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I defended a map against a 120 BW so i dont think that a BW are good defending maps, I/L are better

@xDracius Flame gear + explosion, temporary loss in vision. Kind of wish I made my f/p a normal adventurer, and my chief bandit an ultimate one rather. ): But to be honest, after 4th job, there's no real killstealing anymore. It's pretty hard to 'protect an lhc map,' unless you can solo it. The party play zone is removed after jump, sure, but like nobody would be training anymore, after they compare lhc's exp to regular grinding, at least how most people would react.

There is absolutely no way that Flame Gears will EVER beat Poison Mist.
Except in looks perhaps.

Flame Gear cannot stack (There's a set distance where you have to cast the other), and has lower damage. It CAN however, blind a person looking at it.
Poison Mist can stack on top (Not stack damage), and has higher damage.

After Jump, this will be further reinforced with Extreme Magic and Mist Explosion.

I doubt that Fire/Poison Mages and Blaze Wizards are the best KSing class however. It's purely based on the person's control over the character. I do admit though, that a Fire/Poison Mage with a great amount of control is formidable .

@Eviscerator I have an i/l, bishop, f/p, blaze wizard, battlemage and evan. That's only 6. PROBLEM? :[

@AllergicRyu Ah. She was probably just unaware of how they're similar probably, I guess. I mean, when you're at populated maps, all you really see are dual blades, mechanics, some cygnus knights, the bandwagon i/l for adventurer ring, or some type of bowman.

I don't see how it's 'killstealing,' when you were at the map first. In fact, they'd be considered the killstealer.
The thread starter acted like how the average person would've, the guy was just really rude. Sure, he could've handled it nicely, by asking him to change channels because he was preferring to solo, but most people would've been ticked off at 'hi, take top or bottom, this is my map now.'

@AntiPure Yeah, gear does suck. But in a map like MP3 is determined by control, for most classes at least. Dawn warriors have tried killstealing my blaze wizard before (when they had soul driver of course), but all of them had failed, and I only use fire strike.

@tommay92 Blink is so inconsistent. Honestly, it's one of the worst skills you could use when being killstealed/killstealing. Especially at a map like MP3, where the mobs are focused on the center of the map. You could go all the way to the ends of the map with it, or even just like a teleport-distance.

@DoctorBeaver I rarely use mist, unless I'm really that lazy and there's a killstealer. As long as you like 2hit them with explosion, you're fine. Actually, I went explosion first if I recall.

@AllergicRyu If you really think mist is that great of a skill, you're wrong. Most classes have high movement, and can kill fast. On my battlemage, I was able to 1hit mobs, 2 with dark chains, using yellow aura (increased speed). I have an f/p if you're wondering.

@larryd23: Finally some one with some common knowledge Thankyou! That really is refreshing. I was surprised all the people sticking up for that dude. o.e

[quote=hirrho]So if a 146 DB comes in your map and says top or bottom, there not gonna be a jerk and I can tottaly look like the good guy while the other person gets shuned for having the straw breck the camel's back? <3[/quote]
I'm not sure what you are trying to say but if are asking if the guy who says top or bottom is a jerk I would say that the probably are. But that doesn't mean that I have to be a jerk as well.

[quote=larryd23]You were wrong and so was the other person.

The other person could have been more polite. Or they may simply have limited English skills. We'll never know.

You, however, could have been much more polite. You didn't like the way the other person spoke to you and immediately went into KS mode. I suspect if you hadn't chosen a build a DW you would have behaved better. I guess that's why you chose the DW.[/quote]

So if a 146 DB comes in your map and says top or bottom, there not gonna be a jerk and I can tottaly look like the good guy while the other person gets shuned for having the straw breck the camel's back? <3

Silly blaze wizard, have you forgot that mist stacks with Flame Gear [i]and does more damage?[/i] Even if you try to ks me, I will always win.

You were wrong and so was the other person.

The other person could have been more polite. Or they may simply have limited English skills. We'll never know.

You, however, could have been much more polite. You didn't like the way the other person spoke to you and immediately went into KS mode. I suspect if you hadn't chosen a build a DW you would have behaved better. I guess that's why you chose the DW.

I'd just blink to somewhere you weren't

[quote=hirrho]@Demon671: That wasn't logic I stated. It was a fact. </3 But everything else you said besides the her fault thing was 100% spot on. So I tip my crown and pin a medal that states " I have one this brewah" to thane chest.[/quote]
It was logic because the fact shows that im not training any more hence why its logic. If i was training then it would be a fact.

@Demon671: That wasn't logic I stated. It was a fact. </3 But everything else you said besides the her fault thing was 100% spot on. So I tip my crown and pin a medal that states " I have one this brewah" to thane chest.

@hirrho: Eh honestly im at 173 and no interest in leveling any further currently so getting experience isn't my focus. So that logic you are using right now is just failing. But the sole fact of her complaining about not sharing the map because she lost exp is why fighting over a map with someone is losing experience and wasting her 1.2x. I don't care who this random is im just saying her logic is flawed in saying the best ksing class is a BW when it certainly is not. You still need to let FG to get some hits in let alone activate on a monster while if someone who knows how to ks can easily rush in kill it before the gears even have time to set in.

So 2 flawed logics come at me brah

[quote=Demon671]Eh still wasted 1.2x. Also flame gears honestly doesn't work that fast so if the person was a smart person just staying at the middle and top plat would easily yield better exp than stupidly following someone unless the person can 1hko the mobs. But still you wasted the 1.2x fighting the person and i stand by the fact that if you need to call people in your alliance and guild that you need help ksing then your not playing a good ksing class.[/quote]

But you could be using this time arguing with her training. So, I think you lost exp too :O She'd actually gain more exp with the kser because he killed it while she went on teleporting and casting gears, he did all the final hits so yeah... IMO I think you just wanna stick up for the ks'ed guy.

Blaze Wizards? Who needs damage over time when you can 1HKO everything with a Dawn Warrior's Soul Driver?

[quote=InHerArms]
TBH I didn't, it was kind of funny but he kept following me in an attempt to get my kills when I was always one step a head killing all the mobs, and the mobs he did kill are the mobs the fire gear took care of which means he got 1 exp I got the rest, got try though.[/quote]
Eh still wasted 1.2x. Also flame gears honestly doesn't work that fast so if the person was a smart person just staying at the middle and top plat would easily yield better exp than stupidly following someone unless the person can 1hko the mobs. But still you wasted the 1.2x fighting the person and i stand by the fact that if you need to call people in your alliance and guild that you need help ksing then your not playing a good ksing class.

[quote=AntiPure]Demon sounds right, and apparently you wasted even further time trying to call someone to help you KS? Yea, I believe that killed even greater time than the 'second' you claim you didn't want to use on him. Look, I'm just saying, at the end of the day simply saying "I'd rather not share im on 1.2x." Or "Sorry, I need the whole map." would have taken less than five seconds, and either two things would have happened.
1 - He would have said something along the lines of, "I understand, sorry." And channel changed.
2 - He would have begun to attack the mobs.

At case 2, you should then proceed to handle things as you did, because you took the time to explain that you really can't afford to share.[/quote]

It was a matter of principle that I didn't even bother communicating with him, if he were to throw in a simple "please" I would've bothered answering but since he didn't I couldn't care less about him so I simply went on my day.

[quote=Demon671]In the end you wasted some of your 1.2x fighting over exp when you could have easily taken a few seconds to say please change channels im on 1.2x. Instead you decided to be a prick ignore ask people for help just to have a map to yourself? Sounds like wasted time let alone shows that it isn't a good ksing class.[/quote]

TBH I didn't, it was kind of funny but he kept following me in an attempt to get my kills when I was always one step a head killing all the mobs, and the mobs he did kill are the mobs the fire gear took care of which means he got 1 exp I got the rest, got try though.

Blaze wiz are NOTHING in small maps. You can kill a whole screen before the gears even hit the monsters

I've KSed a Blaze Wizard 20 levels higher than my DB. -smh- o.o

@CoKePeKsl: Why did you call her an ahole? Thats not called for. She didn't do anthing to you in the first place. If she had did what you said I'm sure you would have accused her anyways.
@InHerArms: Way for someone to ruin the whole thing and turn a fun thread into a trash talk thread started by an instigator. Not the thread starter I mean the one who called you an ahole instigated.

[quote=Demon671]Well it is MP3. Ksing will happen. Hence why most people share the map. If you can't clear the mob fast enough sharing the map will yield you more exp. And yes he was wrong to enter like that but at the same time you did nothing but say "NO" to one sentence without showing the fact you wanted to solo it. SO your both wrong in this situation. And asking for someone to help ks shows it isn't a good class to ks with.

And another note Poison Mist > Flame Gears.

Edit: Can you show me where you said no in the ss? I did not see it :S[/quote]

I've never said no because he never asked me anything, he never said "may we please share this map?" if I were to say no it would be out of context considering it's not relating to anything he said, do you understand me? I could've said "I don't want to share this map with you" but once again, I wasn't going to waste 1 second of my time typing this for [i]him[/i] while i'm on training on 1.2x

Well it is MP3. Ksing will happen. Hence why most people share the map. If you can't clear the mob fast enough sharing the map will yield you more exp. And yes he was wrong to enter like that but at the same time you did nothing but say "NO" to one sentence without showing the fact you wanted to solo it. SO your both wrong in this situation. And asking for someone to help ks shows it isn't a good class to ks with.

And another note Poison Mist > Flame Gears.

Edit: Can you show me where you said no in the ss? I did not see it :S

[quote=akaho]ur not an ahole but u shud have said no or asked the guy to find another map first[/quote]

I'm not looking to have a tackle with you as well, but saying no to "choose top or bottom" is rather complex considering it's not even a question.

@CoKePeKsl
O.o just saying she wasnt disrepcting you constantly .. she just started a thread and you called her a ahole O_O "I have no reason to be mean or disrespect anyone the first time i see them..."

[quote=CoKePeKsl]What is? Maybe you got this wrong.. unless someone straight up disrespects me constantly, i have no reason to be mean or disrespect anyone the first time i see them... and just because someone starts ksing me.. unless i have already asked him to stop and he hasn't, i have no reason to get mad and start planning my revenge on him[/quote]

Right.. I don't believe we have a reason to argue, our minds are set on totally different directions so there's no way we could make some what of an agreement, this is pointless.

[quote=CoKePeKsl]You're talking to me about respect? You need to just learn how to treat people... and not be "oh he isn't nice to me boohoo i nao wont be good to him cause he'z bad to me" I've been raised to treat people with respect no matter how they treat me...[/quote]

Well that's wrong.

[quote=CoKePeKsl]He didn't say that... were you on the map first? or was he?, also you could've said srry i need this map i can't share and if he didn't leave THEN you could've ks'd him... you are still a doosh in my mind[/quote]

Please do explain to me how I'm the ahole when you come and bluntly accuse me of being an ahole? I had the map, I like soloing the map considering my class, I didn't want to share and I didn't want to waste my 1.2x time by answering that guy so I simply ignored him, after a while he started ksing me, please... pleasee tell me how am I the jerk in this story?

F/Ps are better since poison mist is better than flame gears in aevery conceable way (besides coolness but poison mist is usually funnier looking). It lasts longer, does moar dmggz, and takes priority over gears *i think for the last one*

[quote=CoKePeKsl]the guy on your ss was asking to share the map.. you couldve said no and instead you ks'd him... you are an ahole[/quote]

Where did he say that? He said "Hi", and then he said "choose top or bottom". I don't see him asking anywhere.

[quote=CoKePeKsl]the guy on your ss was asking to share the map.. you couldve said no and instead you ks'd him... you are an ahole[/quote]

"You choose, top or bottom" he didn't ask me to share the map, he told me "WE SHARE THE MAP!" so I decided to ignore him and let him follow me like a cute little kino killing a casual monster once in a while until he decided he'd try to KS me and fail quite harshly.

Just get someone who's funded, hooray ksing monster has been born.