Better to farm with a Kanna or Lumi?
The training abilities at higher levels are kind of bleh for both classes so I'm not as concerned about damage/DPS as I am with ability to farm drops during events, etc, so here's what I understand about both classes.
[b]Lumis:[/b] Doesn't need to move, hits the entire map if map is small, sit + spam.
[b]Kannas:[/b] Increase spawn rate, 60% chance to increase drops by 30% (so 18% chance increase in drops, afaik), and has auto attack with Blackhearted Curse (300k range at 500% dmg, pretty much wipes anything I'm farming at) which activates said 18% drop rate increase from Monkey Spirits.
My issue picking between the two is that very few maps are really just flat anymore so Kanna will have to move around more often whereas Luminous wouldn't need to until it's time to pick everything up around the map, but can't get as many monsters to die given the same period of time... does this pretty much sum it all up or is there anything I'm missing that I should take into consideration before picking a class to farm things with?
Otherwise, since I'll pretty much be able to OHKO lower level mobs, should I just go with an NL as they've got stars flying out everywhere and for the mobs they do hit with Showdown, they get %drop increase?
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@loxiona hey lol sorry for the delayed response, my computer kind of died on me for a long time.
mm I guess it's not about a flat map as much as it is about killing the monsters fast enough with Blackhearted Curse. If I can, then it doesn't really matter at all... I can just walk around and let the aura do its job. Problem is, I can't kill fast enough. I can dish out a good 2m or so but for farming at higher levels, idk if it'll work so well. I'm hoping to increase my overall stats to ~500k range buffed and I should be good to go wherever I try and grind for drops and whatnot. TBH I kind of don't want to keep dumping funds into different characters so I'll probably be sticking with my Kanna. Lumis are great at mobbing for lower levels but, like Demon Slayers, their speed in attacking and their low lines is what really kills it for me
thanks for everyone's input! :]
@hangwithhung Kannas don't mob with vanquishers when farming, unless you're absolutely unfunded.
Kannas don't need super flat maps. They work well in small dense maps, better than lumis. For events I used to farm at the first mutant mushroom map, and I wouldn't use a single attack to farm. I'd just set kishin on the bottom, and sit on the top platform with blackhearted curse. Practically wiped nearly everything out as they spawned on the 3 platforms + bottom, something a lumi could not do since reflection has a limit of 8 monsters or so. Even if a lumi could hit all the mobs in the map like the kanna, they still will suffer from a slower spawn rate and less mobs, and kannas would win anyways.
Even bigger maps its debatable who would be faster. Lumi's are going to ultimately suffer regardless from having a slower spawn rate and less mobs available.
Kannas Advantages for farming:
-Kishin can take a platform (hits 15x monsters + faster spawnrate and more monsters)
-Blackhearted curse (hits 15x monsters around you)
-Teleport (hits 15x monsters)
-tengu strike (hits 8x monsters and can hit multiple platforms)
-Spirit Corral(hits 10x monsters)
This is from a funded kanna's perspective, who can 1-hit nearly all regular mobs, and assumes that a lumi 1-hits all mobs as well.
You need funding to farm fast on a kanna. If you are not killing mobs in 1-hit, or can not fund to do so, then a lumi might be your best bet. With a lumi, you won't need the extra spawn or spawn rate, since your spending more time killing the mobs themselves.
@damian2o9: Ick, my laptop is i5-4200, CPU is 1.6 GHz (4 cores), 2.3GHz with 6 GB of ram. It probably can handle it, it's just... idk, i kind of want [i]one[/i] character to have everything on.
haha well i already have a big spider fam, a greed pendent, and 18% drop rate increase with Monkey Spirit from Kanna's skills. it's just that i'm not so sure a Lumi's attacking abilities can stack up with a Kanna's. Plus, if it's going to be my main, I'm going to have to be able to boss for drops eventually. And a Kanna's already got 18% more than I could get on a Lumi when it comes to bossing. Mobbing... Kishin should be able to increase the mob count and therefore the drop count, but only if I can kill mobs fast enough. I'm considering a Lumi, even after dumping a crapton of NX into my Kanna :[ Iunno. I'll have to see more about a Luminous' bossing capabilities. I took my Kanna on a few boss runs the other day and man, even though Kannas aren't the most mobile, bossing was a breeeze with two binds and +45% Boss dmg <3
@headphones: yeahh. I agree with the Lumi's godly versatility. But then again a Lumi could win out at a decent sized map with high mob count. Plus, multi plats. I can't really see a Kanna doing too well at high mobs, just because its main skills only hit up to 3 mobs and are horizontal... I mean, for events, where would be a good, dense map with monsters around my level that I could farm leaves with? I feel all monsters worth farming would be in areas with multi-plats. With Kanna it would HAVE to be in a really flat map. With Lumi, I couldn't care less where I went because I'd end up hitting everything. However, as a Kanna, I can still train decently well at SDH with low funds whereas Lumis would have to have really high funds to train efficiently, IIRC. I think I'd need like a 250k range to be able to 2 shot everything at SDH. Maybe 150k if I were to train everywhere else, I just don't know if it's as efficient. In any case I'm not planning on funding my Kanna anymore and I can hit around 1.5mil on... like an unlimited number of mobs with its 150 hyper skill. I hear Lumis are actually decent bossers with their range... plus they get to ignore PDR and elemental resistance while Kannas don't really have anything for bosses when it comes to PDR/MDR.
@hangwithhung
Anything that can be farmed will be overworked by bots. That's why I think farming for money isn't really a good idea, it's incredibly time consuming for little return. Bots ruin everything
As for general mobbing, Lumi wins since reflection is so versatile and works well in all maps. However I will say, in the case of a game event where ALL monsters will drop w/e item (ie maple leaves), then Kanna wins, because then you can choose your own map fitting for a Kanna's mobbing, and kishin is incredibly more helpful.
In your predicament, there is also a 3rd choice: Hiring a Kanna to kishin your maps.
[quote=hangwithhung]haha i would, i would... but i don't have two computers. buuuuuut I guess I cooould use VMware... Hmm. Might not be a bad idea. I might consider it.
But in the meantime, as I'm still trying to figure out where I can obtain some VMware and whether or not my computer can handle it, which one shud i go for assumming i can only support one char [/quote]
VMWare will offer you a 30 day trial. If you like it, it's worth the buy. What are your specs at?
Luminous is good for farming, it's what i use. Throw a spider familiar, a greed pendant and roll a 10% drop inner ability.
haha i would, i would... but i don't have two computers. buuuuuut I guess I cooould use VMware... Hmm. Might not be a bad idea. I might consider it.
But in the meantime, as I'm still trying to figure out where I can obtain some VMware and whether or not my computer can handle it, which one shud i go for assumming i can only support one char
well if you have 2 computers or other ways, you could always make one on a separate account and use both and have kanna cast Kishin and use Lumi to kill everything. if you want to go that route.
Why not both?
@QueenLorde: ahh sounds good. thank you!
@divineshin: well, another question i had was whether or not I would be able to make it very far farming... I went to Big Spiders before all the 2x events this weekend and managed to land 10 or so Big Spider familiars on my Kanna just walking around with Kishin on but Big Spider fams go for roughly 15m on my server. I'd have to sell loads to get any money. So I tried grinding at Mutant Ribbon Pigs as well as Mutant Snails for their familiars and I couldn't get a single one and I started noticing how difficult it was on a Kanna to cover a whole map. So despite Kishin and Monkey Spirit, I couldn't take them out fast enough and enough at a time to really make the grind worthwhile. Plus, all the expensive familiars come from mobs which are multi level/plat and a Kanna doesn't fare so well on those maps just because of their low range of reach and lack of a decently fast and reliable mobbing skill lol. So yeah...
If we're talking purely about farming I'd probably go with kanna.
@hangwithhung: Yes. Skythe and Ender are your equilibrium skills. (But you never really need Skythe because spectral light and reflection are such good mobbing skills).
So you have Light and Dark Mode. (You should mostly be in light mode because light skills are way better than dark skills).
You have to kill a few monsters to charge up your light/dark energy meter thing.
When you have enough energy, you can go into equilibrium mode.
After equilibrium ends, you are in the other mode.
Also, The hyper skill (equalize) allows you to be in equilibrium mode even without filling up your energy meter.
So when bossing, I usually do:
1. Light mode (Use either spectral light or reflection depending on boss)
2. Equalize hyper skill (you are in dark mode after it ends)
3. Equilibrium (back to light mode after it ends)
4. Wait for cooldowns and repeat
@QueenLorde: yeah, I'm seeing that equilibrium can be used for roughly 40 seconds... does this mean that the Scythe skill can be, too? and if you're not too busy, would you mind explaining how getting into that equilibrium mode works? thanks!
@hangwithhung: Lumis have low 1v1 dps, but they are actually pretty decent bossers due to bind, 100% heal skill, very large hitting range, and passive magic guard. (Probably best class for Gollux)
Ender is your main bossing attack, which can only be used when you are in equilibrium mode. (I have no idea on exact numbers, but it's probably around 20 seconds with 90 second cool down).
You also get a hyper skill which let's you be in equilibrium mode even longer.
How exactly does Ender work? and is it something spammable or do I have to wait for a while until it's spammable again?
Lumis and they are decent @ bossing with their bind. Ender is pretty good
lol @queenlorde i'll consider it. how's lumi in the bossing department?
Lumi