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I think Evans are one of the most well-balanced classes in the game comparing to everyone else. They are great both as attackers and as supporters. How many other classes can boast this? Not AMs, not Bishops.

[quote=bubblecup118]Also what is with everyone and lines. Unless you hit 50mil+, more lines are the stupidest way to revamp someone.[/quote]

You just love to hate on Evans don't you? Haven't you realized when someone gets revamped they either get more lines, new skill animation, or a crazy big %+?
Why did other classes get more lines on hyper skills but Evans who only have 4 lines stay at 4 lines MAX?

[quote=bubblecup118]Also what is with everyone and lines. Unless you hit 50mil+, more lines are the stupidest way to revamp someone.[/quote]

Not if we're talking a shadow partner type skill. 40% more damage would help us catch up to Kaisers, Xenon, and F/Ps in DPS <3 Then we'd TRULY be legendary. After that, all that'd be left is for Aran, Mercedes, Luminous, Phantom, and the Demon (Both forms, or if just one can make the cut, just his Slayer persona, his Avenger alter ego can suck it) to claim their places at the top of the DPS charts alongside Evan. That way, when the time comes to take the fight to the Black Mage, we'll be ready,

[quote=harrypoter98]Well, I think we have high chance to get a shadow partner like skill cause our lines are limited. I hope we get it [/quote]

Also what is with everyone and lines. Unless you hit 50mil+, more lines are the stupidest way to revamp someone.

Well, I think we have high chance to get a shadow partner like skill cause our lines are limited. I hope we get it

All i ask for is a total animation makeover, alot of classes have had some nice animation changes but we have been the same since the class came out all we got was a speed boost to our skills, although i love Evan it gets boring always seeing the same things over again, maybe just a extra line or 2 to illusion would be nice to be on par with luminous but other than that all i ask for is an animation makeover.

[quote=TheTornado]Evans aren't weak but they aren't strong either.
Our mobbing abilities are pretty good but out bossing abilities can't compete with all these new classes that were released lately (Kaiser and Xenon mostly).
I'd be happy to get a revamp but I think some classes need it more than us. [/quote]

True I would be ok with just extra lines since we only do like 10 lines a second?

Evans aren't weak but they aren't strong either.
Our mobbing abilities are pretty good but out bossing abilities can't compete with all these new classes that were released lately (Kaiser and Xenon mostly).
I'd be happy to get a revamp but I think some classes need it more than us.

[quote=AckarRed]I think Angelic Buster proves that you don't need more lines to be powerful. If anything, I want Evan to have even less lines and more damage so it wouldn't look like a clutterbuck. Also, nerf the Status resistance from Dragon and add it to Onyx Shroud. Relying on most of your resistance on a Summon with a 90 sec cooldown sounds totally retarded and totally detrimental in a bossfight like Magnus or Hetacon.[/quote]
And also make evan slow again. It was funnier tbh. Cuse now evan is fast and even if you do flame wheels in macro their animation wont be complete. its like skipping the half until the end for the full animation.

@AckarRed ABs are a pretty poor example of that considering their main attacks against bosses are Soul Seeker and Soul Resonance and those 2 hit at a fast rate.

[quote=AckarRed]I think Angelic Buster proves that you don't need more lines to be powerful. If anything, I want Evan to have even less lines and more damage so it wouldn't look like a clutterbuck. Also, nerf the Status resistance from Dragon and add it to Onyx Shroud. Relying on most of your resistance on a Summon with a 90 sec cooldown sounds totally retarded and totally detrimental in a bossfight like Magnus or Hetacon.[/quote]

Yeah but Angelic busters have great buffs (Can't name them) and their nw books are cheap while our only m attk buff is blessing of the onyx (that you use)

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[quote=AckarRed]I think Angelic Buster proves that you don't need more lines to be powerful. If anything, I want Evan to have even less lines and more damage so it wouldn't look like a clutterbuck. Also, nerf the Status resistance from Dragon and add it to Onyx Shroud. Relying on most of your resistance on a Summon with a 90 sec cooldown sounds totally retarded and totally detrimental in a bossfight like Magnus or Hetacon.[/quote]

I agree with what your saying but it seems most of the people on this thread wish for more lines since Evans don't have many.

[quote=JETT4h1re]Ok so we want basically a shadow partner like skill so we can have more lines like other classes. I also want a new growth to make Mir bigger and better complete with new skills. I wish Mir would become bigger and resemble Afrien more.

Oh yea i want a skill that lets you fly around on Mir and attack like a badass [/quote]

I think Angelic Buster proves that you don't need more lines to be powerful. If anything, I want Evan to have even less lines and more damage so it wouldn't look like a clutterbuck. Also, nerf the Status resistance from Dragon and add it to Onyx Shroud. Relying on most of your resistance on a Summon with a 90 sec cooldown sounds totally retarded and totally detrimental in a bossfight like Magnus or Hetacon.

Ok so we want basically a shadow partner like skill so we can have more lines like other classes. I also want a new growth to make Mir bigger and better complete with new skills. I wish Mir would become bigger and resemble Afrien more.

Oh yea i want a skill that lets you fly around on Mir and attack like a badass

@stealthediamond: well ill say this from my own experience with my evan which i played a while ago (two years) dragon master are weaker than dragons why? well IMO they are cuz they just hold the sould pact with dragons they can feel the dragon and talk to them even allow the dragon to cast the most powerfull skill but they are like the bridge for dragon to do this... so telling this sounds like they go par on par xP but in some way dragons has the best potential physical and magical higher than dragon master

@NerdOfBera: I would be ok if they just got more lines everyone got 1+ line on some important skill and what do we get? 4 lines on dark fog but each is way weaker

@imadragon777: o lol i guess but im ok with evans atm but a boost would be nice

@NerdOfBera: Not really we have a bunch in Scania

@imadragon777: very hard to find those

@NerdOfBera: what about the funded ones?

@imadragon777 merc are weaker tho D:

@NerdOfBera:kaiser, merc, etc

Evan is seriously the best class! , played an evan in kms for the first time! <3

Evan's should get the biggessst revamp ever!

@imadragon777: we are much more faster than them

[quote=bubblecup118]so many mad evans.

To those who say adventurers got just as many revamps, I'm talking about thieves and pirates. How many revamps after RED? Just 2 and 1 of them is just minor touches

Also how old is adventurers compare to Evan hmm? Looking at KMS dates, adventurers came out in 2002/2003 (official released) and evan came in 2009. 6 years difference and you already got many reamps

if you guys don't want the 80% resistance from a hyper, other classes would happily take it off you. You have it 45 secs out of 80 secs. It is not perfect but better than nothing.

If you got a nerf then its understandable if you guys are annoyed but those who are annoyed at getting improvement even if it is not major ought to wake up[/quote]

Ok let's see I'm not really happy with the 80% resistance from my hyper skill so kaisers can have it! Oh wait they already have 100%...
About thieves and pirates why don't you use warriors, mages, and archers as well? Name the MAJOR Evan revamps also please the only one I can think of is Evan/Aran but of course I haven't been playing as long as some of you so give me some Maple history. I think out hyper skill giving 80% resistance is the only thing good about it since it only attacks every 2-3 seconds and the dmg cap for it is like 1-2m? not sure haven't been able to hit complete cap but the highest I saw consistently was 1.3m or something while everyone else has 5m+ what's up with that? What's this though? Some people can even SPAM their hyper skills (Bam, and Aran). Some have only a 8 SECOND C/d while Evan still have 80 second c/d? This revamp gave Evan more % on their skills, 15% crit/resistance (not from hyper), And 10 m attk (Which I though was nice) when others got huge % + on their skills. Look at Drks one of the worst classes from what I hear now on top of Dpm chart! Isn't that incredible? Don't think Evans could have gotten #1 on dpm even after their huge revamp

so many evans who are hungry

>_>

Level 136 Evan here.
ENJOYING flame wheel.

[quote=NerdOfBera]Honestly im fine with evans with how they are right now my damage is perfectly fine no complaints from me [/quote]

Doesn't it bother you how almost every class have more lines than us though?

Honestly im fine with evans with how they are right now my damage is perfectly fine no complaints from me

[quote=XStrangestX]I honestly think the only thing we are missing is a Shadow partner style skill. If we were to get something like that with at least 60% damage we would be almost perfect[/quote]

Yeah if we had a skill like shadow partner we wouldn't need that big of a revamp because my only problem with Evan is we have few lines compared to other classes. The one class that needed extra lines in hyper skills and they didn't get it wtf nexon?

[quote=bubblecup118]What the heck are you talking about? Are you not happy with 15% status resistance? You have status resistance and 15% of it most of the time.[/quote]

I fixed it for you because I don't think you care enough to actually check Evans revamp and it's only 95% resistance when you have SoD out and you're right you can make it most of the time but I would much rather have % boss and int+ in my card sets.

[quote=elpanaj8]@SkyBreak: dragon and dragon master are linked the soul pact makes them as one the problem is that dragons are stronger than dragon master afrien took the curse so they both could be frozen in time within the ice but freud was to weak to carry the curse over the years :S[/quote]

Actually I think the dragon masters are stronger since they control the dragons but Afrien just took the curse for him

@SkyBreak: dragon and dragon master are linked the soul pact makes them as one the problem is that dragons are stronger than dragon master afrien took the curse so they both could be frozen in time within the ice but freud was to weak to carry the curse over the years :S

@bubblecup118 @stealthediamond

Actually explorers got as many revamps as we did. Evans had Chaos and Unbound (Union KMS). Explorers had ascension (Jump KMS) and Unbound (Union KMS). Both had minor tweaks here and there as well between those major revamps.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we're finally getting some sort of status resistance in our skills. But like @stealthediamond said, 80% of that comes from a summon that lasts 45 seconds, we don't get it until level 170, in which before it was given the status resistence, really served no purpose other than an attack every 3 seconds for 30 seconds (which happens to seem extremely insignificant other than telling when DR on a boss ends).

[quote=juarmo]WRONG! First off, he helped the black WINGS, who at the time, were unknowingly ACTUALLY working to revive LOTUS, and did so UNKNOWINGLY. (Now, the goal of the Black Wings is the goal they believed they had always been working towards, ever since Gelimer overthrew Orchid) He thought he was HELPING people.

Second off, he did much to ruin the Black Wing's plans as well. First, he was foiling the Puppeteer's plans in the beginning of the story, and even AFTER he joined the Black Wings iirc, (the Enraged Golems were AFTER he joined the Black Wings, right?) not realizing that the puppet's master, and the Black Wings by extension, were behind those puppets.
Also, when Afrien made him see the light, he attacked Hiver, and then swore to stop the Black Mage, and avenge the extinction of Mir's species. Not only that, but in the alliance questline, he tried to infiltrate the Black Wings headquarters to get to Hiver.
Finally, he helped foil Arkarium's evil plan, and As an Alliance Member, he answered the call to aid the Helisium Reclamation Squad, as well as Alicia, and to investigate Gelimer's lab, as well as the dreams people were having about the Gate to the Future.

According to the guy who documented everything relating to Maple's story in KMS, Evan is the REINCARNATION of Freud, which means that, in a past life, he DID fight the Black Mage in combat.
There is significant evidence that he was correct, based on the fact that all of the information that you'll find in GMS translations of the story matches up, and then a quote from Maha in the Arkarium prequests implies.
Also, if you don't count that, since it wasn't the same life, he DID face the Black WINGS in battle, which is who he was ACTUALLY helping. Also, he TECHNICALLY fought the Black Mage by fighting his followers, fighting people who REPRESENT him, and fighting against him in the battle to keep the him sealed. Since the Black Mage was fighting to BREAK the seal, and Evan was originally and wound up fighting to SUSTAIN the seal, they were essentially on opposite sides of a fight.

The guy who you quoted said "fight the black mage", not specifically in direct combat, and he also stated "TO fight" which could imply it hasn't happened yet.[/quote]

You mention that fightning against the Black Wings is "technically" fighting the Black Mage, but at the same time you say that helping the followers is not helping the Black Mage. Have I ever seen such a flawed argument...

FYI, "fight" is a much more specific word compared to "help". If I had to argue, Evan did not fight the Black Mage, but he did help him.

Evan fighting against the Black Wings doesn't change anything. Sounds like you're butthurt that I hurt your Evan pride and you're finding feats and deeds to compensate.

@bubblecup118: Are you stupid? Explorers have had a major revamp before but name the 2-3 times Evan had a major revamp the only time I can think of is the Evan/Aran revamp a while back and I do have a DrK I plan on comparing it to my Evan once they both get the 150 hyper skill and revamp. Btw 95% status resistance is only when we summon the onyx dragon for like 40 seconds and c/d of 80 seconds other than that we just have 15%

[quote=bubblecup118]What the heck are you talking about? Are you not happy with 95% status resistance? You have status resistance and 95% of it most of the time.

I don;t rely on DPM/DPS charts because they cannot portrayed real maplestory situation. After RED, please make a DrK and boss with it with an evan and you tell me if the differences is as great as you think it is.

Evan did get 2-3 majors revamp before, evan does not need a major revamp. The reason why explorers got it is because they NEVER EVER HAD ONE[/quote]

95% Resistance sounds amazing but most of it is from the summon. If you die or move to another map the summon will go away until the cd is finished. Take into account the amount of instant killers and teleportation that end game bosses do it's actually kind of unreliable. Not to mention it's only about 56% of the time.
But I guess if you're going up against those end game bosses you'll have a bunch of binders anyway so abnormal status and teleporting isn't much of an issue to begin with.
"cannot portrayed real maplestory situation" <- Remember. You said this.

Also wasn't Jump/Ascension (After Chaos) and Justice/Rengades revamps for Explorers? o.o

[quote=stealthediamond]Yes Evans DID get touched a little (except for the status resistance) but if you look at other revamps it's not really worth mentioning I mean look Drks are on top of dpm chart, Nl beat us at dmg, everyone got some major revamp except for the "op" chars already half the classes beat DB in dpm[/quote]

What the heck are you talking about? Are you not happy with 95% status resistance? You have status resistance and 95% of it most of the time.

I don;t rely on DPM/DPS charts because they cannot portrayed real maplestory situation. After RED, please make a DrK and boss with it with an evan and you tell me if the differences is as great as you think it is.

Evan did get 2-3 majors revamp before, evan does not need a major revamp. The reason why explorers got it is because they NEVER EVER HAD ONE

[quote=SkyBreak]Yeah, i failed on the freud=evan part, but i dont think he died by the black mage, since it was afrien who took the curse instead of freud[/quote]

Yeah I think Afrien is just trapped in ice but if you do the Evan quest you break the curse.
@Deadly1337 Wtf are you talking about we did do our job as a hero if you did the Evan quest you would know. We helped Aran beat the black mage but we are still probably one of the weaker classes after Red seems legit but why didn't explorers just beat the black mage if he was that easy since we are gonna be weaker than most?

[quote=bubblecup118]Why do people seem to think RED was the only balancing patch in the last 6 months. Evan did get touched

[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/kms-ver-1-2-191-soul-weapons-and-mercedes-phantom-balancing/]Mercedes and Phantom[/url]
[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/kms-ver-1-2-191-soul-weapons-and-mercedes-phantom-balancing/]Wild Hunter, Aran, Evan, Mercedes, Phantom, Nova, and Xenon[/url]
[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/kms-ver-1-2-195-job-balancing-riena-strait/]Battlemage, Aran, Evan, Mercedes, Luminous, and Xenon[/url]

There, 2 patches with evan[/quote]

Yes Evans DID get touched a little (except for the status resistance) but if you look at other revamps it's not really worth mentioning I mean look Drks are on top of dpm chart, Nl beat us at dmg, everyone got some major revamp except for the "op" chars already half the classes beat DB in dpm

[quote=pikalachu]yea but in RED, i dont think they even touched Evan at the moment.
as much as i think that Evan dont need a revamp to be stronger, im pretty much 90% sure that they gonna get revamped either a lil after RED or at the end of RED.
so yea, do expect a revamp or some % dmg bonuses for Evan.[/quote]

Why do people seem to think RED was the only balancing patch in the last 6 months. Evan did get touched

[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/kms-ver-1-2-191-soul-weapons-and-mercedes-phantom-balancing/]Mercedes and Phantom[/url]
[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/kms-ver-1-2-191-soul-weapons-and-mercedes-phantom-balancing/]Wild Hunter, Aran, Evan, Mercedes, Phantom, Nova, and Xenon[/url]
[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/kms-ver-1-2-195-job-balancing-riena-strait/]Battlemage, Aran, Evan, Mercedes, Luminous, and Xenon[/url]

There, 2 patches with evan

@pikalachu: They did revamp Evans a little by giving them like a 20% dmg boost on every skill and 5% more crit I think I'm not sure and either 90 or 95% status resistance

[quote=elpanaj8]actually, Evan helped the Black Wings to brake the seal the Black Mage has

@SkyBreak it was Freud not Evan... Evan never met the Black Mage and Freud died fighting the black mage while afrien had a baby (Mir) if u do the crusader codex quest u can see is Evan the one who go to the past and save Mir while Afrien tells him what he must to do xD[/quote]

Yeah, i failed on the freud=evan part, but i dont think he died by the black mage, since it was afrien who took the curse instead of freud

[quote=iVege]Actually, Evan helped the Black Mage.

He has never even faced the Black Mage in battle.[/quote]

actually, Evan helped the Black Wings to brake the seal the Black Mage has

@SkyBreak it was Freud not Evan... Evan never met the Black Mage and Freud died fighting the black mage while afrien had a baby (Mir) if u do the crusader codex quest u can see is Evan the one who go to the past and save Mir while Afrien tells him what he must to do xD

[quote=iVege]Actually, Evan helped the Black Mage.[/quote]

WRONG! First off, he helped the black WINGS, who at the time, were unknowingly ACTUALLY working to revive LOTUS, and did so UNKNOWINGLY. (Now, the goal of the Black Wings is the goal they believed they had always been working towards, ever since Gelimer overthrew Orchid) He thought he was HELPING people.

Second off, he did much to ruin the Black Wing's plans as well. First, he was foiling the Puppeteer's plans in the beginning of the story, and even AFTER he joined the Black Wings iirc, (the Enraged Golems were AFTER he joined the Black Wings, right?) not realizing that the puppet's master, and the Black Wings by extension, were behind those puppets.
Also, when Afrien made him see the light, he attacked Hiver, and then swore to stop the Black Mage, and avenge the extinction of Mir's species. Not only that, but in the alliance questline, he tried to infiltrate the Black Wings headquarters to get to Hiver.
Finally, he helped foil Arkarium's evil plan, and As an Alliance Member, he answered the call to aid the Helisium Reclamation Squad, as well as Alicia, and to investigate Gelimer's lab, as well as the dreams people were having about the Gate to the Future.

[quote=ivege]He has never even faced the Black Mage in battle[/quote]
According to the guy who documented everything relating to Maple's story in KMS, Evan is the REINCARNATION of Freud, which means that, in a past life, he DID fight the Black Mage in combat.
There is significant evidence that he was correct, based on the fact that all of the information that you'll find in GMS translations of the story matches up, and then a quote from Maha in the Arkarium prequests implies.
Also, if you don't count that, since it wasn't the same life, he DID face the Black WINGS in battle, which is who he was ACTUALLY helping. Also, he TECHNICALLY fought the Black Mage by fighting his followers, fighting people who REPRESENT him, and fighting against him in the battle to keep the him sealed. Since the Black Mage was fighting to BREAK the seal, and Evan was originally and wound up fighting to SUSTAIN the seal, they were essentially on opposite sides of a fight.

The guy who you quoted said "fight the black mage", not specifically in direct combat, and he also stated "TO fight" which could imply it hasn't happened yet.

Did you just answer your own question.....

[quote=SkyBreak]He help luminous to seal the black mage, and he also sealed off time around the black mage.[/quote]

Say what?

I think the only things we're missing is 1/1 protection, undispellable MG like the rest of the mages, and quick/reliable vertical movement.
They just need to make Magic Shield and Onyx Will be able to protect 1/1. Or go even further and make it lower all %-based damage. Well I guess that is what Zero is for.
Oh and make Dragon Flight not get restricted in areas where mounts are not allowed.

Also I don't think lines are much of an issue. I mean are there that many people hitting the cap with Illusion and FW? It seemed like Nexon was trying to lower the amount of lines anyway during Explorer revamps.
FW and Blaze could use 1 extra line though.
Blaze should get a revamp or something. Maybe make it have a great vertical range but horrible horizontal so it's not as powerful as Lumi's. Or change it completely. *shrugs*