Shadower boss solo times
Lots of people have been asking lately what range is needed for what, so it'd be a good idea to have a general idea of solo requirements as far as range goes.
Please post your solo times for each of the following applicable bosses along with your level and [b]effective range[/b] (please use the instructions in [url=http://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkWe5O2G3UqTuoXIj5Cjz42wb2ckcv2qnpqq4kgGvC8/edit?pli=1]this[/url] Google Doc to calculate your effective range). All posts are appreciated. I'll post the final ranges in the FAQ in [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2136335/208]this[/url] thread.
[b]EFFECTIVE RANGES, GUYS. PLEASE POST YOUR EFFECTIVE RANGES.[/b]
[header]Horntail - 40% PDR[/header]
@inemnitable: 140k, 22:30
@AngelSpirit: 55k, 32:00
[header]Chaos Horntail - 50% PDR[/header]
[header]Zakum - 40% PDR[/header]
@inemnitable: 140k, 3:00
@S1lv3rw1nd: 43k, 9:00
@Toscox: 834k, 0:48
@iamfull: 37k, 10:00
@Wagner: 53k, 5:00
[header]Chaos Zakum - 50% PDR[/header]
[header]Scarlion - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]Targa - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]Scarlion and Targa summoned at the same time - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]Von Leon - 55% PDR[/header]
[header]Bodyguard A - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]Bodyguard B - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]The Boss - 25% PDR[/header]
[header]BGA, BGB, Boss - 25% PDR[/header]
@S1lv3rw1nd: 43k, 14:30
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[quote=ddsushi]Does chief bandit count @.@
Zakum
117 Chief bandit: 4:49
Effective range: 102k (66k range buffed (62k clean) 95% boss 45% ignore)[/quote]
Not really, since we're trying to find the time for Shadowers, lol.
[quote=iamfull]Why is Critical Rate excluded? (I know that Assassinate and ME can't proc critical effects, but BStep still does! :O)[/quote]
It's excluded because it's nigh impossible to factor into effective ranges with so many different skill combos with skills that crit differently. And ME actually does crit, it just doesn't show up as pink.
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To everyone: if your entry is not included, it does not fulfill the requirements. I don't care if you don't have any % Boss, I still want an effective range because if your ambition is under level 4, then I'll eat my pants.
Horntail; effective range 55k.
Takes me 8-10 minutes to kill both preliminary heads, and 20-25 for the main body depending on how much I get seduced.
zak:41k=5:00
(techincally, its 53k with all pdr/boss/total damage stuff, but yea. it makes ppl feel better lol)
Regular Zak Solo: 16k Range, 35minutes No Boss dmg or nothing
[quote=ItzATrapp]@GunUser:
MA hits twice as much as Hurricane, so in the same time, MA would hit more times than Hurricane. NLs Expert Throwing Star "Grants additional chance to cast without consuming throwing stars or MP" which is basically FA. I noticed it the first time when I was attacking on my NL, and sometimes an extra hit would appear. I'm pretty sure that given max damage on all characters, Phantoms would win because MA hits twice as many times as Hurricane and is stronger than CE, and that Phantom basically spams cards whenever he hits criticals which adds even more. This in terms of 1v1, but also applies to mobbing stationary bosses like Zakum when you use Tempest.[/quote]
From someone who can 100% cap on both characters with as much critical as one should have on both (5% for shadower, 85% on phantom) Critical will only matter for Phantom but anyway, in term of 1v1 I killed bosses faster on my shadower and maybe if I were to have 100% critical Phantom would kill faster. There's nothing to discuss about when it comes to multi target though, Phantom is better and that's what it is.
@GunUser:
MA hits twice as much as Hurricane, so in the same time, MA would hit more times than Hurricane. NLs Expert Throwing Star "Grants additional chance to cast without consuming throwing stars or MP" which is basically FA. I noticed it the first time when I was attacking on my NL, and sometimes an extra hit would appear. I'm pretty sure that given max damage on all characters, Phantoms would win because MA hits twice as many times as Hurricane and is stronger than CE, and that Phantom basically spams cards whenever he hits criticals which adds even more. This in terms of 1v1, but also applies to mobbing stationary bosses like Zakum when you use Tempest.
Hm... haha, I get to feel weak now.
179, effective range of 37K (fully buffed).
Zakum solo time : 10 minutes
I might try to solo Scar/Tar later, that sounds like something fun to do.
Edit : Why is Critical Rate excluded? (I know that Assassinate and ME can't proc critical effects, but BStep still does! :O)
Aw too bad I quit my Shadower.
Anyway before I quit :
191 shadower: 0:48 secs zak.
Effective range : 834k effective range. I think I calculated it right.
Does chief bandit count @.@
Zakum
117 Chief bandit: 4:49
Effective range: 102k (66k range buffed (62k clean) 95% boss 45% ignore)
[quote=ItzATrapp]@omegasereon: I'm pretty sure that other thieves 1v1 skills are faster, if not the same, as carnival edge. I know for certain that Mille Aguiles.. Phantoms 1v1, is much faster as it has been compared as twice as fast as Hurricane, although not as fast as Ishtar's. Phantom Blow is also very strong, and is faster than carnival edge although it has 2 less hits. QT is faster than carnival edge but has way less hits, but Shads don't have a final attack type move, while Phantoms and NLs do.[/quote]
MA is not twice as fast as hurricane. Hurricane is 120 ms and MA is 180 ms...MA is slower. Ishtar is also 120 ms, same speed as hurricane. I also believe carnival edge was already calculated To be more hits per minute than phantom blow, which essentially allows Carnival edge to better than phantom blow when both skills cap. And I
don't keep up with NLs but what final attack move are you referring to...
Also I don't think you get it...assuming cap for all thieves, shadower have the highest dps
35k Range ~ 10min zakum solo
@ShadowSkillz:
For NLs, expert star handling has a proc chance when you're using attack to throw an extra star. For Phantoms, it's whenever they hit a critical, there's a proc chance )65%)to throw a card that does 240% damage. Phantoms FA-type move is super OP because it highest an extremely high proc chance. NLs FA is pretty normal.
Zakum solo. 13k max effective range. Time: 37ish minutes.
[quote=ItzATrapp]@omegasereon: I'm pretty sure that other thieves 1v1 skills are faster, if not the same, as carnival edge. I know for certain that Mille Aguiles.. Phantoms 1v1, is much faster as it has been compared as twice as fast as Hurricane, although not as fast as Ishtar's. Phantom Blow is also very strong, and is faster than carnival edge although it has 2 less hits. QT is faster than carnival edge but has way less hits, but Shads don't have a final attack type move, while Phantoms and NLs do.[/quote]
What final attack are you referring to? Sorry because irnub
@omegasereon: I'm pretty sure that other thieves 1v1 skills are faster, if not the same, as carnival edge. I know for certain that Mille Aguiles.. Phantoms 1v1, is much faster as it has been compared as twice as fast as Hurricane, although not as fast as Ishtar's. Phantom Blow is also very strong, and is faster than carnival edge although it has 2 less hits. QT is faster than carnival edge but has way less hits, but Shads don't have a final attack type move, while Phantoms and NLs do.
@ItzATrapp: Shads technically can be the strongest if they can hit max with carnival edge many times, then meso explode for 15m dmg.
@inemnitable:
I don't disagree that Shadowers are strong, since I pretty much only play thief classes as a preference, but many people blow it out of proportion on how strong Shads are. I think it's good that the thief class has at least one hard hitter, than has less hits for more damage, because most other thief classes are generally the same, with low %dmg and high hits.
They automatically die when they see me cause of my ugliness
@xela:
Whenever I read a thief post comparing thieves, it seems that everyone jumps to that conclusion, based on evidence from Southperry, etc, etc
People say Shadowers are the strongest thief class, but there is no Shadower video that comes close to some of the fastest Dual Blade and Phantom times for bosses... I've even seen some faster NL solos.
38k range, 6 mins by using Nate + ds
[quote=aaronthecow]Why is pink bean not up here[/quote]
Because we're waiting for your solo vid..
OT: I could solo a few bosses later and give you my times.
[quote=MrTouchnGo]Is that your effective range?[/quote]
what's an "effective range" :V
EDIT: oh, saw the OP. will go calculate when i'm done patching
Why is pink bean not up here
Range 48k
Horntail, 30-40 minutes excluding the timer wait
Zakum, about 4 minutes
Pdr 40%
Boss damage 35%
BS to mob
Spam DS-Assassinate single targets
Zakum solo: 19k range, until 2 minutes after I killed arms. After that it was around 16k. Self buffed.
Level 142. 20% PDR +0% Boss damage, with Shadower Instinct.
Max BStep, Shadower Instinct, 12 Dagger Expert, 3 MW, 3 Smokescreen, 5(I think) Assassinate, 8 Venom, nothing else worth mentioning.
Time: Approximately 37 minutes. I ran out of MP potions at 30 minutes, at third body with 1/3rd of its health left.
Reason I have max SI and 12 Expert: I'm too cheap to buy the books.
Meh being a shadower has become too much of a pissing contest for my tastes. Yeah all of maple pretty much has... But eh I digress. I want no part of this.
Zak: 2 minute and 30 sec with 55% bossing with 82k range.
I guess I'll boss a few bosses just so that there is a low attack range person.
Also, maybe add Dojo to this list? Why? Because I say so.
Oh I solo them all within te....
Wait what, I'm no Shad.
Pat led me into the Shad forum :[.
Did you guys try Pb yet?
I really want to know.
[quote=will0700]zak solo:
lv 140
17 range buffed with karma and lv1 instinct
35 minutes? i dunno. 15 minutes left on counter.
no %boss or PDR
max expert, 6 venom, 20 bstep[/quote]
Is that your effective range?
zak solo:
lv 140
17 range buffed with karma and lv1 instinct
35 minutes? i dunno. 15 minutes left on counter.
no %boss or PDR
max expert, 6 venom, 20 bstep
Good Ideas
Changed OP, post effective ranges with PDR taken into account please.
lalalaloopsie
-Leaves space for posting the nooby zakum solo.
I've heard 30k or 35k range is good to solo zak
You should add BGA+BGB+Grandpa Boss(as one boss) and Emperor Toad.
And I guess the horntails, scarlion+targa together, and von leon should have a note:"Need to know how to fight them properly".
As for ranges no idea, never soloed any of these.
Don't lie Pat. You made this thread because you wanna know what range you need to solo Zakum.
The answer is no, you're too nib.