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Wind Archer revamp end of Bowmasters?

http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/kmst-ver-1-2-471-wind-breaker/

Idk they seem very powerful.. Heaven's Song vs Hurricane?

February 8, 2013

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Kauotomasta

I like Bowmasters just the way they are. I dont care that they are weak, I just like their play style.

Reply February 24, 2013
darklord666

Nothing can end a class/ job. Just because another archer is coming out/ improved on and is overpowered, it does not mean the actual end of a still fun and powerful class/ job of archer. If you are gonna compare the skills, that feat had already been decided first by Wild Hunters (in terms of hurricane-like skills). I would like to see how the actual damage multiplier in comparison with each job will be, with and without skill buff comparisons as well, just so we can have a real breakdown.

Either this or, I withdraw my opinion and just say that everything the new and improved Wind Archer class job is getting (though they should get it) should have been applied to an improvement of Bowmasters. There is still a chance Bowmasters will get some more improvement in the future, but Nexon just decided to improve on another archer first. Oh well.

I already have had my Wind Archer at 120 for a few years now, so, meh.

Reply February 24, 2013 - edited
SombraManx

[quote=PotatoCat]Wow maybe this is why Nexon doesn't release archers like ever. They can't do anything archer related without bowmasters flipping a table and going nuts.

I wonder if DrKs complain every time a new warrior comes out. Because every single warrior (except dawn warriors but they hardly count) already is or will be way better than them.

You'd think everyone who even tries to play a BM at this point would realize that they don't really have anything going for them except the original badass factor, of which they have lots.[/quote]

true about drk part...

Arans = better polearm wielders
DS = better "dark" knights
Kaiser = better "dragon" knights

Reply February 23, 2013 - edited
PotatoCat

Wow maybe this is why Nexon doesn't release archers like ever. They can't do anything archer related without bowmasters flipping a table and going nuts.

I wonder if DrKs complain every time a new warrior comes out. Because every single warrior (except dawn warriors but they hardly count) already is or will be way better than them.

You'd think everyone who even tries to play a BM at this point would realize that they don't really have anything going for them except the original badass factor, of which they have lots.

Reply February 23, 2013 - edited
mark24

[quote=Iridinicles]always stay strong bms![/quote]

they have been doing that since wild hunter came out Lol. i do not think thats a good option with nexon... they should prolly just play wa till bm gets revamped.

Reply February 23, 2013 - edited
Iridinicles

always stay strong bms!

Reply February 23, 2013 - edited
Eldegal

This unfair not just Bms it's all Explorer . Do u see much Explorer now? No . Why ? Other class much powerful >.< >.< >.< >.<

Reply February 23, 2013 - edited
Tecko777

*Looks at link*
*Flips table*

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
MmmmmHmm

its like the Striker revamp...the skills look so awesome and makes Buccs look boring =(

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
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would u please st/fu?
stop spamming stupid kid.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
SniperofLove

[quote=bowmushro0m]wut.
dual bladers were the most annoying thing EVER pre bb.
and before that it was 4th job mages
AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS NIGHTLORDS XD
nexon's never done a good job balancing.[/quote]

i remember those times very well,
LUkless nightlord acting like they were all that. (most of them didn't even out dmg my MM back then ) ( they did out do me in ks due to faster atk speed.)
mages selling leech and winning the ks wars with their genesis/meteor/blizzard . ( i had a 150 f/p before big bang too )
Dual blades.. no comment. i quit for a year before those were released. but from what i hear from people they take the trophy of being the most annoying class. even nowdays people still dislike them, lol.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

[quote=bowmushro0m]who the hell eats horses[/quote]

alot of countries

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

[quote=xAzarotHx]Maple used to be SO balanced before Big Bang.
Every class had its role. no-one was better than the other.
When the new classes started pouring in so many older classes became obsolete. Only the most hardcore loyals sticked with the original bowmen after the cat humpers and the fairies were introduced.[/quote]

wut.
dual bladers were the most annoying thing EVER pre bb.
and before that it was 4th job mages
AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS NIGHTLORDS XD
nexon's never done a good job balancing.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

[quote=airforce1]If wishes were horses, beggars would feast.[/quote]

who the hell eats horses

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
airforce1

[quote=bowmushro0m]also rujin, that's what i was asking. if hurricane became two attacks instead of one attack with split damage. ( as in rapid double shot, or literally double speed hurricane) as this would make that hyperskill damn near amazing[/quote]

If wishes were horses, beggars would feast.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

@bowmushro0m: I was specifically refering to the person I quoted who was talking about WH and Mercs and Lol at phantoms.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
archusz

bye bye bowmaster. we will miss u

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

@bluebomber24
@airforce1

bm's suck when you stack them against things like:
New WA, Kaiser, Evan (unfunded situation), any mage (again unfuded), phantoms, and i think that's it.

also rujin, that's what i was asking. if hurricane became two attacks instead of one attack with split damage. ( as in rapid double shot, or literally double speed hurricane) as this would make that hyperskill damn near amazing

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

[quote=jyyk]You cannot deny that the original class BM has been stacked again and again, BM < WH < Mercedes < A damn Cygnus.
Sure we may compete with them, but it requires MUCH more effort and equipments than them.
And sure many of us started as BMs and have high lvl BMs, but like many and myself, why not retire them? they are glorified AFK chat bots.
I think that Nexon's message is clear, "we ran out of ideas and just created everything you have, except <3~~Better~~ <3".
So why fight them? just retire and just say "no". There's no shame in saying no [/quote]

Uh we do not require alot of effort to compete against Mercs and WH at ALL.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
jyyk

You cannot deny that the original class BM has been stacked again and again, BM < WH < Mercedes < A damn Cygnus.
Sure we may compete with them, but it requires MUCH more effort and equipments than them.
And sure many of us started as BMs and have high lvl BMs, but like many and myself, why not retire them? they are glorified AFK chat bots.
I think that Nexon's message is clear, "we ran out of ideas and just created everything you have, except <3~~Better~~ <3".
So why fight them? just retire and just say "no". There's no shame in saying no

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
airforce1

[quote=bluebomber24]1 example of BMs getting a potential natural boost is Terms and Conditiions. Assuming GMS ABs don't get nerfed, our GMS' TaC would be much stronger than a KMS'. GMS TaC lvl1 = KMS TaC lvl2[/quote]

KMS TaC got nerfed somewhere along the line and I expect GMS TaC will get the same one.

@above NO NO NO NO! This is not preBB. Crits a multiplicative and it doesn't matter the number of times you crit if the damage is halved!

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

[quote=bowmushro0m]@bluebomber24
i know AFA doesn't split. but attack counts and damage counts are two different things. like the damage count for hurricane is doubled but is the actually number of attacks doubled. (meaning AFA's damage wouldn't split, but it would occur at 70% of 16.666 instead of 8.33, which is actually just more raw damage rather than being split which would cause hurricane to go from 14.1 hits, to 29.3 ._.)[/quote]

I previously stated: hurricane-split is one attack that shows two numbers

Outside of that I am not sure what your talking about, but AFA is stuck at 70% of 8.33

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
KaySarkSwisz

How are you so sure they will be so OP, remember we got Nerfed AB.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

@bluebomber24
i know AFA doesn't split. but attack counts and damage counts are two different things. like the damage count for hurricane is doubled but is the actually number of attacks doubled. (meaning AFA's damage wouldn't split, but it would occur at 70% of 16.666 instead of 8.33, which is actually just more raw damage rather than being split which would cause hurricane to go from 14.1 hits, to 29.3 ._.)

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

@bowmushro0m: Your asking if split hurricane splits AFA. I asked this question awhile back. The answer is that it doesn't. hurricane-split is one attack that shows two numbers; therefore, 1 attack=1activation chance.

@ImJustARanger Nexon does not need to take a look at Hypers. They were actually well done for all classes and benifited BMs greatly. You don't even have to PICK split hurricane as a BM. Also, split hurricane has the potential to be good in the future. If you think that a BM revamp or 5th job is too far fecthed then consider this logic. Unless MS suddenly ends, BMs will naturally get stronger overtime. History overwhelmingly shows this. As a result, split-hurricane can become a very good hyper in the future and I wouldn't cast it aside by any means. There are already KMSers that are hitting close to the damage cap.

1 example of BMs getting a potential natural boost is Terms and Conditiions. Assuming GMS ABs don't get nerfed, our GMS' TaC would be much stronger than a KMS'. GMS TaC lvl1 = KMS TaC lvl2

Also, Be aware that WA currently demolishes over 90% of the jobs in MS. Hyper Skills are not the problem.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

@lDaze: okay you don't seem to get it ._. 100% critical rate doesn't make double hurricane any better. double hurricane/ishtars literally has nothing to make it superior besides the damage cap. it doesn't effect AFA..unlessssss~

@bluebomber24
curious thought, what if it does? like what if hurricane-split is actually dividing up AFA rate. (i know it doesn't with ishtars) but if it was, it wouldn't matter that AFA isn't split like hurricane is, because it would be happening more often. (making it even better than ishtars post unlimited)
could you confirm or debunk this? it's a long shot but it's worth looking into on my part.

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
airforce1

[quote=lDaze]That's why you aim for 100% crit. [/quote]

[url=http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/October-18-2011-20-12-49-DoubleFacePalm.jpg]my reaction[/url]

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

[quote=lDaze]That's why you aim for 100% crit. [/quote]

What?

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
Forbeden

Explorers are so useless now...

Reply February 14, 2013 - edited
lDaze

[quote=bowmushro0m]it doesn't work that way lol because the critical damage is still cut in half. so if you weren't hitting at least double the crits, you'd actually be losing damage[/quote]

That's why you aim for 100% crit.

Reply February 13, 2013 - edited
Kauotomasta

I will not play anything else but my bowmaster. I love the play style of them. Im nowhere near 200 in 5 odd years but I never play heaps.

If nexon revamp bowmasters to be stronger and on par with other classes and in the process change everything about them, I quit.

Reply February 13, 2013 - edited
JeffieAran

[quote=MSVeteran05]you guys obviously dont remember what happened with WH release that sent BM/MM over the edge to a point they resulted in [b]ksing and cursing people out[/b] prepare for round 2. Btw i will be making a marksman nothing appeals more to me than them[/quote]

The last time a BM tried to ks me, I made sure that he had the worst day of his life on Maple after completely wrecking the entire map with my Mercedes.

Reply February 13, 2013 - edited
WayofPaladin

I am trying very hard to look at the positives in the negatives...but my gawd!

Reply February 13, 2013 - edited
OldAura

Poor bowmasters

Reply February 11, 2013 - edited
bluebomber24

[quote=MSVeteran05]you guys obviously dont remember what happened with WH release that sent BM/MM over the edge to a point they resulted in ksing and cursing people out prepare for round 2. Btw i will be making a marksman nothing appeals more to me than them[/quote]

LOL. You have an active imagination.

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
MSVeteran05

you guys obviously dont remember what happened with WH release that sent BM/MM over the edge to a point they resulted in ksing and cursing people out prepare for round 2. Btw i will be making a marksman nothing appeals more to me than them

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
ketchup11

[quote=dyan]Does anyone else find a problem with the name 'Wind Breaker'?[/quote]
no, that's obviously why their skills are green, huehuehue

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
zrandom

Please don't lose heart. Although there may be classes with more damage, more survivability, more mobility, more utility, there is no nobler class than the bowmaster. The bows we carry are not implements of warfare and tools for slaughter, they are a status symbol, a representation of the nobility of a class embedded with rich history. On each one of our bows, the knockback percentage is still displayed. This is a memento of bowmasters of the past. The immobility of the class, the inherent squishiness, the slow leveling speed. It was no surprise that the warriors, magicians, and thieves were more popular than the bowman, but there was a certain dignity to training with a melee weapon for most of the early levels until the bowman was finally ready to wield a bow.

However I'm sure we can all remember when the that initial hurricane volley was shot and how we reveled at the most rapid attack in the game. As long as MapleStory exists, I assure you that there will be classes with more damage, more mobility, more utility, etc., but I also assure all the true bowmasters at heart that not all the flashy animations and high damage numbers will ever rival the nobility of our class. Although we have evolved and improved over the years, becoming stronger and receiving a higher quality skill set (Really why did we ever have Vengeance or Hamstring..), our old strength as a struggling class should never fade.

With that, I end this long oration and would like to say that I love all you bowmasters, new and old, and hope that we can all continue to thrive as a class and not give in to the pressure by constantly comparing ourselves to others. Enjoy the beauty of the bowmaster class rather than indulging in the inadequacies found from comparison.

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
bowmushro0m

[quote=lDaze]There's more chances of critical damage.[/quote]

it doesn't work that way lol because the critical damage is still cut in half. so if you weren't hitting at least double the crits, you'd actually be losing damage

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
lDaze

[quote=VileFury]The only thing it would do is kill those event bosses faster that only hit a set amount of damage (Ie Halloween Cat and Frog). That hyper skill doubles the hits but cuts the damage in half. Maxed hurricane is 260% so cut the damage in half 260/2=130. Double the amount of times it hits 130x2=260. Total net gain of 0. [/quote]

There's more chances of critical damage.

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
iloveStabs

Wind Archers look like wimps. The arrows that fly out, look like an Angelic Buster. Wimps.

Reply February 9, 2013 - edited
rydog77

After seeing this, I probably will be quitting my bowmaster

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
thenvs

Manly cape twirling..haha, no.

edit: Also very disappointed that transform is gone. Seems Nexon is taking out every transformation

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
paiaknight

So whats going to happen to my level 120 Wind Archer? will i have to make a new wind archer? if so FU nexon

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
Jamworld

[quote=bluebomber24]Face Palm. I really should start time capsuling these statements. WH released, end of BM, Merc released, end of BM, WA released, end of BM.[/quote]

with the exception of wild hunters, Merc And WA Revamp Definatly ended Bowmasters. you don't see them anymore. Rare as Sins, Pallys, And WH

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
iVege

[quote=PoetryIsMeh]No. Eventually like all new classes the revamped KoC's will be nerfed[/quote]

If so, then they will be the first classes to ever be nerfed following a revamp.

No other class has received a revamp of this scale before, after all.

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
mrcolorado

id jump back on my wind archer for this. looks like wind archers wont be as underpowered as they were before.

Reply February 8, 2013 - edited
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