Tried out all the thief classes
I was first a Shad, then a Night Lord, into a Dual Blade. Let me simplify about my experience between the three classes.
Shadower hit the hardest out of all the three with minimal funds, but the time it took to cast the attacks made me feel frustrated.
Night Lord hit around half the damage i did with a shadower, but felt more quick and smoother in response.
Dual Blade hit around the same as a Night Lord, but felt a bit faster and saw more lines.
Shadower-> Slow, but hits hard
Night Lord-> Average speed, Average damage. (Boring with holding down main skill)
Dual Blade-> (Seems) Fast, Lots of continuous lines, Average damage.
[Keep in Mind] All skills were maxed, [excluding hypers] and only with clean CRA sets.
As for the claw i wielded a fafnir 127 attk [15%pdr neb]
As for the dagger i used a 200 attk fafnir damascus [15%pdr neb]
[Dragon Khanjar] 17 attk [30%pdr]
[Katara] Vip Katara 110 attk [15%pdr]
[NL 2ndary] [30% pdr]
Night Lord i had around 80k buffed
Shadower I had 90k buffed
Dual Blade I had around 70k buffed
Other posts had said with maximum funds
1.Shadower
2.Dual Blade
3.Night Lord
As of now, I'm staying as a Dual Blade and i have to say its been by far the most fun out of all three classes.
If you're making a Thief Class id recommend the following:
Low Funds-> Shad->Night Lord-> Dual Blade
High Funds-> Shad->Dual Blade-> Night Lord
Fun Play Style -> Dual Blade->Night Lord-> Shadower
I hope this helped out at least a little to the people out there having trouble making up their minds!
*Edit: Sorry i cut it off at the middle, my internet disconnected
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@ItzATrapp I did state the second thread was outdated. However, I realized that MC may be slower than PB now, which is why everytime I mention MC, I INCLUDE ME as part of the setup.
[quote=Hydraxide]@kukuyi I'm still right, PB is slower than ME and MC. And how does that even make sense? PB hits faster but less hits per completion. I think it comes to about 130ms for PB and 127 for MC. And when I said that what he said was false, I was referring to his statement that "DBs have the most potential" out of the thieves.
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2832067/1#comments_list]This is a recent calculation of ME's attack speed[/url]
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2427086/3#comments_list]May or may not be outdated, should still be a good reference[/url][/quote]
Phantom Blow is faster and has more hits than Midnight Carnival. The thread you posted is from 2012, when Midnight Carnival and PB were about even in terms of hits per second. Someone in the thread posted calculations that MC has 3 more hits compared to PB per minute.
However, PB's attack speed has increased, so it is faster than MC now, and has more hits. And I don't think that old thread even accounts for PBs hyper which adds an extra 1.7 hits.
Although I would agree that ME is faster than PB, but require set-up. I have no idea how long that set-up takes because I haven't played Shad.
I would say this is about right i have all 3
The one i find more fun would be my db
I hate shadowers because the attacks are so slow even
NL is close to a db but i don't know seems like my db doesn't die as easy
I would say my phantom is number 1 but thats just because its my main and is way higher lvl/funded then the others so everything just seems... better?
That would most likely change if i could test the other 3 at the same level/funds (db or NL would prob win again)
@kukuyi I'm still right, PB is slower than ME and MC. And how does that even make sense? PB hits faster but less hits per completion. I think it comes to about 130ms for PB and 127 for MC. And when I said that what he said was false, I was referring to his statement that "DBs have the most potential" out of the thieves.
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2832067/1#comments_list]This is a recent calculation of ME's attack speed[/url]
[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2427086/3#comments_list]May or may not be outdated, should still be a good reference[/url]
@hydraxide we talking about atk speed here, not about about damage. And do you know MC needs 80mil per line to match up to DB's PB 50mil per line for damage output? Theres not point arguing about shad vs db damage, if u have less than 1mil range shad>db, 1mil-6mil range DB>Shad, after that Shad > DB.
@PhreshPrynce @kukuyi [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJvsN5GVyjo]Yeah I'm trolling real hard, try reading the other posts about this before talking smack[/url]
yes theres a video of a shad capping with meso explosion/midnight carnival somewhere, look on youtube
@hydraxide are you trolling? MC and ME faster than PB? What are u on about
@Hydraxide: im just going to assume you are obviously trolling and not take the bait.
@SUREs It doesn't, but ME has the most hits per second along with MC. PB is slower than both, and because they're shad moves, they're also capped at 110m instead of 55m. I meant to say highest damaging class, because they're the fastest. My mistake.
[quote=Hydraxide]This is also false. Shads are the fastest hitting class in the game bar none provided you cap with ME or MC.[/quote]
Capping with ME or MC doesn't have anything to do with attacking faster
[quote=PhreshPrynce]This is false. Firstly, nls have higher range than dbs easily. With low funds and low funds only, the nl would be much stronger. But with funds considered? Dbs are the strongest of the 3 simply due to the fact that they have more hps than the other 2 thieves. Of course it isnt easy to do though. Dbs have their flaws however but when talking about which of the 3 thieves have the most potential, it's db even though being a close ranged class does have its setbacks.[/quote]
This is also false. Shads are the fastest hitting class in the game bar none provided you cap with ME or MC.
70k on a db mustve been pretty poor damage. I hit 1.2m~1.5m lines with 220k and final cut
[quote=MrSinDeath19]This post is so naive I can't even begin to correct it. NL may have lower range, but will out-DPS the other 2 easily. With both low and high funds the NL will be superior, that's why you see a TON of late game bossers as NL.[/quote]
This is false. Firstly, nls have higher range than dbs easily. With low funds and low funds only, the nl would be much stronger. But with funds considered? Dbs are the strongest of the 3 simply due to the fact that they have more hps than the other 2 thieves. Of course it isnt easy to do though. Dbs have their flaws however but when talking about which of the 3 thieves have the most potential, it's db even though being a close ranged class does have its setbacks.
[quote=MrSinDeath19]This post is so naive I can't even begin to correct it. NL may have lower range, but will out-DPS the other 2 easily. With both low and high funds the NL will be superior, that's why you see a TON of late game bossers as NL.[/quote]
Like i stated, this is just a simplified version for mostly unfunded players who are indecisive on which thief class to play [explorers]
@PhreshPrynce: Well with nl there are so many ways to kill a monster especially when grinding. For bossing you got triple throw and (insert hyper skill here). all db does is well.. slash stuff.
you didn't play all thiefs, your'e missing phantom
This post is so naive I can't even begin to correct it. NL may have lower range, but will out-DPS the other 2 easily. With both low and high funds the NL will be superior, that's why you see a TON of late game bossers as NL.
[quote=LitheMovement]Isn't spamming one skill (your description of NLs) mostly what dual blades do as well? If you gotta hit something on a higher platform they'll just spam blade ascension, if they gotta hit on the same platform, they'll use blade fury and flash jump around. Solo is phantom blow. You have the option of using the movement attacks like tornado spin, but you could use relatively inferior skills on a NL as well.
I always wondered how people could actually say Dual Blades are more fun than other classes since the gameplay between classes has been homogenized and consequently sucks so hard.[/quote]
Well with db there are so many ways to kill a monster especially when grinding. For bossing u got pb and asura, all nl does is well.. throw stars.
Isn't spamming one skill (your description of NLs) mostly what dual blades do as well? If you gotta hit something on a higher platform they'll just spam blade ascension, if they gotta hit on the same platform, they'll use blade fury and flash jump around. Solo is phantom blow. You have the option of using the movement attacks like tornado spin, but you could use relatively inferior skills on a NL as well.
I always wondered how people could actually say Dual Blades are more fun than other classes since the gameplay between classes has been homogenized and consequently sucks so hard.
[quote=cesaralbo0]how much you hit in the DB with 70K range?[/quote]
low. if you dont have buff duration your range will be terrible. i have over 160k range, and i dont even hit 1m un final cut buff.
dude, I get it now. the meaning of life is
how much you hit in the DB with 70K range?
Mmm i guess you are right, if you hit Cap Damage with Meso explosion and/or Midnight Carnival a shadower is better since its got a lot of lines per sec. The one thing i do hate of shads its that they have like 5-7 buffs that you constantly have to keep up, other than that a combo of Pickpocket + Meso Explosion + Assasinate works well (Each coin damage increase body count by 1, so you can probably get 2 1.5x assasinate with one meso explosion)
yeah you are right. i also played all 3 classes, 2 of which i job changed, one i made a brand new character, and i agree with ya.
Define high funds? In maplestory there are multiple plateues of funding levels. High funded, really high funded, nx high funded, godly funded. It just goes on.
For fun play style I would rank shad second. NL is just flashy and eye candy really.
I have a 170+ nl and I recently job changed from shad to db on my main, I can confirm that these information are all quite accurate. People will find this helpful
i don't really see the point of
did you just give up halfway through your
did you get cut off or did you