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Do Shadowers and Dual Bladers have decent Hp?

I want to make one of the 2 and wanted to know which has better survivability HP and avoidability wise? I wont have much funding. Thanks =]

September 4, 2014

17 Comments • Newest first

halosiel

DBs have amazing avoid, but when they get hit, they get [i]trucked.[/i]

Shads have pretty good avoid still, but they have meso guard and shield mastery to fall back on when they *do* take shots.

Reply September 4, 2014
iDivideZer0

@DeathnoteKid: Didn't say DB doesn't have any avoid, I said they don't have any dodge rate. The skill descriptions on DB skills are wrong, if it says dodge rate it means avoid. This has been discussed many times in past threads in both Basil and Southperry.

Reply September 4, 2014
TripleBladez

@DeathnoteKid: There's two kinds of Avoid: Evasion Rate and Dodge Rate.

DB: 70% Evasion Rate
Shad: 20% Evasion Rate, 45% Dodge Rate

Shad's have the slight edge in Avoid mainly due to the fact that Evasion Rate as a whole caps at 90%, where as Dodge Rate can be extended upon that. As for survivability, Shad's take the cake with 60% Damage Reduction from Meso Guard. However, bosses that do % HP attacks will disregard any Avoid/Damage Reduction for the most part.

Reply September 4, 2014
DeathnoteKid

@iDivideZer0 Db's do have avoid my son rouge gives you a passive 15% avoid, Shadow meld gives 30% passive doge Chance, another 15% avoid from dagger/katara mastery,and another passive 25% avoid mirror Target which also gives 60% def/mdef.

Reply September 4, 2014
eerie

As a shadower I can't remember the last time I died to something that wasn't a 1hko or DR. Meso guard reduces damage by 60% and I rarely get hit at all. With enough luk you can max your avoid at 9999 and have a 45% dodge rate. You should just assume your wep def is at 9999 too because it's way too easy to max it.

Reply September 4, 2014
SunsetChaos

there's also smokescreen and iframes
Maybe db are better with some fundings, but with [i]extreme[/i] funds shadowers are beyond godly

Reply September 4, 2014
iDivideZer0

Shadower's amazing survivability isn't based around a high HP, it's because we have a skill called meso guard that prevents us from losing much HP. And we also have a decent amount of avoid (not as much as DB in comparison) and 45% dodge rate (which DB doesn't have)

Reply September 4, 2014
lpfan1111

I'm lvl 206, and have 27k hp

Reply September 4, 2014
epikkhighh

we are top 4 in tankiest classes. i have 25.6k hp at 204. prolly 26k if i had a kaiser link skill...

edit: im a shadower

Reply September 4, 2014 - edited
xMyAran

[quote=Senpqi]With low funds Shadower is the one to pick, Dual blade are not that good without large amounts of funds and shadowers are tanks and hit very high numbers without funds.[/quote]

alright so i guess ill make a shad with lower funds

Reply September 4, 2014 - edited
powerlad88

I have 21k hp and pretty high avoid.

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Chaoeze

Shadower=HP
Dual blade= avoidability

Reply September 4, 2014 - edited
xMyAran

[quote=SpiritBag]I have 25k hp[/quote]

Level? Guess im just not sure whether to make a shadower or DB with little funds lol

Reply September 4, 2014 - edited
SpiritBag

I have 25k hp

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xMyAran

[quote=CherryTigers]Shadowers are tanky so they have lots. DB's have low hp until you get stronger and your avoidability starts to shine.[/quote]

oh i see. do u know when the high avoid really kicks in?

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LitheMovement

Everything has decent HP nowadays. Even beginners and mages.

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CherryTigers

Shadowers are tanky so they have lots. DB's have low hp until you get stronger and your avoidability starts to shine.

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