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[quote=Chaltire]What have you guys heard on paladins? I heard they're pretty nice, but haven't heard completely. Also, sorry to steal, but should I save my 20 odd books for RED incase any of them don't work afterwards? For trade-off with nx admin[/quote]

Pally is too good now.

Defences have increase a lot. Shield mastery for example from 200% --> 250%.

Also you now have more party skills

You are like a semi bishop and can res people

Your 1 vs 1 is powerful too

Phantom

no man u gotta make completely new characters

What have you guys heard on paladins? I heard they're pretty nice, but haven't heard completely. Also, sorry to steal, but should I save my 20 odd books for RED incase any of them don't work afterwards? For trade-off with nx admin

@bluebomber24: I don't look at the ranks but I was trying to answer this guy's question as best as I could.

@Sinboy50000 I think Shad wins.

@TheDStar: But like whos better in terms of damage? who will out damage who? :c

Go for BM, or just go for Phantom and steal Arrow Platter. I'm surprised no one ever said that o.o

[quote=Sinboy50000]I just wanna know is NL>shad after red or vice versa?

OT: I think Drk's are.[/quote]
Well, Shads did get a better revamp than NL...

[quote=BaconMmm]....About time us original mage classes get something new.[/quote]

Lol about time? You have had several revamps which did give you new skills.

Thieves/Pirate should of gotten an semi overhaul as well. Anyone that refers to Justice is ignorant as that came in KMS in 2011. On the other hand other explorers had revamp for Jump!, 1 month earlier than Justice and another one in the same patch/later patch then Justice

@UAHeroV That theory damage chart has so many flaws.

Example for bishop why would you use BB for 1 on 1. Angel ray (once Level 150 with hyper) hits 365% X 8. Factoring delays etc it is way better than BB anyway, so bishop theory % would be higher than that

I just wanna know is NL>shad after red or vice versa?

OT: I think Drk's are.

@UAHeroV
@fradddd

Drks arn't really number #1 once Boss/Total and normal speeds come into play.
Kaisers arn't really number #1 when physical resist comes into play, not to mention constant Wingbeat is nowhere near the optimism that charts portray.

I don't even know why people look at ranks.

[quote=Lecarde]The whole point of RED is to make it so that there isn't a 'strongest adventurer class' anymore or at the very least to minimalize the difference between the strongest and weakest so that it balanced like they used to pre BB[/quote]
Not really.

[quote=Lecarde]Yea but weren't kaisers getting nerfed down when Xenon was also?[/quote]

[url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F937349-New-POST-RED-DPS-Chart]Nope[/url]

[quote=UAHeroV]not even close. only dark knights are better than kaisers and we still ignore damage reflect most of the time[/quote]

Yea but weren't kaisers getting nerfed down when Xenon was also?

@UAHeroV: Blah blah blah blah mi mi blah. Blah blah blah blah mi mi mi.

[quote=fradddd]Yes everyone will be revamped lol.

And so far it seems like Dark Knight will be the "strongest", but it also seems like every Adventurer will be stronger than Kaisers are right now.[/quote]

not even close. only dark knights are better than kaisers and we still ignore damage reflect most of the time

Yes everyone will be revamped lol.

And so far it seems like Dark Knight will be the "strongest", but it also seems like every Adventurer will be stronger than Kaisers are right now.

The whole point of RED is to make it so that there isn't a 'strongest adventurer class' anymore or at the very least to minimalize the difference between the strongest and weakest so that it balanced like they used to pre BB

Regardless of who is stronger NL will still be the most fun to play XD

....About time us original mage classes get something new.

dark knights are #1 on the new lists

It should Revamp all the explorers. People think the Pirates will get the smallest part of the update.

I highly recommend you do not play a class based on highest damage output (in theory)

Doesn't work like that

Vamp? Are you really that lazy to type in revamp instead?
OT: Only explorers, including DBs and Cannoneers. Dark Knights.