles can give you games PC's cannot.[/quote]

5/10. I was legitimately worried that you were being serious until you used this phrase.

i smell a peasant
/r/pcmasterrace

I'm pretty sure I've gotten more hours and fun out of Maplestory than you have out of one of your console games. And I've spent less on Maple than a console + game costs. I've gotten bored of Maple now, and I don't regret spending money on it at all.

Even if Maple crashes and I lose <$1000 or whatever I've paid, I couldn't care less. I've already easily made that money back.
This is the worst argument, and it's brought up so much.

@HumpTehCrown Okay, say that when Smash Brothers 4, the most hyped and 2nd best fighter releases for the Wii U. Along with animal crossing, a popular Japanese console seller.

What we spend on our money is up to our decision, isn't it? We have some people building houses out of literal money but we have no say in it because it's their choice.

Do what the commercial on TV sings: "I'm playing blackjack online. I'm playing roulette online. I'm feeling like mogul winning jackpots on my mobile. I'm playing Caesar's online!" Real money only available to New Jersey residents. This will satisfy your urge to play online, spend lots of money, and get nothing back! As for consoles, they change almost every couple of years and end up taking more and more space. How often do you really play the old games you still have on older consoles?

@Engage: In that period of time the average mapler barely spends anything on maple. there is only a select few who decide they want to be a part of the elite and help expand and lengthen maplestorys future by supplying the company with funds. As for me the amount Iv'e spent on console games is about triple compared to what Iv'e spent on online games and the only online games I've played in my lifespan have showed no signs of shutting down. Maplestory 2 is a completely different game and not meant to be the end of Maplestory. It has been in development for quite a while and was even announced around 6 years ago. Maplestory 2 is an earlier version on mapelstorys history meant to peek a bit into the past since we are currently close to fighting the black mage and then dealing with the grandis issue.

Or I could do it all for freeeeeeeeeee!

@powerlad88 Ps3 / Wii / Xbox 360 lasted 5 - 6 Years each, one was 7 years, realize, in that amount of time, an average 'pro' mapler spends over 20K Dollars, while our consoles 5 - 7 years of gaming experience barely costed me over 400$ on just the games alone, maybe even 500.

@Psychopathic It has been out for a year, but there's a catch, it had a TERRIBLE launch I won't lie, but then it picked up the pace with some amazing games that wowed people, just wait until super smash brothers 4's release in a few months, the Wii U's sales will skyrocket, as that's the competitive fighter of the Wii U.

And that rumor has been debunked to be false, via twitter conversation.

Xbox One is ALREADY BEHIND by too much to even catch up to the Wii U.

Also add in, Nintendo is the most popular in Japan, followed by Sony's PS4, Xbox is despised in Japan.

With the Japanese there to support Nintendo, and being big fans of Animal Crossing / Super Smash Brothers.
When Animal Crossing U comes out later this year too, we won't have to worry about the Wii U anymore, I foresee the future of the Wii U doing fantastic.

[quote=Engage]@Psycohpathic [url=http://www.vgchartz.com/] Check the chart on the main page, and then realize. [/url] These are real time statistics, none of that article stuff.[/quote]

When was the Wii U released? Oh, right. Over a year ago.
Take a look at this chart. http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251476/ps4-vs-xbox-one-vs-wii-u-global-launch-sales-comparison/
Just give it a month or so for more games to come out and the PS4/Xbox One will have destroyed the Wii U. I mean, the PS4 is almost there.

The Wii U is doing horribly, there are already rumours of a new console.

@Engage yes but in every few years a new console will come out for an even higher price tantalizing you to buy it. for example a child who got a ps1 for his birthday and thats theonly console system he has. what if he wants a new game? he wouldnt be able to play it on a ps1 at all. requiring you to constantly buy new consoles for the updates to the games every few years is also a constant expense. And to choose between the two is up to the player and his/her personal feelins. monetary reasons or inequitable values mean nothing to them.

@powerlad88 Realize, you need "specs" and what not for a good computer to run the GOOD games, while when I buy a console, it's already optimized for me to play the games created for it.

@engage companies close because they canoot pull in enough money to keep it running and in contrast to the average amount of mone yspent between pc/consoleconsole is price much higher. and the fact that every game eventually comes out cheaply on steam for pc which can be played on relatively most pcs wiht good graphics cards. You play a game for the fun. whether paying for it helps that fun grow or not ist your choice. Whenever i make a good purchase with mesos I feel really good about myself. But when I make a purchase at walmart for a new game for like 60 bucks I feel cheated and my wallet feels lighter. So now I travel with 20 dollars on average to stop that kind of purchases.

@Psycohpathic [url=http://www.vgchartz.com/] Check the chart on the main page, and then realize. [/url] These are real time statistics, none of that article stuff.

[quote=Engage]@Psychopathic It's outselling the PS4 and Xbox One currently. What?[/quote]

Are you sure about that?
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/next-gen-so-far-ps4-beats-wii-u-lifetime-sales-in-48-hours
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251473/ps4-vs-xbox-one-vs-wii-u-usa-launch-sales-comparison/
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-crushed-ps4-113149745.html

@Psychopathic It's outselling the PS4 and Xbox One currently. What?

It has Super Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, Smash brothers 4 (will increase sells a lot), Mario Kart 8 (Also increasing sells), Yarn Yoshi, Bayonetta 2, Tekken Tag 2 (complete edition for Wii U only), The Wonderful 101 (Makers of viewtiful Joe!) New Super Mario Bros U / Luigi U, Donkey Kong:Tropical Freeze, some of the BEST INDIE GAMES EVER MADE, Hyrule Warriors (not official name, but look at the trailer of it), Zelda U (when it comes, it'll blow up our minds.), Wind Waker HD, and so many more great games of this generation!

[quote=powerlad88]Actually gaming some console companies have crashed instantly. have you heard of the ouya system? and the price of the console+ every game+ online far exceeds what you'll be spending on an online game. as well as the fact that console games can become boring to the point where noone plays it anymore the same as online games being shut down. so you either spend money or don't as one day it will all be meaningless but that day is not now.[/quote]

Just inputting my opinion on your post. Solely on the whole "Online games is far less than console +games". This is far from the truth. I've spent (and i know far more who have done this as well) way more than I have ever spent on buying a LE Xbox 360/Ps3/Ps4 (Games included) in maple alone. Over the course of 7+ years in this game.

[quote=Engage]@Psychopathic Then you mustn't have the right games, it has some of the best game lineup currently, most of which can last you a great while.[/quote]

None of them interest me.
And the Wii U has the best lineup? Funny how it's selling so badly.

@Psychopathic Then you mustn't have the right games, it has some of the best game lineup currently, most of which can last you a great while.

[quote=Engage]
@Psychopathic The PS4 isn't relative to me, I just named it because it's what's the craze lately. Try out a Wii U, it's much better. I chose that over PS4 myself.[/quote]

I already have a Wii U, haven't turned it on in months.

@abi232 Well, glad to see we've come to an agreement. I never said Maple isn't worth it to me, so it's not to you. I said spending Cash on a game that can close down and not give you it back is not worth it. What if your game for your console happened to malfunction? It's not over, you can get it replaced, fixed, refunded for your cash back (all or half!), that's the major point.

But it's all up to your prospective.

@powerlad88 But think of all of the online game companies or online games themselves that closed unexpectedly for no reason. DFO, Talesrunner, C9, and more.
Yeah, Ouya may be expensive, but it's worth it in the end. And Online games get repetitive faster than console games, as Console Games have more space to actually be creative with their games, where Online games are limited in their space, to make the game size smaller and take up less space. Online games like MS are stuck to pressing 1 - 3 keys all the time to attack, while games like Tekken or Mortal Kombat have over 5 buttons.

Actually gaming some console companies have crashed instantly. have you heard of the ouya system? and the price of the console+ every game+ online far exceeds what you'll be spending on an online game. as well as the fact that console games can become boring to the point where noone plays it anymore the same as online games being shut down. so you either spend money or don't as one day it will all be meaningless but that day is not now.

@Engage: I think console games are also worth it, and I'm glad you enjoy those games, because they're really good. I just hope you've realized the mistake of saying "maple isn't worth it cause it's not worth it to me"

@crazypoorer No no, don't get sucked into the economy!

@MrPirate Still spent way less than the people who've spent over 10,000 Dollars on this game, something you could of used to buy a console, or become a game collector, have new consoles + every game out currently for them all.

@Engage: well i kinda exageratted the last five years ive spent about 50-100 bucks on dis game. i lost count

[quote=Decimeter13]If you lose them you're irresponsible as heck haha[/quote]

I'm not interested in the story of your life

@Kharmander When did I complain about money?

@AndyArcherX I thought you were off of the internet for the day, oh dear.

@MrPirate We need more people like this guy.

@abi232 Dark souls on PC? Mario on PC? (New gen), Zelda on PC? (new gen), Halo on PC? (New Gen), Mario Kart on PC? (New gen), as I said, you can't get anything that's new and popular with your PC. I'd take my fun online communities on my console over my repetitive PC online games most of the time. It's worth it to you, but not to me, as you said. Everything I spend money on, I DO need.

@fengx1998 So would you rather survive on eating wood and dirt, or survive on a van / carrying pack of cold lunch and lots to drink? I'd rather keep myself happy and safe, and mysterious and unsafe.

@Psychopathic The PS4 isn't relative to me, I just named it because it's what's the craze lately. Try out a Wii U, it's much better. I chose that over PS4 myself.

I don't know about you but I prefer PC games more.
I already bought a PS4 and all the games I've liked the look of but I find myself on my PC more often.

Implying that you cant survive on survival skills in the Forest

@engage "Consoles can give you games PC's cannot." Cant tell if srs
There's no point in even discussing if its worth it. Its not worth it to you, its worth it to me. Hell, I can count lots of moments in life ive spent money on things I didnt need. It was worth cause I enjoyed those times.

well i only spend about 50 bucks at most in the past 5 years

[quote=EatNow]Maple is a hack2win game anyways. You don't need to spend any money when there are free hacks available that allow you to solo CRA bosses, Emp, Hell gollux, get first place Dojo, etc without negative consequences from Nexon.

Ever wondered why RA equips are 100-200m each? Yeah, people are catching onto the free hacks.[/quote]
well the shared drop system certainly aided in the rapid deflation, but yes hackers do rule over this game.

@engage okay, people buy sports cars because they like the appeal of it. They're willing to pay hundreds of thousands more for the look and the image the car represents, not because they'll get to work faster. Or how about those fancy watches. People pay thousands for those because they enjoy the aforementioned ideas rather than just buying a cheap watch/using their phone. It's all about the entertainment value.

@godofturtles This point hasn't been brought up in quite a long time actually.

@xtripled That's different, you spend 60 - 70$ on that, people spend 1 - 3K Dollars on Maplestory.

@EatNow Maplestory itself is a dead game, gameplay wise, it's the same old thing, that's dried itself out. Which is why they're making a "2".

[quote=crazypoorer]So why don't we all just stop playing games and study/work 24/7 so there is no chance of losing anything we find fun.[/quote]

If you lose them you're irresponsible as heck haha

Maple is a hack2win game anyways. You don't need to spend any money when there are free hacks available that allow you to solo CRA bosses, Emp, Hell gollux, get first place Dojo, etc without negative consequences from Nexon.

Ever wondered why RA equips are 100-200m each? Yeah, people are catching onto the free hacks.

it's not a waste, if you get the entertainment value out of the money you spend. Then it's money well spent, no matter what happens. It's like paying to go sky diving/rock climbing, etc. The activity only lasts a couple hours but the memories last far longer.