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@jack0966: Yup 15%, at 98% with SE, gonna try to get a DSE neb before Red.

@Aeon128: gratz!

15%? damn dude if you can manage another 10% on a weapon with bonus pot, and DSE neb you're sorted

@jack0966 Update: i got it tonight after about another 200+ circs! 6.5k+ circs for it WOOT

@Aeon128: yeah man I feeel your pain
I went through a few hundred before I got my 15%

[quote=freezenlight]maybe its just me but even if pdr did increase my damage more i would go with crit just to have 100% lol.[/quote]

the same reason why I suggested the OP to get critical neb instead.

maybe its just me but even if pdr did increase my damage more i would go with crit just to have 100% lol.

@janny1993: even if %atk or %total might be better (which is still debatable), you never gave those as options. the only options currently offered by OP was Crit or %Ignore PDR and so if you reject %Ignore, you're implying you think %Crit will be better, which it is not in any way. plus, as I've shown with Empress PDR, 15% Neb would be >9% "effective dmg increase." %atk nor %total does not go that high with nebs. only %Boss (though if you somehow have more than around 175% Dmg (%boss+%total), 25% Boss neb starts getting worse than %Ignore.

@jack0966: I've gone through 6.5k circs and still no crit rate lol. Having horrible Luck with this.

[quote=GoXDS]@janny1993 your pt was that it's pointless and/or worthless getting more %Ignore PDR, which I was refuting.
@fishyfishyum "effective dmg increase" then? the dmg you're dealing to a monster is going up so I don't see your pt. enemy defense is still another variable in the dmg calculation so there shouldn't be a reason why one variable lets you "increase your dmg" while another doesn't[/quote]

and yes, like I said, getting more %Ignore PDR is not that good since the effect gets lower and lower each time you get more, you are better off getting %attack or %total damage in the end....

Thanks for the feedback guys
I'll get my marksman up for crit, then probably try to farm circs to get some Crit IA
Getting a DSE Neb for my gloves probably won't hurt either

@Aeon128: Indeed

however it is not that much of a struggle to get 100% crit without SE or nebs

I'm nearly there I just need another 10% which I can get from bonus pot.

basically if OP can get 15%+ with inner ability he'd be on his way to achieving this

@jack0966 That depends on if his crit rate is with SE or not, cuz if it is then he would still benefit because of the loss of SE in Red.

@janny1993 your pt was that it's pointless and/or worthless getting more %Ignore PDR, which I was refuting.
@fishyfishyum "effective dmg increase" then? the dmg you're dealing to a monster is going up so I don't see your pt. enemy defense is still another variable in the dmg calculation so there shouldn't be a reason why one variable lets you "increase your dmg" while another doesn't

@souevks in a few patch's time we'll be getting a change to our skills that gives us an additional 5% critical, thus giving you 100% and rendering a crit neb a waste.

get boss

[quote=GoXDS]@janny1993 that's not quite accurate for Bosses. it becomes quite essential to get large sources (not necessarily many) of Ignore PDR. against Empress for example of 120 PDR, your example has ~68% multiplicative ignore. also, %Ignore Nebs has 15% as the lowest...not 7% (%Ignore doesn't get "capped&quot. adding a 15% Ignore Neb bumps up %Ignore to ~73%. against Empress, she initially has ~38.2788% PDR. after neb, she has 32.53698%. that's a whole 9.3% increase in dmg.

what is 4% Crit going to do? assuming SE was factored, Phantom's crit factor before Neb is (0.96*(1.35+1.5)/2 + 0.04) = 1.408 and after is 1.425... a 1.2% increase in dmg.
now we also get more Carte Noire. assuming mille was used, (120% * 2 + (1-0.04*0.04)*200%) = 439.68% which changes to (120% * 2 + 200%) = 440%, a 0.07% boost. factored with crit, that's 1.27% overall boost in dmg. compared to 9.3% with a 15% Ignore PDR Neb.

well let's change it back to the 50% PDR monster (Ancient Golems). Crit boost stays the same. PDR is 15.9495% w/o Neb and 13.55705% w/. that's still a 2.846% boost, much larger than a simple Crit neb. also fyi, even if we only could add 7% Ignore PDR, that's still a 1.328% boost compared to that 1.27% from crit on a 50% PDR mob.

@regardless @souevks
@TrumanB better make sure you have some %Ignore PDR first =P[/quote]

For PDR, it's not a damage increase from your normal damage, you're just hitting more (but still less) on bosses with high DEF.
So let's say you hit 100ks normally, and 50k on Empress. It wouldn't be a 10% increase of damage to hit 110k on her, it'd be 10% less DEF she has.

@GoXDS: All numbers are made up randomly but you get the main point, you can never ever truly ignore 100% of the monster's defense anymore.

Make a marksman for your remaining critical rate and add a PDR neb.

@janny1993 that's not quite accurate for Bosses. it becomes quite essential to get large sources (not necessarily many) of Ignore PDR. against Empress for example of 120 PDR, your example has ~68% multiplicative ignore. also, %Ignore Nebs has 15% as the lowest...not 7% (%Ignore doesn't get "capped&quot. adding a 15% Ignore Neb bumps up %Ignore to ~73%. against Empress, she initially has ~38.2788% PDR. after neb, she has 32.53698%. that's a whole 9.3% increase in dmg.

what is 4% Crit going to do? assuming SE was factored, Phantom's crit factor before Neb is (0.96*(1.35+1.5)/2 + 0.04) = 1.408 and after is 1.425... a 1.2% increase in dmg.
now we also get more Carte Noire. assuming mille was used, (120% * 2 + (1-0.04*0.04)*200%) = 439.68% which changes to (120% * 2 + 200%) = 440%, a 0.07% boost. factored with crit, that's 1.27% overall boost in dmg. compared to 9.3% with a 15% Ignore PDR Neb.

well let's change it back to the 50% PDR monster (Ancient Golems). Crit boost stays the same. PDR is 15.9495% w/o Neb and 13.55705% w/. that's still a 2.846% boost, much larger than a simple Crit neb. also fyi, even if we only could add 7% Ignore PDR, that's still a 1.328% boost compared to that 1.27% from crit on a 50% PDR mob.

@regardless @souevks
@TrumanB better make sure you have some %Ignore PDR first =P

Boss nebs.

Or you could try for an attack/damage Neb~

Oh alright, thanks for the info

Critical obviously, getting 100% PDR is useless now since they are not additive anymore.

PDR now works like this:

Let's say you have 97% PDR consisting of [i]30%[/i] + [i]30%[/i] + [i]30%[/i] + [i]7%[/i]

The monster have [b]50%[/b] Defense Rate.

1) First, you ignore [i]30%[/i] of the monster's Defense Rate.

30/100 x 50 = 15%

You will ignore 15% of the monster's Defense Rate out of 50%.

50 - 15 = [b]35%[/b]

The monster have 35% Defense Rate left.

2) Next, you will ignore another [i]30%[/i] of the monster's remaining Defense Rate.

30/100 x 35 = 10.5%

You will ignore 10.5% of the monster's Defense Rate out of 35%.

35 - 10.5 = [b]24.5%[/b]

The monster have 24.5% Defense Rate left.

3) After that, you will ignore another [i]30%[/i] of the monster's remaining Defense Rate.

30/100 x 24.5 = 7.35%

You will ignore 7.35% of the monster's Defense Rate out of 24.5%.

24.5 - 7.35 = [b]17.15%[/b]

The monster have 17.15% Defense Rate left.

4) Lastly, you will ignore another [i]7%[/i] of the monster's remaining Defense Rate.

7/100 x 17.15 = 1.2005%

You will ignore 1.2005% of the monster's Defense Rate out of 17.15%.

17.15 - 1.2005 = [b]15.9495%[/b]

The monster have 15.9495% Defense Rate left.

5) If you decided to add another 7% PDR nebulite on your weapon instead of critical.

You will ignore another 7% of the monster's remaining Defense Rate.

7/100 x 15.9495 = 1.116465%

You will ignore 1.116465% of the monster's Defense Rate out of 15.9495%.

15.9495 - 1.116465 = [b]14.833035%[/b]

The monster have 14.833035% Defense Rate left.

You will only end up ignoring only 1.116465% of the monster's remaining Defense Rate. Totally not worth it.