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@cool123ter
>So in other words BS, got it.

Let's stop for a moment and think about how parts of North America are treating their animation. Western animation is being outsourced to Asian countries, the main reason being its cost-efficiency -- what I deduct from that is that the western companies do it for cheaper on the condition that their artists are also paid less. Now let's move onto the numbers I was looking at...
[url=http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-05-15/study-animators-earned-usd28000-on-average-in-japan-in-2013/.87762]The AVERAGE figures aren't as low as what I stated earlier, but the salary is definitely spread out, the the positions below threshold are easily observable[/url]

[url=http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/28/average-annual-income-of-a-japanese-animator-is-about-9200]This number very likely looks at the "in-between" animator's salary.[/url]
My only mistake in the original post was unintentionally referencing a "cherrypicked" data -- but that position also happens to be the larger task force in a company. It seems that secondary key animators (in-between animators) actually DO make salary around $10K USD per year in Japan.

>You aren't adding anything to a topic appealing to the pathos of your readers just by implying that Japanese animators are living in hell. At least back up your statements with facts and don't cry "walking encyclopedia" because someone asked where you pulled numbers out of, which seems so far your ass.

Okay, I'll continue "crying" then. Seriously, your hostile tone isn't needed at all. I was on mobile before but now that I can link properly, I guess you could look over some stuff I've been reading up on:
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2qprjj/i_am_an_animator_from_ny_who_moved_to_japan_and/]Henry Thurlow's AMA session[/url]
[url=http://henrythurlow.tumblr.com/]Thurlow's blog on his works in both America and Japan[/url]

As for the cost of living in Japan, we're getting a fairly broad range of data from the web. There are many factors affecting the cost of living but the average seems to be sitting at $100-125K Yen ($1-1.1K USD/Month) per month. At this rate, these second key animators either lose or barely break even living by themselves.

Now let's compare it with North American numbers:
Junior animator - $37-44K Average
Average Cost of living - $1.2K-1.5K/Person
Deduct our income taxes and you'll still see that North American animators are comparatively well off.

@09080706l:

> I'm not here as a walking encyclopedia but if you're curious can look a bit more into that.

So in other words BS, got it.

> And what's wrong with that? It's nice that more people know about this; I'll still add that North American animators are better off than Japanese anime artists.

You aren't adding anything to a topic appealing to the pathos of your readers just by implying that Japanese animators are living in hell. At least back up your statements with facts and don't cry "walking encyclopedia" because someone asked where you pulled numbers out of, which seems so far your ass.

[url=http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-income-for-a-manga-artist-in-Japan]Funny, 1 short google search shows a user on another forum stating some numbers which are 4x yours and actually backs it up from a source.[/url]

[quote=cool123ter]Maybe source that and state the cost of living in Japan. .[/quote]

I'm not here as a walking encyclopedia but if you're curious can look a bit more into that.

>Not to mention you wrote the life of literally any animator in virtually any country

And what's wrong with that? It's nice that more people know about this; I'll still add that North American animators are better off than Japanese anime artists.

[quote=09080706l]Here's some insight into the anime art industries in Japan; manga artists, animators, they're all basically working in a cell, and unlike North America, most of the things they draw are paid per drawing instead of a fixed or flexible salary. Their long hours are really damaging to the health of the artist especially with the industry's incredibly tight deadlines. A senior animator might get 20 drawings done per day, while a junior animator might get 15 drawings done per day; at around 2-3 dollars per drawing depending on the studio, that's just over $10K USD per year... illegally low and inadequate for living. The only thing that keeps an animator going is their passion for their career, which honestly isn't an adequate excuse for being paid this little.[/quote]

> A senior animator might get 20 drawings done per day, while a junior animator might get 15 drawings done per day; at around 2-3 dollars per drawing depending on the studio, that's just over $10K USD per year... illegally low and inadequate for living

Maybe source that and state the cost of living in Japan. Not to mention you wrote the life of literally any animator in virtually any country.

Detective Conan is still going on?
If they're still going with the pattern of making ~10 episodes out of 100 that are actually relevant to the main plot, they need to stop and just end the dang story.
I stopped following after Akai died and that was like 6 years ago.

Here's some insight into the anime art industries in Japan; manga artists, animators, they're all basically working in a cell, and unlike North America, most of the things they draw are paid per drawing instead of a fixed or flexible salary. Their long hours are really damaging to the health of the artist especially with the industry's incredibly tight deadlines. A senior animator might get 20 drawings done per day, while a junior animator might get 15 drawings done per day; at around 2-3 dollars per drawing depending on the studio, that's just over $10K USD per year... illegally low and inadequate for living. The only thing that keeps an animator going is their passion for their career, which honestly isn't an adequate excuse for being paid this little.

Unless Conan's author is actually going through some serious health issues, I don't feel much sympathy for him. From what I hear, Conan is REALLY taking its time concerning advancing the main plot (Which is why I never got into it since I watched it as a kid), unlike One Piece, whose plot has been moving forward all these years. Its just that... its too damn long. xD

But yea, I can never get mad at Oda taking a break, whether mandatory or of his own choice. I don't freak out about much in general, but I seriously don't know how I would cope if One Piece were unable to be properly completed...

I feel sorry for those authors that get bad anime adaptations.

At least he actually likes his job

yeah.... comic artists and writers get paid jack %#$&!
life of an artist (visual, performing, etc) in general, I guess.

[quote=kaiwatersxd]its sad oda has had this series for like 15 years and i would put the series at 53% near completion being a manga artist is very taxing on ones health he could die any day now and the series would be in limbo[/quote]

Monty Oum
Though you were talking about manga artists

its sad oda has had this series for like 15 years and i would put the series at 53% near completion being a manga artist is very taxing on ones health he could die any day now and the series would be in limbo

[quote=perfectsight]Especially One Piece's Oda and Detective Conan's creator (lol). I'd like them to have peaceful breaks for working so hard to make life-damaging episodes. <3 </3[/quote]

uhh Oda only draws the manga. The animation studios have their own artists that animate the weekly episodes based off of the manga.

no cus they make da bucks.

i feel sorry for oda. i dont know much of the creator of conan. oda is littereally dying. he is the only author i know that the fan base tells him to calm down and that it would be fine if the manga went on break for a couple weeks just for him to rest. i would be happy if he went on break for a month just to give him more years of life.

[quote=0kevqn]I think it's a good thing for the people that work for One Piece. They have a career with an Anime that has hundreds of episodes compared to a 12 episode Anime[/quote]
animators belong to an animation studio. even if the animators finish a 12 episode anime, the studio can still pick another relatively short anime for them to work on.

I think it's a good thing for the people that work for One Piece. They have a career with an Anime that has hundreds of episodes compared to a 12 episode Anime