Attraction to children vs homosexaulity
With gay marriage becoming more accepted in today's society, one taboo question comes to mind: Why is [Attraction to children] considered a mental disorder whereas homosexuality is something you are born with? [Attraction to children] is a sexual attraction toward children; homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same gender. Obviously having any sexual urges toward children is considered way out of the ordinary, but to have it considered a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is hardly justice considering what many consider an uncontrollable urge much like homosexuality(behavenet). They are even subject to psychotherapy to change(minddisorders). Although there are facilities that will treat homosexuality, these conversion therapies are considered ineffective and pointless while receiving much negative response by the public. To restate the question, [b]Why is [Attraction to children] a mental disorder while homosexuality is something you are born with?[/b].
Now as a note, I do not necessarily agree with [Attraction to children]; but with that said, I do not believe I have any uncontrollable urge towards a child that would make me a suitable candidate to represent a community who better understands and can better explain this side of the argument. So if any basilers with this unique viewpoint, feel free to chime in.
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http://behavenet.com/pe...... -If you cannot fill in the blanks please pm me and I will glady give you the link for citations and further reading.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/pe......html ^^^^
[Attraction to children] - a substitute for a word under the filter
Some misunderstanding I'll address here. I am not talking about the act but simply the urges toward children.
If a person who throughout their life has always had the urge towards children, but felt as to never want to hurt a children and has never acted upon those urges; how does that make them a sick person? Albeit someone in need to be cleansed and purified.
Edit: It's sad that I need to address this; but since many posters think the intent of this thread is to remove the legal statute that prohibits a child from having sex with an adult, I will make a note. In no way do I condone the act of anything that could harm the well-being of a child rather I only address the question that holds contradiction with something deemed appropriate in today's standards. Seriously, read and you won't look like an idiot when you post something mentioned numerously throughout the thread.
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@Vicariously: by not using words like "some" or "most" in your "Where can I find losers with no friends who believe in stupid things?" Statement. It shows that you are generalizing the entire community without thinking.
[quote=Vicariously]First of all, I don't have an opinion about your thread, nor do I care to express my opinions on this subject.
Secondly, I didn't quote you and I didn't directly address you, so I don't know why you think my comment was directed at you.
I was talking about Basilmarket in general, and the people commenting in this thread.[/quote]
Lol your life must be filled with such excitement if it consists of posting in threads you hold no interest in just for the sake of posting. Everyone else must be the losers and not you.
I was one of those people commenting in this thread. Since your initial post was based on an assumption, it's only fair I assume your passive aggressive comment was directed toward me.
@ElCheez: Okay I understand. In a sense anything other than heterosexuality is unnatural and a social disorder. Whereas homosexuality, while still a social disorder, is tolerable because in many cases still attempts the support the "natural" urges of procreation and family. I agree with that; however, your comment does stray off into explaining why the two are different in a sense of biological worth or hereditary worth. (Can't quite find the right words but I'll try to explain it: Homosexuality is better because it still attempts to contribute to raising a family whereas [Attraction to children] can't possibly deliver such a natural obligation due to the nature of its actions) While the question was simply just why the two are considered differences when both seem to have innate urges.
this thread is going as expected
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[quote=Zoneflare4]Then you realize that youre worse than the people that you judge lol[/quote]
No, you are wrong. You're not a psychic because psychics don't exist, so I don't know how you know what I realize.
And I'm not judging anyone, it's simply a fact that there are losers with no friends on Basilmarket, and they believe in stupid things. I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of those people, so there is no judgement on my part.
[quote=Vicariously]Whenever my self-esteem is low or if I'm having a bad day, I think to myself, "Where can I find losers with no friends who believe in stupid things?" And I find myself coming back to Basilmarket all the time.[/quote]
Then you realize that youre worse than the people that you judge lol
[quote=Squeezy]@Vicariously Is the way I worded the question making it stupid or is it just because you don't believe in it, it's wrong? Explain [/quote]
First of all, I don't have an opinion about your thread, nor do I care to express my opinions on this subject.
Secondly, I didn't quote you and I didn't directly address you, so I don't know why you think my comment was directed at you.
I was talking about Basilmarket in general, and the people commenting in this thread.
@Zoneflare4: yup. That's usually how it goes.
society norms and how people view their morality as to viewing what is acceptable and what isn't.
I know one of the teachers at my school married one of his students. they have like a few kids too. i guess that's nice for them, but i wouldn't do it. on the other hand, i used to hang around gay/lesbian/bisexual people in sophomore year.
@jrosen most teenagers know the risks but dont think that it will happen to them until it does then they sit there crying about how unfair life is.
Since it's not a mental disorder, but just like any other fetish, the reason why it's still taboo is because of the act associated with it. If you like foot, then get one or see one being performed. If you like S&M, same applies. For [Attraction to children]? Nope. You can't even share CP.
You've already seen all the posters who misunderstood your question. That should say a little something about the society we live in.
Social clock and different morals.
@Squeezy: I do not consider homosexuality a mental disorder, but I don't think it's something people are born with. That's not to say I can just wake up one morning and "decide to be gay". It's not purely a matter of choice; I do believe certain factors may predispose one to homosexual tendencies, and that the environment and circumstances of one's upbringing may be conducive to homosexual behavior.
If you want a simple answer, I believe homosexuality is a [i]social[/i] disorder rather than a mental one.
I did answer the OP question in saying that attraction to PREPUBESCENT children is NOT something one is born with. Even the urges are unnatural, as it defies our human (that is to say, animal) nature. Now you might say "isn't homosexuality similar in that respect?" My answer is yes and no. While gay couples may not be able to reproduce "naturally" with each other, in many cases homosexual attraction and the desire to have a meaningful relationship, and by extension a family, are not mutually exclusive.
Say, for example, that I am sexually attracted to men and desire a homosexual relationship with another male, but I still have an interest in having a child of my own. As "unnatural" as it may be it is still fitting in the bigger picture of raising children and perpetuating the species, albeit in a skewed, roundabout sort of way. I would say that it is "natural" in the sense that you are attracted to a sexually mature member of the same species, however incompatible your parts may be. This raises questions of gender identity, roles and stuff, which is a whole other can of worms.
I can only say that there is nothing even remotely natural about sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
Homosexuality and paedophilia all fall under the category of SEXUALITY
homosexuality is an orientation which involves gender and whoops I meant paraphilia not fetish, fetish is more specific my bad
Disorders are classified by 3 factors: either 1) it gets in the way of functioning normally 2) causes personal mental distress 3) harms yourself or others
Paedophilia would be the 3rd, so it is a disorder.
Homosexuality is not 100% innate, heck even eye color and skin tone is not 100% innate, and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I don't think people purposely develop it, but there's probably some brain/hormone thing involved.
[quote=SoggyToast]attraction to children borders FETISH, attraction to a gender is sexual orientation
the former is similar to being attracted to Asian girls or leather and the attraction towards these things also are not 100% caused by external factors
you can be a paedophile, and homosexual
nothing is 100% innate or caused from the environment, the nature vs. nurture dichotomy in terms of biopsychology is fallacious because they work together in unison and bounce off each other
your behavior sort of strengthens the wiring in your brain, and your behavior is also determined by wiring (you are born with a predisposition)
the actual attraction to children is harmless, but once acted upon in any way (including viewing child ~pictures~ because children are being used) supports the violation of another human being b/c that human being can't give consent and is being manipulated i.e. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR, NOT THE INNATE ATTRACTION[/quote]
Firstly, thank you for noticing the difference between the act and the simple attraction.
However, I don't quite agree with [Attraction to children] as a fetish. All sexual orientations desire a sense of companionship in one way or another. Why would seeking a child as a companion be different? Although hard for me to say, it is not always a sexual attraction towards children. The word fetish even suggests that it is simply a brought upon arousal towards objects and situations, not people. I'm really not giving much thought into this post since you already get the jist of the question and idea.
Also I do believe there is a monumental effect caused by nature and nurture but a majority of society view it simply as homosexuality being innate and the question is based on this idea.
@SirJayGatsby: You got me there. But that's an argument for another day. The hard fact is that children, (like myself) don't realize the true risks and understand the situation. They may consent. But do they really understand what is required for them? I know I don't. So in my mind heterosexuality cannot be considered a disorder since it is just needed. Where as attraction to children is not needed. It happens but today's society has said that it is not needed. And that's a plain fact. Who knows? Maybe 50 years from now people will be able to have intercourse with minors.
The poor kid that gets scarred.
attraction to children borders FETISH, attraction to a gender is sexual orientation
the former is similar to being attracted to Asian girls or leather and the attraction towards these things also are not 100% caused by external factors
you can be a paedophile, and homosexual
nothing is 100% innate or caused from the environment, the nature vs. nurture dichotomy in terms of biopsychology is fallacious because they work together in unison and bounce off each other
your behavior sort of strengthens the wiring in your brain, and your behavior is also determined by wiring (you are born with a predisposition)
the actual attraction to children is harmless, but once acted upon in any way (including viewing child ~pictures~ because children are being used) supports the violation of another human being b/c that human being can't give consent and is being manipulated i.e. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR, NOT THE INNATE ATTRACTION
[quote=ElCheez][b]It should also be noted that the paedophilia refers specifically to the attraction to PREPUBESCENT children, that is to say before the onset of puberty (typically < 11 years old). That's how the mental disorder is classified, not as general attraction to children under the age of 18. That's a legal matter rather than psychiatric.[/b]
In this sense, attraction to prepubescent children SHOULD, in my opinion, be classified as a mental disorder. The whole idea behind sexual attraction is rooted in biology. Supposedly you're attracted to someone out of a primal desire to mate with them. As such, being attracted to someone who is not a viable candidate for procreation is not normal. That's why I maintain there is nothing wrong with adults having the hots for teenagers, but not 10 year old kids.
It took me a little while to think about this, but at last I was able to come up with something actually worth posting here.[/quote]
So do you consider homosexuality as a mental disorder? I mean you're free to believe so, countless radicals of various religions believe so as well, but be prepared to face much backlash on an issue gaining much support.
Again the question of this thread is why is [Attraction to children] a mental disorder whereas homosexuality is something you are born with. Nothing in this question suggest the approval of having sex with a child but whether or not the URGE for a child should be considered a mental disorder.
Dem Asian girls are real kawaii desu <3
kids arent prepared sexually? theyre kids, attraction to them is understandable, I know im attracted to weird stuff.. you cant judge them but its wrong to have sex with kids because theyre kids and are busy with games and school and stuff like that... and I doubt any kid would want to have sex with an adult.
[quote=valint9]The people that think this is wrong, and gross are probably the same people who would have been racists centuries ago, and homophobes a decade ago. But once the majority of society say it's fine then all of you bandwagoners are gonna join in to not look like a bigot. It's an endless cycle.[/quote]
p3d0phila is wrong, there's a clear difference between p3d0philla and homosexuality, p3d0philla can harm the welfare of a child, who really can't make any sorts of decisions yet because they're young, this point was made before by someone else, but if you have a 34 year old having sex with a 10 year girl, the 10 year old girl is still young, she hasn't grown to the age of making the right decision.
[quote=SirJayGatsby]So anything that is required for humanity to continue surviving cannot be considered a disorder? Death is required for humanity to continue surviving. A lot of disorders end with death. I hope you see the problem here. It makes it clear that disorders can be anything hence why they're so arbitrarily chosen now.
If you consider paedophilia a disorder then any sexuality can be considered a disorder then so can heterosexuality. You'll have to say more about why it cannot be.[/quote]
death is an important requirement for human survival because without death we could never grow and the world would have over 15 billion people living on it
[quote=Snooki]you're disgusting[/quote]
As much as you would think he is trolling(and as much as I wish it to be), he is completely serious.
[quote=Jrosen]Heterosexuality can never be considered a disorder since it's required for the human race to continue to exist.[/quote]
So anything that is required for humanity to continue surviving cannot be considered a disorder? Death is required for humanity to continue surviving. A lot of disorders end with death. I hope you see the problem here. It makes it clear that disorders can be anything hence why they're so arbitrarily chosen now.
If you consider paedophilia a disorder then any sexuality can be considered a disorder then so can heterosexuality. You'll have to say more about why it cannot be.
@NekoChan: How do you know? Sexual orientation is played by both nurture and nature. This would alter your nurture, and could possibly change your sexual attraction to children.
[quote=NekoChan]Definitely. My friend got lucky and got a nice piece of ass for a little sister, yet he doesn't even touch her. I question his sexual orientation honestly, if that was my little sister I'd have to chain myself up.
If a guy can like a guy, why can't I like a 12 year old? Seriously, friggin hypocrites.[/quote]
Creep. Actually, if you had a little sister, you wouldn't even think
There's evidence of prenatal factors towards [attraction to children] and there's strong evidence that sexual orientation is determined by genetics and uterine hormonal factors.
These play out with societal factors to determine sexual orientation; currently the best theory we have.
However, one doesn't hurt people while the other one does.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation]source[/url]
[quote=ClementZ]Because the general consensus is that you're born with homosexual attraction.
[Attraction to children] doesn't quite show up until one is older. Children can be attracted to children, and that's fine because they're the same age. But once you're quite a bit older, it can be assumed to be a mental problem because you're not born with it. (Maybe you are, and it's something that doesn't symptomize until much later)
I haven't really put much thought into it TBH.
Someone brought up consent, but even if both parties consent to it, the older participant is still looked down upon as mentally ill, while the other is assumed to "not have known any better."[/quote]
Nah I get it and it makes a lot of sense. It's difficult to truly determine if [attraction to children] starts at birth or some learned behavior. Nature vs nurture
But at the same time I don't think a 13 year old can truly claim he's gay until they've gotten to an age where they have explored all of their "options" (Not sure how to word it) and is able to make a knowledgeable decision.
But yea...if [attraction to children] is present in adults then proving it being an innate is difficult and leaves room for suspicion. Good stuff
@SirJayGatsby
I only question the reasoning behind [Attraction to children] being considered a mental disorder whereas homosexuality, another form of attraction to something considered abnormal, is something people are born with. My question doesn't really put into question what society chooses to normalize but more as to why if being attracted to [b]x[/b] is normal whereas being attracted to [b]y[/b] is not. And yes I do believe that on an imaginary scale, homosexuality weighs less on public opinion due to the minimal legal restriction. However, that is no excuse to consider [attraction to children] a mental disorder when both hold the same basis of attraction to taboo interests.
And again urges vs action. If a person who throughout their life has always had the urge towards children, but felt as to never want to hurt a children and has never acted upon those urges; how does that make them a sick person? Albeit someone in need to be cleansed and purified.
The question: Why is [Attraction to children] a mental disorder while homosexuality is something you are born with?.
[quote=SirJayGatsby]I'm not sure I understand the question, can anyone clarify?
If it's why homosexuality is being normalized where as paedophilia is being pushed away my response is this: society is now deciding that homosexuality is acceptable and even desired in cases where it's lucrative. Paedeophilia on the other hand is a much tougher pill to swallow. If the argument is made on the basis of "I'm born this way" well people are born with cancer but no one wants that. Thus I see that as a poor justification. What I look at instead is that homosexuality does not damage anyone when it's between two mentally mature individuals whereas paedophilia is damaging in by default because you're doing it with someone who is far from mentally prepared.
Do I think paedophilia should be considered a mental disorder? I don't think so. Why not consider heterosexuality a disorder? The reasoning seems pretty similar. I do think it should not be allowed because the damage it can have on someone who isn't prepared outweights egalitarian concerns.[/quote]
Heterosexuality can never be considered a disorder since it's required for the human race to continue to exist.
I'm not sure I understand the question, can anyone clarify?
If it's why homosexuality is being normalized where as paedophilia is being pushed away my response is this: society is now deciding that homosexuality is acceptable and even desired in cases where it's lucrative. Paedeophilia on the other hand is a much tougher pill to swallow. If the argument is made on the basis of "I'm born this way" well people are born with cancer but no one wants that. Thus I see that as a poor justification. What I look at instead is that homosexuality does not damage anyone when it's between two mentally mature individuals whereas paedophilia is damaging in by default because you're doing it with someone who is far from mentally prepared.
Do I think paedophilia should be considered a mental disorder? I don't think so. Why not consider heterosexuality a disorder? The reasoning seems pretty similar. I do think it should not be allowed because the damage it can have on someone who isn't prepared outweights egalitarian concerns.
@NekoChan well even consent can still get someone charged for statutory "r-word" but yeah kidnapping can be dont for any number of reasons.
[b]It should also be noted that the paedophilia refers specifically to the attraction to PREPUBESCENT children, that is to say before the onset of puberty (typically < 11 years old). That's how the mental disorder is classified, not as general attraction to children under the age of 18. That's a legal matter rather than psychiatric.[/b]
In this sense, attraction to prepubescent children SHOULD, in my opinion, be classified as a mental disorder. The whole idea behind sexual attraction is rooted in biology. Supposedly you're attracted to someone out of a primal desire to mate with them. As such, being attracted to someone who is not a viable candidate for procreation is not normal. That's why I maintain there is nothing wrong with adults having the hots for teenagers, but not 10 year old kids.
It took me a little while to think about this, but at last I was able to come up with something actually worth posting here.
[quote=Cyanight]So you're saying p3d0philia is right? it should be allowed? People kidnapping children, ruining their lives?
You need to think about this legitamitely.
I can understand people saying their kids or others kids are "cute" or "pretty" but seriously, you want a 30 year old creeper being able to have a sexual attraction to some 12 year old kid? What's wrong with you....[/quote]
He isnt trying to say its right. He is asking if its a mental disorder or if its something youre born with.
[quote=ElCheez]In that case, you really need to learn how to communicate effectively. Context, my ass.
A tl;dr is a brief summary of what was posted for those who are too lazy or don't want to read the whole thing.
It'd be like if I posted the whole text of the Emancipation Proclamation, followed by "tl;dr the slaves are free".
How does what you posted imply "it is wrong because you have sex with children" when you just posted "you have sex with children"? Think about it.[/quote]
You got the point
I am in no need to explain further
Have a nice day, good sir
[quote=Chema]you got it all wrong
i didn't mean you, as in YOU, have sex with children
I meant it as in "it is wrong because you have sex with children"
context mah boi[/quote]
In that case, you really need to learn how to communicate effectively. Context, my ass.
A tl;dr is a brief summary of what was posted for those who are too lazy or don't want to read the whole thing.
It'd be like if I posted the whole text of the Emancipation Proclamation, followed by "tl;dr the slaves are free".
How does what you posted imply "it is wrong because you have sex with children" when you just posted "you have sex with children"? Think about it.
[quote=jjgpirate]Is that all you can say? [/quote]
If rping children is not a good enough reason to condemn pdophilia, you have screwed up priorities
[quote=Chema]you got it all wrong
i didn't mean you, as in YOU, have sex with children
I meant it as in "it is wrong because you have sex with children"
context mah boi[/quote]
Is that all you can say?
[quote=ElCheez]I never said that or even implied it. You're just being stupid.
1.5/10 troll harder.
@jjgpirate I understand, which is why I included the on-topic bit at the end. Just wanted to put my beliefs and stance on the issue in the context of my life and work.[/quote]
you got it all wrong
i didn't mean you, as in YOU, have sex with children
I meant it as in "it is wrong because you have sex with children"
context mah boi
So you're saying p3d0philia is right? it should be allowed? People kidnapping children, ruining their lives?
You need to think about this legitamitely.
I can understand people saying their kids or others kids are "cute" or "pretty" but seriously, you want a 30 year old creeper being able to have a sexual attraction to some 12 year old kid? What's wrong with you....
[quote=Chema]TL;DR, you have sex with children.[/quote]
I never said that or even implied it. You're just being stupid.
1.5/10 troll harder.
@jjgpirate I understand, which is why I included the on-topic bit at the end. Just wanted to put my beliefs and stance on the issue in the context of my life and work. What I posted was apropos to the discussion in that I experience attractions and urges just like anyone else. I just don't act on them out of personal responsibility and the need to protect children from harm.
but by being a p3d0, you're harming another person's welfare. i mean it's okay to be attracted to children, i guess ( even though i dont support it ). but that's okayness changes to a crime when you're harming/rh.ping a children because of it.
[quote=Squeezy]@ClementZ @Wallflowers @Snooki
Definitely one of the most common response to this question without further clarification.
I'll clarify this by saying that obviously there will be limitations that will protect the well being of children deemed unfit to make such decisions regarding this matter. But the question attacks the view on the urges not the [b]act[/b]. Why is having this "strange" attraction considered harmful and in need of psychotherapy if a man/woman never acts on their urges.[/quote]
Because the general consensus is that you're born with homosexual attraction.
[Attraction to children] doesn't quite show up until one is older. Children can be attracted to children, and that's fine because they're the same age. But once you're quite a bit older, it can be assumed to be a mental problem because you're not born with it. (Maybe you are, and it's something that doesn't symptomize until much later)
I haven't really put much thought into it TBH.
Someone brought up consent, but even if both parties consent to it, the older participant is still looked down upon as mentally ill, while the other is assumed to "not have known any better."
[quote=ElCheez]To those talking about "child consent", let me explain you a thing:
Even if there is mutual consent between partners, a child under a certain age (which varies by location) cannot [i]legally[/i] consent to a sex act in any situation, and is automatically considered the victim of statutory raep. Age of consent laws provide for some freedom in that regard. For example, in my home state of Florida, an adult age 18-23 may legally have consensual sex with a 16-17 year old minor, but if the adult is 24+ and/or the child under 16, it is a 2nd degree felony.
I had to learn and study this because I am a pre-service secondary (gr. 7-12) science teacher, and it is part of our education and training in law/ethics. This is a topic very relevant to my interests, as I am a 23 year old graduate student who gets eyeballed and/or hit on frequently by underage girls. Not 12 year old kiddies, mind you, but mature sexually active 15-17 year olds.
Am I attracted to some of them? Of course I am. But would I ever do the deed? Hell no. As an adult, I am aware of the laws governing my sexual conduct and protecting children. As a professional, especially one who teaches and mentors children, I am mindful of my ethical responsibility to "protect the student from conditions harmful to learning and/or to the student's mental and/or physical health and/or safety" (per FLDOE).
Re: OP and this thread in general, I think being attracted to children is normal and should not be seen as a mental disorder unless we're talking serial raepists, child molestors, etc. Basically, I would argue that attraction is fine, just as long as you keep it in your pants.[/quote]
TL;DR, you have sex with children.
[quote=ElCheez]To those talking about "child consent", let me explain you a thing:
Even if there is mutual consent between partners, a child under a certain age (which varies by location) cannot [i]legally[/i] consent to a sex act in any situation, and is automatically considered the victim of statutory raep. Age of consent laws provide for some freedom in that regard. For example, in my home state of Florida, an adult age 18-23 may legally have consensual sex with a 16-17 year old minor, but if the adult is 24+ and/or the child under 16, it is a 2nd degree felony.
I had to learn and study this because I am a pre-service secondary (gr. 7-12) science teacher, and it is part of our education and training in law/ethics. This is a topic very relevant to my interests, as I am a 23 year old graduate student who gets eyeballed and/or hit on frequently by underage girls. Not 12 year old kiddies, mind you, but mature sexually active 15-17 year olds.
Am I attracted to some of them? Of course I am. But would I ever do the deed? Hell no. As an adult, I am aware of the laws governing my sexual conduct and protecting children. As a professional, especially one who teaches and mentors children, I am mindful of my ethical responsibility to "protect the student from conditions harmful to learning and/or to the student's mental and/or physical health and/or safety" (per FLDOE).
Re: OP and this thread in general, I think being attracted to children is normal and should not be seen as a mental disorder unless we're talking serial raepists, child molestors, etc. Basically, I would argue that attraction is fine, just so long as you keep it in your pants.[/quote]
Thats what we are discussing,we are not discussing if its illegal/legal that part we know.But we are discussing why it is looked upon differently compared to homosexuality
(in the present) and wether those laws/opinions/ethical views are justified.
Because attraction to a child will almost never be reciprocated and often will lead to abuse of the child.
On a side note: homosexuality used to be listed in the DSM and only recently has been removed as a mental disorder.
To those talking about "child consent", let me explain you a thing:
Even if there is mutual consent between partners, a child under a certain age (which varies by location) cannot [i]legally[/i] consent to a sex act in any situation, and is automatically considered the victim of statutory raep. Age of consent laws provide for some freedom in that regard. For example, in my home state of Florida, an adult age 18-23 may legally have consensual sex with a 16-17 year old minor, but if the adult is 24+ and/or the child under 16, it is a 2nd degree felony.
I had to learn and study this because I am a pre-service secondary (gr. 7-12) science teacher, and it is part of our education and training in law/ethics. This is a topic very relevant to my interests, as I am a 23 year old graduate student who gets eyeballed and/or hit on frequently by underage girls. Not 12 year old kiddies, mind you, but mature sexually active 15-17 year olds.
Am I attracted to some of them? Of course I am. But would I ever do the deed? Hell no. As an adult, I am aware of the laws governing my sexual conduct and protecting children. As a professional, especially one who teaches and mentors children, I am mindful of my ethical responsibility to "protect the student from conditions harmful to learning and/or to the student's mental and/or physical health and/or safety" (per FLDOE).
Re: OP and this thread in general, I think being attracted to children is normal and should not be seen as a mental disorder unless we're talking serial raepists, child molestors, etc. Basically, I would argue that attraction is fine, just as long as you keep it in your pants.
[quote=metaghost4]50 years from now, ped-doh's will be fighting for their rights the same way gays are fighting today. And we'll all be hella conservative in that time.
http://i.qkme.me/3vfexi.jpg[/quote]
Yeah, their right to manipulate and sexually abuse children
@Vicariously Is the way I worded the question making it stupid or is it just because you don't believe in it, it's wrong? Explain
@unknown4576: Idk why do you consider legitimate questions weird?
@aznballing: Behind the God stuff....Yes your actions dictate the punishment, not the urge.
When we say no to God. We give in to sin. Sin takes us to dark dark places where you do or try whatever you want to please your desire.
Hold on to Jesus. It will only get worse...
[quote=braunter123]literally my reaction rn
i don't think i'll come back for at least a week[/quote]
Whenever my self-esteem is low or if I'm having a bad day, I think to myself, "Where can I find losers with no friends who believe in stupid things?" And I find myself coming back to Basilmarket all the time.
[quote=Snooki]woooah there duuude look at all these preggo teens, pretty sure they knew that they probs wouldn't get preggos if they had sex
oh yeaa, what about those teens smoking? I'm sure they know all the health benefits of smoking !
and children bullying other children ? ya they obviously know its right to do so !
/sarcasm[/quote]
With all the information you get these days,they know damn well what their getting themselves into.They either choose to ignore it,hide it in shame because its kinda a taboo subject(kinda why teen pregnancies are more common in places they dont wanna talk about it,its looked down upon.Just because you turn into an adult doesnt mean you magically stop doing things bad for your health,adults still smoke,consume a lot of alcohol,sugar,junkfood does this mean they dont know that its bad for them?Ofcourse they know but they just ignore it and regret it later or just enjoy how they live their life dismissing the possible health problems.Contrary to popular belief peer pressure isnt exlusive to teens and kids either,go try expressing a controversial opinion you will be ridiculed and be isolated from the community(like an ex pastor wants to legalize marijuana in my country,now he is being constantly ridiculed and looked down apon.
You think kids who bully dont know they are hurting other kids...that is EXACTLY why they are bullying.Let me guess... a 12 year old boy who shoots a teacher in the bathroom and runs away doesnt know what hes doing either in your opinion...no comment.
Edit:Sorry for the lack of punctuation.