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Damn, this thread blew up quite a bit. Pretty happy that a majority of the people voting that the game itself isn't dying though <3

noooo, please don't stop the fight, it was so fun to read you two
just kidding, I was about to go to sleep thought I'd have to check tomorrow to see if it ends or not lol
anyway ... yeah, its glad to see you two finally decided to stop hurting each others

[quote=AndrewSicos]Nope, you're wrong. I could care less personally if you call players delusional, because I no longer play and I've said this long ago. However I don't agree with the wolf guy's definition of the game as dying and I don't like it when people like you complain about something and do nothing about it. It was sparkshooter and undexme that had the bulk of the argument on that front, and I haven't seen them in a while.

I offered to stop earlier and you declined. Let me try again. I am sorry for offending you and if you agree to do the same, I will stop replying to you. No more insults and this is over.[/quote]

Fine then.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Oh boo-hoo, keep crying about how I said I blacklisted you. Must hurt your FEE-FEEs so much that a stranger blacklisted you on the internet. Waaah.

I don't know where you are going with this delusional thing. I personally do not play Maple anymore because I think it is trash, so your argument is moot. However, you still play yet continue to whine about it without quitting. That is where this started.[/quote]

No, the argument started because YOU cried about me and the other guy using the term "delusional" and guess what? He's right, as I obviously stated in my reply quote somewhere on page 3-4-5. I explained to YOU, that I'm not saying anyone here or anything is delusional unless you truly believed that MS was as popular and as played as it was during pre-BB and post BB. You cried, kept whining about the term, kept saying "you're calling everyone delusional" even though anyone with reading comprehension would see that's not the case.

And here we are, you're a moron. I'm being trolled but at the same time turds like you don't get polished, they get flushed. So, have we left anything out of the loop over what? 3 hours? No, good. That;s out of our system.

Shall we continue or are we going to stop? Cause really, you're flat out annoying me and I've lost my amusement for this game.

Also: "If you can't see how resorting to calling others delusional in an argument is being condescending, then you need a better grip on reality." I'm sorry, I could have sworn you said this, we must not be on the same planet, or even the same plane of thoughts. It's obviously you're extremely high and extremely stupid.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Please blow your brains out. That would be doing us all a favor.
You say we are both guilty, yet YOU are the one who is now continuing this. Are you OCD and must reply when I quote you?[/quote]

Nope, sorry. I'm guilty continuing where you left off. I'm sorry, If I could I would message you again but I fear you might become a princess again and post about your fee-fees and how the message caused you horrible trauma.

I reply when I'm quoted, I also reply when some pansy ass loser wants to fight me when I have no desire to and never wanted to. But miss-whiny over here decided no instead of just blacklisting I'll be sure to post it to a forum so all could see...

And then keep crying about being called delusional, even though you know .. my earlier posts did not target anyone specifically saying "you're delusional" but that's how the argument started. You saw something I said and the other guy, you got all huffy puffy and took offense. Why? Do you lack such self-esteem you take offense to something that wasn't even directed at you? Tough, you'll have to deal with far worse in the RL.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Nobody's waddling anywhere, punk. If you actually enjoy this, I'll be here all day.[/quote]

Wow, that sure looks like the attitude I just saw a sec ago saying "I'm willing to stop, are you?".

Jesus, you're a laugh riot and a half. Well sometimes, most of the time I just wish I could blow my brains out when I see you quoted me yet again.

I know for sure that I'm not the only one who kept press refresh button to see this endless fight
gotta love this <3

[quote=AndrewSicos]And what about you, idiot? I have offered multiple times to stop and you're continuing on like some crazed braindead child looking for internet glory.[/quote]

Hey, remember that message I sent you? What exactly did that say besides some colourful words? It said straight out leave me alone. You refused, this started. Now you think you can just waddle away? Don't try and put words in my mouth.

"YOU are getting what YOU deserved. It is plain to outside observers that you are an insufferable troll that does not know how or when to stop, from the point where you first said you were going to."

I said leave me alone, you kept egging me on. You know what that means? We're both guilty. Don't change the narrative to fit your story cause your posts pretty much show you did not try anything. You willfully continued, same as me. Difference is I knew you were gonna be a little troll and messaged you asking not to.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Have you lost your mind? You seem to be incapable of typing properly anymore. What a mess.[/quote]

@leffen Oh look, yeah he's willing to stop, haha. Come on, don't defend this turd.

He's getting what he deserves after I asked him not to start with me over what? 2 hours ago?

[quote=AndrewSicos]Lmao, I'm not even gonna bother reading that. Like I said before, it's done. If you continue posting, it will just be a reflection on your personality.[/quote]

Naw, it's probably my last post. It's obvious you've run out of gas, out of brain and definitely out of time.

Whelp, I hope you enjoyed the show folks and that's allllllllllll fooor todayyyyyyy.

Don't start crap you can't finish, son.

@Leffen Yeah, he's willing to stop after trolling me for how long? All this could have been avoided had he simply ignored me and stopped posting. Instead he decided to haha, blacklist me and then think he's such a big poobah by posting in on the thread. No, that doesn't fly. You don't act stupid, cry in public about a foul play and then continue. He got the whoopin he deserved, he just doesn't want to be banned like the little petty person he deserves to be banned for.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Thought you said you were going to watch that show several pages ago? Or have you just been lurking on here the whole time like the pathetic runt that you are?

Nice work with the French, nothing says "I am cool, give me attention!" like a few phrases of French being inserted into random places.

The fact that you are actually worried about "winning" or "losing" is highly entertaining. Shows just how much you care about your reputation on the internet. Me, I don't give a rat's ass. Like I said, I quit playing and this is just an old mule account.

Buh-bye, friend! Come back again soon, I'll miss you![/quote]

Ohh, look at all the offensive posturing now. Little too late I'm afraid friend, I just don't care about your worthless opinions anymore. Love the personal "pathetic runt" crying there, suits someone like you.

Oh, and no I've been watching the whole time but flicking between pages now and then missing some of the show. Also you can claim all you want it's a mule, we all know I caught ya awhile ago, as I said it's not very easy to mistake "me" with "him". That's probably why you stopped posting on the other account as to not show how really pathetic you are, after that major blunder. It's also why you probably post on that account also, cause you know you'd look stupid on your main, which isn't a problem with me as I have lots of characters not on my characters list.

Also I don't care about any internet reputation, only when obvious trolls start bothering me. You targetted me, so I targetted you right back.

Also, I'm using "mon ami" because I liked Gambit from Xmen and thought it'd be funny to see your reaction, and as I thought here you are crying about it.

But whatever floats your boat, Alice.

Also "PM full of insults after saying he was done on the thread. I think we both went too far in the end." <- MUH FEE FEES, He sent me a little nasty message telling me to go away cause I'm a sad little bunneh rabbit who couldn't get it wrapped around his widdle head that when he said "delusional" it wasn't a personal attack on said person but he got all afendded anyway. Shucks, why can we be fwends?

LOL, can you two please stop ?
you guys are getting nowhere with this conversation

[quote=AndrewSicos]Good, because you'd be wiping the floor with your ass if you acted this way in real life. Classic keyboard warrior![/quote]

Yup, classic keyboard warrior.

Cause nothing says "I am the greatest" by starting an argument, knowing your opponent is either obliviously ignorant or highly stupid. Asks them to not continue as I really didn't want to and you know said person didn't read anything that was written anyway.

Makes a big show on the thread about how they blacklisted someone cause they're so cool and that guy is soooo pathetic.

Then makes a big show when you know, you get caught in lies (ahem, like saying I attacked you |HAHAHA| nope. And claiming like a idiot I know some other poster just because I agreed with said person "HAHAHA" no.)

Yup, you must be the life of the non-existent purty there man. And all it took was both of us in essence to troll each other (mostly you trolling).

Well, I feel better now. I actually thought I had lost this, but then the deflections and defensive posturing from you happened. Ahh, mon ami I really cherished our time together. But I do really gotta go watch Supernatural now.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Hahaha, the most hypocritical statement coming from you. Do you act like an arrogant piece of trash in real life too, or is it just an internet thing?[/quote]

Mostly internet, it's where I can release my thoughts on sad petty people like yourself without fear of hurting any fee fees.

Also ........

I am the wolf guy, you have to wait for a full moon though for him to make an appearance. It's just how it works ya know. /sarcasm

[quote=AndrewSicos]Pfft, get off your high horse. You were the one who broke the rules by throwing personal insults and starting the argument. If you want to get yourself banned, go ahead by all means.[/quote]

Ah mon ami, I knew you couldn't stay away forever. That's all we need, the mods will be able to see if your IP is on both accounts or not. Ta tah, hope you enjoy the vacation we're about to get, possibly double for you though.

[quote=AndrewSicos]What are you even talking about? I am telling you again that this is my only account. You're biased and only decide to acknowledge the supposed evidence that supports your theory, while ignoring all the evidence that point to the fact that we are definitely not the same person. Sorry bud, but you've legitimately got this one wrong.

I think that's enough of this nonsense. I have not attacked you in this post, so let's just leave it at this. If you don't reply with any provoking statements then we can call it a day.[/quote]

That's ok, I'll be sure to see if a mod can do an IP sweep to be sure. I mean, breaking the rules is one thing, but breaking them on two?

Gasp, I can't wait.

[quote=AndrewSicos]How long do you want to continue your little fantasy? I am telling you straight up that I have no other accounts. Believe what you like, but it's actually true.
Remember, you were the one who originally wanted to run away but couldn't resist coming back. No self control.[/quote]

"And you claim not to be associated with the wolf hat guy, yet you two posted the exact same arguments in support of each other." <- you just earlier said "some guy" accused me and yet that was you on your own account andrewsicos just now.

I mean, I commend your trolling, but it got sloppy at the end when you decided to push a narrative I know I've never seen.

3 lies and counting, shall we continue mon ami?

[quote=AndrewSicos]Blacklisting you caused my message to disappear, and I had no idea if you read it or not so I gave you a kind reminder. But you're so confrontational that you think everyone who says anything against you is a troll, on multiple accounts, and 12 years old. Why so defensive?[/quote]

Umm, the only person here who's continued this petty little fight is you, no one else. I'm finding it highly amusing the deflective tactics you're trying to use now.

I've never said everyone was a troll, a 12 year old, just you. Which it's obvious as my quote was not an edit, or an error. You posted it on your wrong account and then switched over to somehow make it look like an edited I did. I mean, that's really low. You went from being so high and mighty to being on the defensive, not me. As evident by your posts after I caught you.

The only person who's accused me of being in "cahoots" with the wolf hat guy .. was you. Did you just confuse yourself on a different account again?

[quote=AndrewSicos]I informed you that I blacklisted you and guess what? You responded again! Zero self control. I don't play Maple at all anymore, and the funniest thing is people like you who hate the game and continue whining about it. Like I said before, arrogant and stupid.[/quote]

You messaged me saying you were going to blacklist me, and then had the gull to post it on the thread. That's called egging someone on, something I wasn't going to stand for. Only someone really pathetic would do that.

Edit: "Using your logic, you're obviously in cahoots with the wolf hat guy. Posting the same arguments, at almost the exact same time, against the same people. Not much better evidence than that. And now you're deflecting that evidence by trying to pin it on others. Nice going!" <- Are you really this stupid? We've never posted the same arguments, the only time we've posted anything vaguely familiar is when we were talking about people who would flat out say Maplestory had has NO declining in population and popularity, and we both described said people of being obviously "delusional". That's it, that's as far as any similarities go, again I do not know the guy, never met him and never talked to him I simply agreed with him on that one topic.

Again, this is the traditional deflection tactic with means you're trying to hide something, which doesn't matter because as I said I caught you in your lies anyhow.

[quote=AndrewSicos]Look at the time the accounts were created and the comment history. If you really think I have the time to waste on you with accounts from 8 years ago, you are sadly mistaken.

The question is, how long do YOU plan to keep trolling ME? I recall you saying that you were done several pages ago. Whatever happened to that?[/quote]

Usually when someone goes "Here I'll blacklist you", it's done. Yet you know .. you kept and do keep posting. I don't even care, I can go all day. We'll both be banned and I won't personally care, cause honestly you deserve it, I'm just here waiting for the bans to hit.

I mean, you deflect arguments like a 12 year old. You must be very stupid to boot, I can see you like trolling so I'll troll too i mean, why not? Mods obviously don't care or else they'd have shut this petty little squabble down. I'm just amusing myself at the fact someone is so sad enough they actually try and deflect arguments that were never related to the OP.

"Edit: And the guy you claim to be me has stopped as well. In fact, he only entered the conversation halfway through and left again. By your logic, this proves it's not me. Honestly, do you even think before arguing?" You pretty much came out and flat out said I edited a post in which you came out and posted I messaged you, except it was on the wrong account. That's called deflecting, a tactic that's used when you've got something to hide. No one gets "me" with "i" autocorrected, and it's not something you'd naturally post either. I caught you, give it up and move on.

[quote=AndrewSicos]HAHAHA, you're back? That quote shows absolutely nothing whatsoever, nice job pulling things out of your ass to make yourself feel better. And you claim not to be associated with the wolf hat guy, yet you two posted the exact same arguments in support of each other. Nice lie, bud.[/quote]

Umm, again. Agreeing with someone on a post does not mean you know them. And the sad deflection you tried to do when I caught you trolling on two accounts using the same ARGUMENTS about the word delusion claiming I'm the one using two accounts? Nice try, I've never edited a quote, so the sad attempt came short if you look hard enough.

I guess I must be magic, I mean me and the guy posted two things at the same time in page 3 or 4.

So I digress, how long do you plan on trolling me? Cause it's gotten pretty sad that you've got caught twice, and refuse to you know, go away.

Edit: Also he's not posted in awhile, so how does this prove I know him? He's stopped, I've not because you need to be knocked down a peg or two.

[quote=AndrewSicos]I'm not trolling. That guy attacked me first, and then got salty when I responded. Unless his self control is even worse than I imagined, this should be over.[/quote]

" I can't stand whiners like you that complain about something yet continue to use it. Use your brain and stop looking at this if you don't like it, genius." Your very first post directed at me, when I had not said a damn word to you. You must like lying alot, I mean you lied about using two accounts, trolling along with the account lilasiankid2 and now outright lying about who attacked whom first?

Mmm, I love when someone gets caught red-handed.

Wow this thread went downhill since I last checked it.
@Fusionpressure That guy might be trolling, but you weren't doing yourself any favors by starting with the personal attacks. Everyone here needs to calm down.

[quote=lilasiankid2]The hell you talking about kid? I'm typing on my phone now and it's a typo, which has been corrected. Although not surprising to see that assertion comin from you, since your the same guy as the "delusion" fella.[/quote]

Enjoy the trolling on two accounts. Hopefully the mods deal with people as pathetic as you. I'm off to watch supernatural.

[quote=lilasiankid2]I recall you were the one who messaged me after saying you were done? Picky about the facts, aren't we.[/quote]

Oh look at that, 1 tard two accounts? Shocking, how pathetic you feel like trolling with two accounts by replying with both.

Lawl, the truly sad of the sad you are.

[quote=AndrewSicos]See what I mean? Zero self control. He'd give up if he realized what's good for himself, but he's too caught up in trying to get back at us to think logically. Pretty funny to watch.[/quote]

Yeah, keep being stupid. Proves my point previously on how people have selective bias on the forum. You're trolling cause two random people indirectly called you "delusional" even though we weren't attacking anyone. Low and behold here you keep bothering me even after blacklisting me, and i'm pathetic? Get real.

[quote=lilasiankid2]you're the one using personal insults and replying to him when you said you were done. i think you need some self reflection here, bud.[/quote]

Great, the other idiot. God i love it. He continued to ignore my posts, you expect people to stay calm? Hes blacklisted me, stop replying to me it's annoying. You willfully ignore a post, you don't deserve any sympathy. He's just trolling now for an emotional response and he now got it, piss off.

[quote=AndrewSicos]If you don't want to see my posts, stop replying to me. You seem to have the self-control of a little child.[/quote]

Jesus i'm done with you kiddo, i am. You keep trying to one up like the turd you are even though you had no involement in the original argument. Your sad.

[quote=AndrewSicos]@Fusionpressure Do you have no self-control? You send me an insulting PM saying you wouldn't reply, yet that message was a reply in itself. Since you lack the ability to properly ignore someone, let me help you by blacklisting you. You're welcome.[/quote]

Shut up please, I'm tired of seeing you in my quoted box. I explained my position and you continued to ignore my core post so don't post condescending to me. You wanna continue the argument be less of an emotional turd being offended by thinking someone called you delusional.

[quote=sparkshooter]@LitheMovement:
Just because they refuse to teach it, and you refuse to research it, doesn't make it incorrect. It just means that only you don't know why it's true. If the goal is persuasion, it results in an impasse. But if an informed third-party looks at the argument, they would deem the person with the facts as correct.[/quote]

True enough, but how many informed people are here on BasilMarket? Similarly, how many people would also do the research themselves? Once again, do not ignore context. If you're going to "effectively" argue here, you're going to have to adapt to the situation. Of course, since the impasse was reached (and practically agreed upon at this point) there's just no going further.

@LitheMovement:
Just because they refuse to teach it, and you refuse to research it, doesn't make it incorrect. It just means that only you don't know why it's true. If the goal is persuasion, it results in an impasse. But if an informed third-party looks at the argument, they would deem the person with the facts as correct.

@sparkshooter: No, it's like telling someone they can't use the Pythagorean theorem because you won't bother telling it to them, instead telling them to figure it out on their own with an extensive list of documents as your only source. Now imagine telling a lazy person this (i.e. me) and of course I'm not going to use it, and as a result it's just not going to have any relevancy in the argument at hand - hence being "bad facts". Should I believe it just because he says it is without any real explanation, instead just saying to go research it myself?

In the end, it doesn't matter if it's well-founded, if the other person doesn't know what you're talking about fully, you can just continue to dance around them - and if they ask and you refuse to tell them, that's some condescension (or laziness). We've both simply reached our limits as to what we'll do for an argument on this site - one is not teaching, the other is not researching.

As for the last bit - that's how language evolves. Just because a bunch of people use it DOES in fact make it correct after a time. Judging by the amount of people complaining about people complaining that the game is dying, that time limit has passed.

[quote=LitheMovement]Mmmm, maybe, but there are other reasons that might be true as well.
But I can also definitely say that when you start to accuse these condescending people in a more outright condescending way as you are, your words become rather weightless, but I guess as I said, if you're not trolling on this site, you're not using it practically.

@Sparkshooter: Yeah, it would take a while. Doing my own research of course would take even longer. Usually someone with experience can more effectively explain it to someone with little, as how knowledge is passed down. He refused to do it here, understandably so, and as a result, we reached an impasse. It doesn't matter if he's quoting good facts, if you don't explain them well, they may as well be bad facts - I think that's pretty agreeable. The only result is that I don't see where he's coming from and his arguments just seem to fail in my eyes (the same thing that's happening on his end).[/quote]
That's like telling someone that they can't use the Pythagorean Theorem because they can't prove that every value of all the right triangles are correct.
Tests of significance are well-founded, and are used in real jobs by legitimate statisticians. Argue all you want, but it's not a "bad fact."

@Fusionpressure
Just because a bunch of people use "dying" as "declining" does not make it correct. "Dying" is an over-exaggeration of "declining."

[quote=AndrewSicos]I don't think dying is the right term to describe MapleStory. So you agree with your buddy's assertion that this makes me delusional?
And nice work with the blatant ad hominem attack. Real mature stuff right there.[/quote]

Jesus, I'm not even gonna bother replying. You seem to ignore my posts anyhow. First off, I said dying =/= dead it means to the majority of people declining, which it has as every game declines eventually. Again, he's not my buddy .. I don't know this person, I just agree with him on something and that is if you put your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalala" believing that Maplestory has NOT declined then yes, you must be delusional.

WoW has been declining for awhile now also, it's still a good game but the attention is obviously not towards that anymore. You don't see people going "Lol WoW is fine it's not declining, you just complain too much". And if you do, you're just as delusional as you are if you believe Maplestory hasn't.

And yes, this is my last reply. Everything I say goes "WHEEE" over your head and into the sky as you stare there blank-eyed feeling insulted.

[quote=AndrewSicos]If you straight out say people who disagree with you are delusional, then you are a hater and don't know how the real world works.[/quote]

I said when it comes to specific reasons, you freaken idiot. Now you're just replying as a way to one up me instead of seeing what I said. I said "only IF you straight up deny maplestory declining". You know what that means? Right? It means flat out believing maplestory is as popular and as played as it was pre-bb, which is not the truth in any case.

[quote=AndrewSicos]And you accused anybody who disagrees with you of being delusional when many of them don't think the game is dying. Nice double standard there, bud.[/quote]

We've been through this, dying =/= dying and dead. It means in mapler terms declining. Which, maplestory has for awhile, you can't deny that or else there would be no reasons for server merges. I only agree that if you straight out deny any decline, then yes you are pretty delusional. This isn't the haydays of Maplestory where you could see thousands of players wandering around maps and channels.

@lilasiankid2 Friend implies I know him, again I don't know this person or anything about them. If agreeing with someone makes you their friend I must be personally friends with Barack Obama then.

[quote=LitheMovement]Nah, it actually started when the first post accused everybody who said the game was dying of complaining when many of them were simply stating what they thought. Of course, @Undexme continued, it, but your entire posts implies that arguments are inherently bad when there's nothing wrong really wrong with them at all..[/quote]

Yup, pretty much. I mean, people can have different opinions. It's the facts of life, but to straight out call those who see a decline as complaining .. and then start some semantic argument over what "dying" means?

Come on, that's petty.

[quote=lilasiankid2]started the argument? i think your "friend" (cough cough) started it by calling people delusional.
nice job talking to yourself, makes you look real smart buddy[/quote]

Nah, it actually started when the first post accused everybody who said the game was dying of complaining when many of them were simply stating what they thought. Of course, @Undexme continued, it, but your entire posts implies that arguments are inherently bad when there's nothing wrong really wrong with them at all..

[quote=lilasiankid2]started the argument? i think your "friend" (cough cough) started it by calling people delusional.
nice job talking to yourself, makes you look real smart buddy[/quote]

He's not my friend, I don't even know him. My initial post had nothing to do with him, it was merely to point out using a poll on an obvious bias site is not good enough reasons for any post or point of view justification.

And .. i'm not talking to myself.. that implies no one else is responding. But as we've seen I've been responded to by 4 people. Yup, must be imaginary then, along with these posts I see.

@AndrewSicos Ugh, I don't come here for arguments, I come here to read threads. I just happen to post my opinions that lead to arguments. Also, I already stated I don't have to enjoy something to participate in it. So ugh, yeah thanks for the concerns though.

@AndrewSicos: I straight up admitted to trolling a couple of posts ago, but I specifically stated not in this case. At this point though, I'm definitely done talking to the real troll here.

[quote=AndrewSicos]@LitheMovement So you admit to trolling. Good job.
@Fusionpressure Were you born this way or did it come by degrees?[/quote]

Huh, I'm sorry. This thread started off with good notions and a potential for good conversation but turned into the same cut throat "I love maplestory" "I hate maplestory" "I hate you, you hate me" Circlejerk crap as usual.

Also, I love the "born this way" holier than thou insult. Geez, you must read from a good book man.

[quote=lilasiankid2]except you can definitely legally ignore this, smartass
so many no lifes complaining about the game and the community yet continue to participate and make it even worse[/quote]

Except so could whats his face, who started the argument regarding something as stupid as a poll .. on a site ... that's not conclusive of anything. I mean, really it's not complicated ya know man? You could have ignored this to, instead you came in here flailing, do as I say not as I do I guess am i right? Eh? EH?

Yeah, I assumed so.

[quote=AndrewSicos]If you can't see how resorting to calling others delusional in an argument is being condescending, then you need a better grip on reality.[/quote]

Mmmm, maybe, but there are other reasons that might be true as well.
But I can also definitely say that when you start to accuse these condescending people in a more outright condescending way as you are, your words become rather weightless, but I guess as I said, if you're not trolling on this site, you're not using it practically.

@Sparkshooter: Yeah, it would take a while. Doing my own research of course would take even longer. Usually someone with experience can more effectively explain it to someone with little, as how knowledge is passed down. He refused to do it here, understandably so, and as a result, we reached an impasse. It doesn't matter if he's quoting good facts, if you don't explain them well, they may as well be bad facts - I think that's pretty agreeable. The only result is that I don't see where he's coming from and his arguments just seem to fail in my eyes (the same thing that's happening on his end).

[quote=LitheMovement]@Undexme: Not really arguing with statistical theory, more like asking questions, questions that as a statistician you seem to be refusing to answer...(dodging, perhaps?). Anyway, I see you don't want to at all convince me that I'm wrong, and at this point if my "opinion" is true, I should not want any part in convincing the "deluded" you.

Still, it was refreshing.[/quote]
He's not posting random facts he made up on the spot. Those are actual conditions that allow you to use tests of significance; they actually teach this in high school courses sometimes. It's not always easy to explain the origin of a concept, since they often were derived from complex proofs and the like.

[quote=AndrewSicos]@Fusionpressure: I can't stand whiners like you that complain about something yet continue to use it. Use your brain and stop looking at this if you don't like it, genius.[/quote]

I complain about taxes, I can't legally ignore them.

And I never said anywhere I didn't ... like this? Whatever that means, just the turds with the chip on their shoulder brown-nosing for Nexon.

@AndrewSicos: Condescending? Mind pointing out where that tone came up? I'd presume it was when I called everyone who believed the game wasn't dying delusional, but I certainly didn't place myself higher than them in that case.

As for the arguing for no reason, I actually believed what i said, didn't really feel like there was no reason behind that, but I guess in a sense if the arguments don't apply to you in any appreciable way, it would seem pointless.

In addendum, @Undexme could just as well have ignored this thread, but he still posted his short rant in it. I see no problem with attempting to correct the issues, albeit being a rather hopeless situation in his case, a conclusion based on a decent amount of time spent here.

[quote=AndrewSicos]You might not be trolling, but you're acting like a condescending jerk and arguing for no reason. Not much better really.[/quote]

but you're acting like a condescending jerk and arguing for no reason. Not much better really <- Sums up forums and basilmarket.

@lilasiankid2: It's probably because in this case I wasn't really trolling. I'll admit that roughly 15% of my activities here would consist of that, as the times generally call for any practical use of this site to involve trolling, but to outright dismiss my statements is rather...trollish.

[quote=Leffen]You're saying there's another poll skewed the opposite way, yet you refuse to show us the poll while dissing the legitimacy of basilmarket. Why are you on the forum if you have such a low opinion of it? I haven't read this whole conversation, but you seem to be the one on the high horse here.[/quote]

Actually, I'm not the one who used a poll on a site (as I have stated many times I site that is heavily skewed towards players who defend Maplestory and Nexon) he was. I merely noted opinions on forums are not good enough reasons to use as justification of anything, and posted another forum that has a poll skewed the other way.

I'm on the forum, because I have nothing better to do. I like reading threads, and reddit is pretty stale. And the official forums are pretty much no better in regards to comparison towards Basilmarket.

I just hate people disregarding obvious signs that have obviously happened since big bang hit showing the declining popularity and population of Maplestory. Like I said, people lump all the doomsday sayers together, I'm not one of them. I just notice reasons why people would avoid it, and the reasons why people play it.

Also, the "if you hate it why are you here" notion is so overused and stupid. I can hate a forum and still participate in it. I hate voting for politicians, but I do it anyway because I can.

@Undexme: Not really arguing with statistical theory, more like asking questions, questions that as a statistician you seem to be refusing to answer...(dodging, perhaps?). Anyway, I see you don't want to at all convince me that I'm wrong, and at this point if my "opinion" is true, I should not want any part in convincing the "deluded" you.

Still, it was refreshing.