maplestory bosses are crap
not sure if this is just me but i feel like bosses in maplestory dont mean anything.
In the past bosses actually meant something like zakums hat drops, HT skill books etc.
Today the only boss that actually drops something is empress i'm guessing.
I feel like Nexons definition of hard is impossible, i mean seriously what kind of game has a boss that cant be killed... like hard magnus.
Normal magnus is already really hard but it doesnt yeild crap.
The point is what is the point of bosses in maplestory?
This is just me ranting on how silly bosses in maple is. I feel like nexon needs to add some sort of reward for defeating bosses.
July 22, 2013
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Magnus would be much more-doable for us, if we had the version KMS does where he attacks slower (specifically his green clones); We might get that change sometime soon though since if we assume NOTHING changes for our bosses by then, we get easy mode bosses in a few patches. RED will also make it easier to beat certain bosses, I watched a party of adventurers in KMS doing nothing but 1m per hit beat Hard Magnus.
[quote=Rimkii] add decent rewards to EVERY big boss not just zakum, pb etc.[/quote]
This is another one of those things that gets fixed with RED, Specifically the 3rd part.
[quote=McAwesomesauce]"As long as it's free, it's okay for it to be terrible."
"Everyone is responsible for asking for every change and subsequently enjoying it"[/quote]
I'd like to see you go out and make a free game like this and try not making money off it. thats why things are based of NX now.
[quote=chudi]@iCodykins: wether its chaos or normal its still pb[/quote]
Big difference between the two. Pink Bean gives crap drops, Chaos Pink Bean gives good drops.
I honestly would love it if the Pre quests for bosses were gone now because for bosses such as Zakum which we have established is horrible now, I think that the work to fight them is not worth it now.
[quote=Kazzooey]I agree to some extent. Most bosses have good items they drop such as Wabr, Dabr, ect. The goal is to keep hunting them until you find it, then the bosses become worthwhile. Not only that they offer a substantial amount of Exp, which is another reason you should hunt them (except for a few such as VL).
I think this would fix it:
-Allow bosses to drop coins or something that you can redeem for items and equips such as boss-related items (e.g. Czak Helm/HTP and items like HTP Eggs that massively upgrade the stats) AND let them redeem coins for other usables such as class-specific mastery books or skillbooks.
-Make all these boss specific equips to be tradeable until equipped. (VL Equips would be so much better if they were like that)
-Allow Reverse/Timeless/Abyss/Fearless/Agares to be traded freely without ANY restrictions.
-Give Drop Rate buffs for each member in your party
-Allow Exp to NOT be cut for each party member and give everyone full exp rates
I think that would really spice things up for bossing without killing the economy[/quote]
That coin idea of yours already exists: Crusader coins. It's just that the shop isn't really worth it >.<...
The exp not being cut for each party member would be a really bad idea. Consider all the leeching? Taking your friends with minimum requirements along just to let them poke the boss for MASSIVE exp. Nexon would never allow that XD...
I think part of the problem is that these bosses have not been updated in eternity along with mixed damage formulas from explorers+KMS type formulas (magnus) as an example of everything being impossible to kill or way too easy to kill. I agree that making magnus or empress impossible to kill right now was a VERY stupid move. they need to update the bosses seriously, add decent rewards to EVERY big boss not just zakum, pb etc. and add some actual strategy
[quote=Kazzooey]I agree to some extent. Most bosses have good items they drop such as Wabr, Dabr, ect. The goal is to keep hunting them until you find it, then the bosses become worthwhile. Not only that they offer a substantial amount of Exp, which is another reason you should hunt them (except for a few such as VL).
I think this would fix it:
-Allow bosses to drop coins or something that you can redeem for items and equips such as boss-related items (e.g. Czak Helm/HTP and items like HTP Eggs that massively upgrade the stats) AND let them redeem coins for other usables such as class-specific mastery books or skillbooks.
-Make all these boss specific equips to be tradeable until equipped. (VL Equips would be so much better if they were like that)
-Allow Reverse/Timeless/Abyss/Fearless/Agares to be traded freely without ANY restrictions.
-Give Drop Rate buffs for each member in your party
-Allow Exp to NOT be cut for each party member and give everyone full exp rates
I think that would really spice things up for bossing without killing the economy[/quote]
the coin idea is a good idea, as long as if the rewards isnt something like 10000 zakum for advance equip enhancement.
Right now i dont even see the point of upgrading equips for the purpose of bosses if they dont even give you anything in return
@rZeetry: I love your answer.
[quote=chudi]The boss in showa is still hard, if you dont have all cures or elixers
Pb is hard if you dont have a coordinated team if crashers
Von leon is hard if you have no idea what your doing[/quote]
That is not a good reason, but yes the boss will be harder to beat if you don't have any all cures. It is more like fighting a boss [b]unprepared[/b].
[quote=MostUnique]You guys just get what you ask for. You asked for easy leveling? Big Bang. You asked for less OP classes? Now everything is based off of rich people. You asked for harder leveling because it was easy? Unleashed came out. Now you ask for stronger monsters with better equips? You are just taking Nexon in a big circle. New people come in and complain because of their bias off the pros. You guys need to learn to not take things for granted and enjoy what you have. Besides, it is a [i]free[/i] game...[/quote]
"As long as it's free, it's okay for it to be terrible."
"Everyone is responsible for asking for every change and subsequently enjoying it"
@wingless666 i wish neb boxes still dropped like maple leaves <3 i remember when I had so many that I was dropping them around in Leafre to make inventory space
[quote=Preloved]It used to be one of the hardest.[/quote]
It used to be the hardest when zakum was the only real boss out there
@MostUnique:
Well to be fair usually multiple mmbs are dropped and for some people, they boss for mastery books and
boss items(CZAK,htp,loveless), if anything you could always loot everything and resell it. Also traits come
into play when talking about bosses. Ambition and charm(if you like free emotes) are useful and can be obtained
from bossing. I do agree that nexon lately has been giving people chances to get stronger(attendance/rings/hot times/marvel)
But normal upgrading doesn't help much against the bosses that really matter(cygnus/CPB/CZAK*/CHT).At least that is
how I feel about the whole matter. My biggest issue was that we didn't get additional options because we had bonus potentials
and nebulite, which is crazy. Considering neb boxes have a horrid drop rate and bonus pots are problematic if you need one
on a personal item. Also the latter requires nx if you want a decent potential. </3
They also need to make the exp better for the harder bosses.
@Preloved: I know. I'm a fellow mapler since the dawn of age.
I agree to some extent. Most bosses have good items they drop such as Wabr, Dabr, ect. The goal is to keep hunting them until you find it, then the bosses become worthwhile. Not only that they offer a substantial amount of Exp, which is another reason you should hunt them (except for a few such as VL).
I think this would fix it:
-Allow bosses to drop coins or something that you can redeem for items and equips such as boss-related items (e.g. Czak Helm/HTP and items like HTP Eggs that massively upgrade the stats) AND let them redeem coins for other usables such as class-specific mastery books or skillbooks.
-Make all these boss specific equips to be tradeable until equipped. (VL Equips would be so much better if they were like that)
-Allow Reverse/Timeless/Abyss/Fearless/Agares to be traded freely without ANY restrictions.
-Give Drop Rate buffs for each member in your party
-Allow Exp to NOT be cut for each party member and give everyone full exp rates
I think that would really spice things up for bossing without killing the economy
[quote=wingless666]Well bosses do drop mmb
which are somewhat useful.
But mostly, the best items are
reserved to gachapon, marvel, and
other nx events. But I do agree kinda kills
its for those low level bosses who give rewards
that aren't any good. But they will have to do something
about the bosses sooner or later because Dojo was worth it and they messed that up >.<[/quote]
1 MMB isn't worth a waste of 300+ Pots. Nexon is assuming we want bosses for EXP, not equips. That's why they brought back marvel then took it away. You just have to find the little opening chance to get stronger, and take it. Like the beryl hearts- easy to scroll and could help you gain attack MASSIVELY. And they came free from a giftbox
The only thing that was decent were the dojo gloves ... and actaully helped the middle funded people increase their range easily and they took that away also.
So basically the lesser funded would have to have to buy NX for meso since obviously none of the lower tier bosses drop anything worthy of selling..
You guys just get what you ask for. You asked for easy leveling? Big Bang. You asked for less OP classes? Now everything is based off of rich people. You asked for harder leveling because it was easy? Unleashed came out. Now you ask for stronger monsters with better equips? You are just taking Nexon in a big circle. New people come in and complain because of their bias off the pros. You guys need to learn to not take things for granted and enjoy what you have. Besides, it is a [i]free[/i] game...
Well bosses do drop mmb
which are somewhat useful.
But mostly, the best items are
reserved to gachapon, marvel, and
other nx events. But I do agree kinda kills
its for those low level bosses who give rewards
that aren't any good. But they will have to do something
about the bosses sooner or later because Dojo was worth it and they messed that up >.<
@iCodykins: wether its chaos or normal its still pb
Yea, I agree. I find no real thrill in bossing when the rewards are crap. And the ones that have good rewards are nearly impossible for me to kill post unleashed. And i'm not saying solo, i'm saying with a full party of my friends. You need to spend hundreds, or maybe even thousands of dollars to be able to kill empress.
EDIT: And by rewards, I mean anything from items to mastery books, to even just giving lots of exp. That's why I BGA a lot, it gives a good amount of exp which I consider a good reward, while a lot of other bosses don't give much exp at all fro the level you need to be to kill them.
I agree also.
There is no point in even bossing except for like Empress, Magnus and MAYBE Chaos PB.
Basically my exact sentiments ...
The only way to make money is to either buy NX to sell gacha, nx, marvel or "merch".
the kalphite queen from runescape is one of the most fun and rewarding bosses i've ever played against, because its difficulty stemmed from strategy and its rewards used to be some of the best ever
bosses should feel rewarding to beat and not a spamfest where beating the boss is determined by how much damage you can spew, and the only challenge is to pot at the right time; they have too much fake difficulty
[quote=chudi]@bestwishes: pb has loveless, te other 2 are just feats of accomplishment[/quote]
That's Chaos PB, not PB. Big difference!
@bestwishes: pb has loveless, te other 2 are just feats of accomplishment
Normal Magnus gives access to Nova equips. Root abyss is locked temp.
But I agree. I have yet to fight Chaos Zakum, All Horntails, All Pink Beans, etc purely because I don't find defeating garbage reward bosses entertaining.
[quote=chudi]The boss in showa is still hard, if you dont have all cures or elixers
Pb is hard if you dont have a coordinated team if crashers
Von leon is hard if you have no idea what your doing[/quote]
Except their drops aren't worth anything so there is no point in doing them
What about Balrog?
The boss in showa is still hard, if you dont have all cures or elixers
Pb is hard if you dont have a coordinated team if crashers
Von leon is hard if you have no idea what your doing
It's not that Magnus is mean't to be immortal, rather it's not possible to fight right now at our current state. Our damage formula is just not viable unlike the KMS version.
Pretty much true.
[quote=HairyCreatures]There are much more harder bosses than you think. Zakum is one of the easiest.[/quote]
yes i know zakum is easy, but the point is bosses in maple have no meaning if they dont yield any form of reward.
There are much more harder bosses than you think. Zakum is one of the easiest.