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10-12k HP wtf...how do you guys get that much HP ? o.o , aside of Character Cards and link skills which don't raise your HP that much.At level 162 i have like 4k HP only.

[quote=Sniped]@blacks151: Holy asdfg. 12k hp? o_o Well I'm quite content with my f/p since I boss just fine and Von Bon's the only one that can instant kill me in RA.[/quote]

12k isnt that high tbh, my bishop has 10k unbuffed, theres some mages with 30k~ hp, now thats insane

It's weird. Some people will get ohko'd anyway even if they're not a Mage. I've seen it myself since I run daily. My BM with 10k HP can even survive Von Bon's projectile while some other ranged classes can't. He doesn't have any % HP gear or link skills at all.

@blacks151: Holy asdfg. 12k hp? o_o Well I'm quite content with my f/p since I boss just fine and Von Bon's the only one that can instant kill me in RA.

[quote=Sniped][url=http://imgur.com/ZeCxtVG]Sad huh?[/url][/quote]

so lowwwww
go get character cards and link skillsss

@TS, last time i went RA on my f/p which god knows when, pretty sure i didn't get KO'd.... usually get left with 1k hp or so
i had about 12k hp though

[quote=Ceifeed]Its bs and they do. I dont think theres any justification to why. Lumi is the only mage that can get past it.[/quote]

lets not forget about the greatest mage there is; Battle mage <3

you need more hp or more % hp and or more %hp link skills

bosses can 1 hit low hp classes easy more there atts depend on what boss do % damage few of them deal damage like normal monsters
and after von bon most them have 1hit moves clown (red) appears on you and 1 hits queen has mirror that heals her and the snake dragon has well alot attacks that can be avoided easy but all which can 1hit almost anyone...

my evan has 15k hp around there surviving is made easy with pets auto heal as RA bosses can combo attack with there %hp damage skills pretty fast
good example is von bons ground stump then that 75% max hp attack he throws easy avoided both by jumping but if you miss it and it hits he basically 2hit combo you

[quote=Gollywog]If there is anyone on this thread that I would agree with, it would have to be you.

@Sniped 2.6k HP at 158? Sounds insanely low, even for a mage. I'm a Luminous with 11k HP or more and I know mages with even more than me.[/quote]

Luminous' have WAY too much HP for a mage.
Also they have PASSIVE magic guard.
I want that

[quote=lollol635]They do a set % damage to your HP.
Some of their moves take off 60% of your HP (i.e. when Pierre stabs you with his umbrella and cause you to knockback), while some take 90% (when Von Bon jumps up and crashes into the ground), while some take all of your HP (when you get hit by Vellum's fireball shots).

So yea, magic guard in RA is useless. So is W/M.Defense, skills that reduce damage by a certain %, etc.[/quote]
This is incorrect. Let's assume that it is true the Roots Abyss bosses and all their attacks deal damage based off of a percentage. That would mean the damage they deal in ratio to your HP is STATIC because it is based off of a percentage. So if it does 50% of your HP it will ALWAYS deal 50% of your HP regardless of how much HP that actually is numerically 3400 or 5,500.

Now when I go to Von Bon, the attack where he shoots the energy ball at me will kill me if I do NOT use Whaler's Potion (+40% HP and -15% dmg taken) but it will not kill me if I do use it. If the attack was % based, this would not be the case however it is, thus the attack is either not based completely % based.

If the attack does factor % HP into account, it must do so up to a point then take into consideration other things. And by that I mean, maybe the formula looks something like this: ((HP x % Dmg) + 1000 base dmg)) = damage dealt. This way, let's say I have 10k HP. Well if the base % for his attack is 90% and I have 1000 HP left after that, then lose another 1000 from the base damage I would die. But because I used HB, Whaler's potion or w/e then I survive because the remaining amount of HP I have is greater than 1000 or the base dmg of the attack.

[quote=Gollywog]If there is anyone on this thread that I would agree with, it would have to be you.

@Sniped 2.6k HP at 158? Sounds insanely low, even for a mage. I'm a Luminous with 11k HP or more and I know mages with even more than me.[/quote]
[url=http://imgur.com/ZeCxtVG]Sad huh?[/url]

@xDerek no wonder my guild bishop kept dying lolol

[quote=bluebomber24]its wierd. Its hp% supposedly, however if a certain characters hp goes past a certain limit you can avoid ohko or something like that. For example, if my Archer had decent-HB I would not get ohkoed by Vellum. Ppl that have natural hp equal to me+dHB would still get KOed though.

In summary, I think its some odd formula like BaseHP*x=DamageDealt[/quote]

If there is anyone on this thread that I would agree with, it would have to be you.

@Sniped 2.6k HP at 158? Sounds insanely low, even for a mage. I'm a Luminous with 11k HP or more and I know mages with even more than me.

[quote=SirJayGatsby]For some reason, I could stop laughing at this. But to answer your question, they do.

I keep hearing that they go by % HP but when I was a Corsair with only 12k HP they'd kill me instantly, specifically Von Bon, but now that I have 16k HP he can't kill me regardless of what attack he uses. I just get hit and my pet Power Elixir's me and I survive.[/quote]

The go by hp % is a load of bs to me. Previously I have 11k hp. Von Bon purple attack will 1 hit me. Now I have 17k hp and it does not 1 hit me.

[quote=lollol635]They do a set % damage to your HP.
Some of their moves take off 60% of your HP (i.e. when Pierre stabs you with his umbrella and cause you to knockback), while some take 90% (when Von Bon jumps up and crashes into the ground), while some take all of your HP (when you get hit by Vellum's fireball shots).

So yea, magic guard in RA is useless. So is W/M.Defense, skills that reduce damage by a certain %, etc.[/quote]

hmm...i dunno about that. I remember that ppl saying the more mdef you have the less %hp damage Magnus does. I.e., if he normally does 90% damage, he only does 70%hp damage if your mdef is high enough. I havn't verified this though.

My evan friend RA's all the time.
Lrn2play evan or get stronker.

its wierd. Its hp% supposedly, however if a certain characters hp goes past a certain limit you can avoid ohko or something like that. For example, if my Archer had decent-HB I would not get ohkoed by Vellum. Ppl that have natural hp equal to me+dHB would still get KOed though.

In summary, I think its some odd formula like BaseHP*x=DamageDealt

They have the tendency to bypass it.

Well when they 1v1 me, I lose all my mana and like 50% of my hp :s Works for me but im a lumi

Seems to me only Von Bon's orb of doom sht he has going on ignores Magic Guard. >.< It hit's like 3k when I have 2.6k HP so that gets bothersome. Otherwise, I'm perfectly fine in RA.

It's both. Some attacks ignore magic guard, some attacks deal %HP damage.
Mages just have to learn the attack patterns and learn to physically not get hit

For some reason, I could stop laughing at this. But to answer your question, they do.

I keep hearing that they go by % HP but when I was a Corsair with only 12k HP they'd kill me instantly, specifically Von Bon, but now that I have 16k HP he can't kill me regardless of what attack he uses. I just get hit and my pet Power Elixir's me and I survive.