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[quote=kiirori]idk why you guys think comparing GT to 10 episodes of Super is logical or fair. GT overall wasn't very good, Super so far isn't very good (mostly due to the animation). but we know the golden frieza arc is coming up and that's gonna bring hype to Super.

i don't know how much futher the manga is but i really hope they power up gohan.. probably not gonna happen.[/quote]

it's gonna bring hype and disappointment for sure. that is, assuming people still have expectations for the series.
not just gohan, they should power up all the other characters who were once considered "strong" (including Piccolo)

idk why you guys think comparing GT to 10 episodes of Super is logical or fair. GT overall wasn't very good, Super so far isn't very good (mostly due to the animation). but we know the golden frieza arc is coming up and that's gonna bring hype to Super.

i don't know how much futher the manga is but i really hope they power up gohan.. probably not gonna happen.

pacing was always bad for dragonball iirc. super seems no different
the story doesnt interest me, but that may be because i've seen the battle of the gods movie. if i hadnt seen the movie im not sure what i'd think of the story

animation was TERRIBLE for ep 5. wasnt stellar for everything else, but it was at least tolerable
i like the sub voices, even kai's. it's funny watching him yell on screen and talk in a perfectly calm voice. goku's girl voice doesnt bother me for some reason
the 15 minute transformation was too long, but it was the best the animation's ever been in the series. could cut it down a bit, but not complaining
super's okay

mai is reaaaaally really cute

@blisshd Kk yeah I kinda agree with you, still gonna watch it though even if purely for nostalgic reasons.

[quote=trueatheist]I don't get why you think Super isn't entertaining.. In the first couple episodes you already saw Goku to SSJ3 and test his powers against Beerus, you saw Trunks/Goten fuse into Gotenks, you saw Fat Buu fighting, you saw Tien/Piccolo/18 fighting, you saw Vegeta go SSJ2. They're incorporating all the characters which I think is fantastic. Don't really understand where your hate is coming from.. like what are you expecting? Super so far has been amazing and has been action packed and showing great character development. Comparing it to GT is laughable, Super is made by Akira Toriyama, any real DBZ fan would realize this and respect where he has taken the show.[/quote]

Lol, okay. I guess entertaining = horrid pacing and bearly tolerable animation (I will never forget Episode 5) for you. Like the last episode was basically 10 minutes of Shenron and 10 minutes of transforming... And claiming that Super has shown any real character development is humorous, but I won't get into that, since DBZ is the last show you watch for actual character development. But hey, everyone has their own opinions, so whatever I guess. If I was still a little kid, I probably would just shut up and watch it. But I'm not. I'm older, and the obvious flaws are just truly too hard to ignore. I honestly don't really even care about comparing it to GT or any other series; on its own, its just currently a bad show, only being held up by all the nostalgia that people clearly still gave for it. A "real DBZ fan" IMO doesn't blindly love all iterations of DBZ just because, or is forbidden to say anything negative about it. Get over yourself.

Once again, once the 6th Universe starts I guess I'll come back to it, but I just can't be bothered to continue watching this right now. The movies were good enough.

@leopard16

If you can't see the problem with a show that needs around 10 more episodes to (maybe) become interesting, then there is nothing more to say.

[quote=bloodisshed]super have too much [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBI3uTKIzKw]QUALITY[/url] for my taste.[/quote]

Damn I didn't realize the animation was really that bad in it til I saw those comparisons lol.

super have too much [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBI3uTKIzKw]QUALITY[/url] for my taste.

[quote=blisshd]Is it that hard to comprehend? Super is currently worse than this. GT was bad, but at least the start was intriguing. Super on the other hand is barely amusing, as the nostalgia is the only thing keeping most people in for the long haul. Obviously I'm not going to compare a completed series to a non-finished one, so I have no idea why you are. I'm only talking about the beginning of each series.[/quote]

I don't get why you think Super isn't entertaining.. In the first couple episodes you already saw Goku go SSJ3 and test his powers against Beerus, you saw Trunks/Goten fuse into Gotenks, you saw Fat Buu fighting, you saw Tien/Piccolo/18 fighting, you saw Vegeta go SSJ2. They're incorporating all the characters which I think is fantastic. Don't really understand where your hate is coming from.. like what are you expecting? Super so far has been amazing and has been action packed and showing great character development. Comparing it to GT is laughable, GT isn't even canon so I don't even know why it's in this discussion. Super is made by Akira Toriyama, any real DBZ fan would realize this and respect where he has taken the show.

@leopard16 The adventure was already happening 9 episodes into GT. No notable training has happened yet in Super, so I can't judge it. However, if I recall correctly from the movie, SSG is handed to Goku like candy and he already came close to beating Beerus with it.

I follow the 3-5 episode rule because I don't have that much free time. Most anime these days can tell a complete story in 12-25 episodes. If Super needs 20 episodes to get good, then it has bad pacing.

I empathize with the underpaid animators in Japan, but not being used to the character designs isn't a good excuse, and it doesn't change the quality of the finished product (which is what we're judging). Hunter X Hunter and Jojo are two examples of modern long running shounen that look consistently good, with characters that are almost always on model. Toei cheaping out on one of the biggest anime franchises out there makes the negative criticism well deserved.

[quote=amuro]Super's bad, and I dropped it for now.

@leopard16 Searching the universe for dragon balls sounds a lot more interesting because there's an element of adventure to it. Goku getting his butt kicked by a new antagonist just the standard battle shounen power creep, and it's happened many times before. Super Saiyan/Cyan God is a lazy design, and inferior to Super Saiyan 4.[/quote]

Conversely, watching Goku train and overcome his obstacle (defeating beerus) can be just as amusing as watching an adventure. It all depends on the individual. However, Goku only got his ass whooped twice. Against raditz, and Feiza. He is arguably the strongest person in the universe and he lost. Against a [b]god[/b]. He won't be beating beerus any time soon so it's not as standard as you may believe.

Not going to lie, DBS is boring atm, but is that really shocking? 99% of all anime start off boring, remember hitman reborn? I'd say, give it maybe 10 more eps max and it'll catch it's stride. As for the art & animation, the people working are probably totally unfamiliar with the DBZ character designs so can you really blame them? They also have to work on other anime as well, DBS doesn't receive any special treatment.

Super's bad, and I dropped it for now.

@leopard16 Searching the universe for dragon balls sounds a lot more interesting because there's an element of adventure to it. Goku getting his butt kicked by a new antagonist just the standard battle shounen power creep, and it's happened many times before. Super Saiyan/Cyan God is a lazy design, and inferior to Super Saiyan 4.

[quote=blisshd]Is it that hard to comprehend? Super is currently worse than this. GT was bad, but at least the start was intriguing. Super on the other hand is barely amusing, as the nostalgia is the only thing keeping most people in for the long haul. Obviously I'm not going to compare a completed series to a non-finished one, so I have no idea why you are. I'm only talking about the beginning of each series.[/quote]

the idea of goku being shrunk and forced to scatter the entire universe for dragon balls was more interesting than goku meeting a god of destruction, getting his ass whooped, and unlocking a new saiyan transformation? ok den lol

and yeah, i don't like to be prejudice but super will in fact be better than dbgt, that's fact. After all it is created by the original author, unlike gt.

[quote=leopard16]Pls tell me ur joking. GT was trash. the beginning and ending were good but everything in the middle was just </3 </3 </3

OT: the series will be 100x when it'll be dubbed; which won't be too long, I heard Funimation got the rights to DBS.[/quote]

Is it that hard to comprehend? Super is currently worse than this. GT was bad, but at least the start was intriguing. Super on the other hand is barely amusing, as the nostalgia is the only thing keeping most people in for the long haul. Obviously I'm not going to compare a completed series to a non-finished one, so I have no idea why you are. I'm only talking about the beginning of each series.

GT was pretty interesting. Not Trash at all. All the different arcs were really good.

I tried to watch it but I wouldn't handle the horrible sub. *Waits for dub.*

[quote=blisshd]GT is much better so far lol[/quote]

Pls tell me ur joking. GT was trash. the beginning and ending were good but everything in the middle was just </3 </3 </3

OT: the series will be 100x when it'll be dubbed; which won't be too long, I heard Funimation got the rights to DBS.

[quote=trueatheist]Bruh GT was horrible and it ain't even canon. [/quote]

Which is why its so sad that Super is even worse at the moment.

Im not digging the new series so far...though it could be due to me already watching the new movies... I'll always stay a dbz fan til the end though

dropped after watching episode 3 or so. the art/animation in episode 5 was so bad, it was hilarious. they didn't even try to make the fight look anywhere near decent.

[quote=blisshd]GT is much better so far lol

I'll wait for the Sixth Universe arc or w/e to pick this show up again, but its been really bad so far. The nostalgia wore off by the time I reached the 3rd episode, and the godawful episode 5 just eradicated what remained. I feel like everyone is just better off seeing the movies, which at least condense all the fluff and clearly do a much better job with the animation and fights.[/quote]

Bruh GT was horrible and it ain't even canon. The movies definitely do a good job of condensing everything but the point of the show is to go way more in-depth and explain everything better.

@wolfexe Goku's authority.

What makes this official? On what authority?

GT is much better so far lol

I'll wait for the Sixth Universe arc or w/e to pick this show up again, but its been really bad so far. The nostalgia wore off by the time I reached the 3rd episode, and the godawful episode 5 just eradicated what remained. I feel like everyone is just better off seeing the movies, which at least condense all the fluff and clearly do a much better job with the animation and fights.

Shenron being scared and revering Beerus was pretty predictable. I quite like the series, the transformation could've taken less time, seems like a complete waste of animation. They basically just copy and pasted the scenes again and again to fill up time.

Waiting for the dub. Can't take Goku, Goten and North Kai's Voices.

ehh, for the current arc the movie is better in every way
i dont really care about anything right now other than getting to the new stuff which is still a ways away, i'd imagine that the beerus fight will last one maybe 2 episodes at the most then we can get on to Golden Frieza Arc
i do have to say that the animation style looks off to me, it looks newer/cleaner but simple, like there is no detail, so i prefer the old DBZ style where everything looked better