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oh good! thx for the information guys. I'll stick to 3DS online and use whatever PKMN I want!

i loooove using mega pinsir on pkmnshowdown. i use moxie for the regular pinsir and get an attack boost before mega evolving. or you can just use a SD. after one SD it can pretty much wreck errrrthing with return/frustration. and quick attack for priority. i never even used mega mawile.

[quote=GunsTheSparkle]@Avantar: Mawhile doesn't get stab from sucker punch. How horrifying would it be if it did though.
@Skyenets: Yeah, it's starts to get even more convoluted once you go below OU.

Now waiting for the Talonflame and Mega Pinsir ban.[/quote]

Oh wow I completely forgot I thought it was dark type for some reason. Maybe its because I was recently using a mega absol on my team

[quote=Skyenets]@Avatar: Mawile is slow. Without the sword's dance it can't one hit KO with sucker punch, meaning any faster fire type Pokemon/move can pretty much take it out. I've never had problems with Mawile. Besides that, outplaying sucker punch isn't that hard either.[/quote]
Sub Punch is also a thing, which I actually think is the reason for its banning. It's much harder to deal with than the traditional set since it absolutely destroys it main counter, Heatran.
As far as the Sucker Punch outplaying goes, it's just another 50/50 crapshoot. 50/50 plays are, in general, unhealthy. Reduces a game of skill to either of game of luck or a game of me out thinking you out thinking me out thinking you out thinking me.

Mega Pinsir 2fast2furious for me

I honestly have more problems with Mega Pinsir than Mawile.

At the end of the day, it does come down to biased choices. I like using fully defensive Swords Dance BP Megahorn Earthquake Scolipede and I ALWAYS have Will-O-Wisp support. Mawile is no problem for me. Mega Pinsir on the other hand is problematic because I like using Scolipede.

And majority of Smogon likes to use the usual choices(Excadrill, Landorus, Heatran, Tyranitar, Azumarill, etc, etc, etc.) with a couple obscurities sometimes like the ever popular Hawlucha. It's basically the reason Mawilite in banned because nothing can switch into an attack.

@Avantar: Mawhile doesn't get stab from sucker punch. How horrifying would it be if it did though.
@Skyenets: Yeah, it's starts to get even more convoluted once you go below OU.

Now waiting for the Talonflame and Mega Pinsir ban.

Smogon** is a website that has added many rules to Competitive Pokemon Battling, and they also ban Pokemon that are considered "over-powered" such as Mega Mawile and Mega Kangaskhan, which they are. I mean Fake Out when you Mega for priority, Power-Up Punch when you've Mega'd is a Swords Dance that does a little damage, and then BAM! Begin to sweep with your choice of moves (Drain Punch, Earthquake, Elemental Punch of some kind, etc.)

[quote=Skyenets]@Avatar: Mawile is slow. Without the sword's dance it can't one hit KO with sucker punch, meaning any faster fire type Pokemon/move can pretty much take it out. I've never had problems with Mawile. Besides that, outplaying sucker punch isn't that hard either.[/quote]

1v1 yea it can be easy to take it out but considering an average player is not going to be so careless with a strong pokemon they will have other pokemon to absorb incoming fire attacks. Mawile is so strong that it has an easy time switching out and still maintaining momentum. Without swords dance it still has 200 base attack and a priority which makes it an awfully strong late game sweeper. Why wont people just admit that mawile is too strong. Its not like ubers is a place for invincible pokemon that 1 hit everything. I think smogon has some valid points when they ban things. for example they banned drizzle and swift swim which was in a way recognized by Nintendo by restricting rain to 5-8 turns from abilities.

Mawile has always been easy for me to deal with, its too over reliant on sucker punch. Pinsir on the other hand, that thing is scary after swords dance.

@Avatar: Mawile is slow. Without the sword's dance it can't one hit KO with sucker punch, meaning any faster fire type Pokemon/move can pretty much take it out. I've never had problems with Mawile. Besides that, outplaying sucker punch isn't that hard either.

[quote=Skyenets]

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I think Smogon just really doesn't know how to handle Megas as opposed to all other Pokemon.[/quote]

Mega mawile has 105 base attack with huge power its like having 210 base attack and it gets swords dance. After a swords dance it has 339*2*2 attack and it gets a priority move with STAB. How do you handle that without having a pokemon on your team specifically designed to counter mawile? Also I believe it can 2 hit every pokemon after one swords dance too.

They might as well ban every mega...

So Pinsir wrecks everything now. Might as well ban OU.

@Skyenets
I think megas pose a big problem for Smogon because they add so much uncertainty to the game.
Like how people used to hate Lucario in B/W era because it could be special or physical and until you knew you had no way of knowing how to stop it.
Megas pose the same problem, because a person can run a team of 6 potential mega's and have their opponent worrying about which one is the actual mega. And there is also the point of some being blatantly OP like mega gengar.

I think the main reason Mawileite got banned is because it is hard to counter, M-Mawile can 2hko the whole of OU, and in most cases it came down to your opponent outplaying you and making you waste sucker punches as to when it would die.

I feel like smogon should just ban all mega's or run restrictions on the movesets rather then banning them one at a time.

Smogon is a community for competitive Pokemon battling. They have implemented a lot more rules than the actual game has. Some rules are really well thought through like sleep clause (Not being allowed to put more than one Pokemon to sleep), though they tend to ban a lot of Pokemon because they're supposedly OP.

If you play through Wifi on your 3DS, then there's no problem. Smogon has no influence on the actual game. All your beloved OP are still in tact there.

[quote=GunsTheSparkle]It's only OP now because they've already banned everything that was more threatening than it.[/quote]

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I think Smogon just really doesn't know how to handle Megas as opposed to all other Pokemon.

It's only OP now because they've already banned everything that was more threatening than it.

Mawile wasn't banned. Its Mega Stone is.

It's OP as hell, according to smogon.
You do you, but keep in mind that Mawile is ridiculous. (Personally, I voted for it to stay, but hey. Boys will be boys.)

don't listen to smogon man. they can't tell you what you can or can't use!

it's banned on the smogon site. if you don't use smogon, it doesn't matter to you