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[quote=haxdragonica3]LOL. You clearly don't understand how hackers operate. Only stupid hackers would exploit chaos scrolls and leave them in their inventory to get rolled back. I made 5b, bought items, and stuck them in mts. Rollback does not rollback affect mts therefore a rollback would only have prevented legits from getting pwned. There you go! Now you can stop skipping around thinking rollback would affect hackers. No need to thank me for fixing your ignorance (;[/quote]

You think they havent picked up on that already? ( if they havent, they are dum ).
But the ball is in their court. If they know about how hackers get rid of rollback, theyd just disable the MTS, and all items that are on there go back to their owners.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW?

Nexon as a company is supposed to fix any illegal item introduced to the game. What was introduced in this exploit? Coins which in turn got Chaos scrolls/pink scrolls/Maple weapons. What they're doing is trying to get rid of those items. They don't rollback because no mesos we're introduced in the game. Some may have lost mesos and some may have gotten mesos, but no NEW mesos were added. It was your fault for buying the exploited items, you guys made a bad decision, thats it. Its not Nexons responsibility to help you make good decisions, thats up to you. Its their job to get rid of all illegal items, which they are doing. It makes perfect sense.

[quote=Dilbert868]whatever. If I end up getting banned, then I'm gonna start hacking. Tomorrow night I'm gonna transfer all my main equips and such to my friends just incase. If I don't get banned, then I'm not gonna hack. I already have 3 RL friends who started hacking a couple days ago, so if I do get banned then they're ready to help me get the hacks setup since I have no idea what I'm doing lol[/quote]

Hold up playa I might be joining you in that adventure.

whatever. If I end up getting banned, then I'm gonna start hacking. Tomorrow night I'm gonna transfer all my main equips and such to my friends just incase. If I don't get banned, then I'm not gonna hack. I already have 3 RL friends who started hacking a couple days ago, so if I do get banned then they're ready to help me get the hacks setup since I have no idea what I'm doing lol

[quote=vicioms]I used the exploit, i got about 3B.
And now, i got 1k nx on each account i made for the exploit, hahah thank you nexon, i just used them for gacha and transfer to my main.
So sorry for your lost of mesos legits ;D[/quote]

You people who think that nexons decision was correct, read what this guy posted. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. HACKERS WIN, AND LEGITS LOSE MONEY. so don't say anymore Bull crap about how people deserve this, because you cant make mesos back but u can make levels back easy with those 2x events. NOW LOOK< hackers get billions of mesos and they get 1k on each account they used. FAIR? NOT FAIR. Hacker/ glitcher/ exploiters win. PERIOD. can't deny it because this statement makes it legit that they messed up. thhat's all im saying, not saying that exploiters blablabla im saying that nexon made it so hacker/exploiters can get away with it.

One thing to point out is that they never specificly said that the ones behind the exploit were getting away with all of this. If they can track down exploited items (which they have proven in the past that they can), it wouldn't be hard to track their source. Once they do, I'd expect the people who used the exploits themselves will be banned.

This "drop your chaos scrolls" warning is to give amnesty to the people who may not have known about the exploit and, of course, trying to eliminate all of the exploited Chaos Scrolls in the game.

EDIT: This is still better than a rollback. With a rollback, everyone gets effected, including people who didn't touch a Chaos Scroll at all this time. Loss of normal items, mesos and even levels. It'd seriously suck...

[quote=yoniyo]Hmm, I'm not gonna wait till I think of a better solution than a rollback, so i'll just use that:

Outcomes of rollback:
[b]Pros[/b]
Exploit is rendered useless-
Hackers didn't gain anything.
People who bought exploited scrolls for ridicules prices don't gain anything.
Legit players with Chaos scrolls dont get OwnedPwned.
EconomyMarket is fixed. The Chaos Scroll prices are 10-14mill again.

[b]Cons[/b]
All levels and money from training is erased. - can be fixed somewhat by giving 2x exp and 2xdrop for at least 8 hours. ( preferably, 2x exp and drop Cards, so they can be used whenever wanted )

All transactions, Scrolling, Cubing etc are un-done. - Now, this is annoying, but are you really getting Nexon'd here? you can re-cube and re-scroll. And if you bought something from someone, hes still gonna want to sell it again...

So in short, a Rollback =====
1. As if the exploit was never there.
2. Legits get annoyed, but no massive damage done, and even the damage done is to a lot smaller part of the population.[/quote]

Your Pros and Cons list doesn't really work.

Hackers don't get anything? Get real. there are hackers everyday. It is always a plus for them.
It's understandable to see scrolls from 8~10mil as that is near the current price of the item. But a decrease in prices of an item is really suspicious. Then there are those who say "I don't know prices" AHAHA don't make me laugh. I wonder what basil is for. Hmm lemme think... Oh that's right selling and buying of items. No excuses.
You ain't legit if you exploit.

Your Cons list really fails.
All levels and mesos can be gained back by 2x? AHEM. How many people are affected again? OH THATS RIGHT! EVERYONE. Now lets see... 2x for 8 hours...hmm what is going to happen. Major Lag, unable to log on to server, more complaints. Not to mention all the good maps will be taken? GG

Scrolling, transactions, and cubes. Well since you use basil you already know about all those new forums on basil saying how they were NEXON'D. Imagine how many more there will be. You say recube and rescroll but you do know the % success rate resets so they have a chance of failing. If sumone sold something what makes you think you will be able to get it again? If it was a bargain someone else might have bought it. What then? you lose.

You also forgot about items that people gain. Some are overaverage or rare. Doubt they will get the same items they got before the rollback. Gachapon too. there was the time when we got compensated 5k maple points and people went to gach. Then there was a rollback for another 5k points. Look how many people complained about losing there stuff and gaining crap when they got 10k free points.

There is more but I am too lazy to put it. Also you say it only affected a small part of the population? Think you might want to rethink that.

To be honest, Nexon will never pwn hackers, and that's a well-known fact. Regardless, we just have to sit here and wait patiently 'till May 15th comes, to see who gets banned and who doesn't.

Honestly? they should have just left them in the economy. It doesn't hurt anyone to have cheap chaos scrolls. Sure a lot of items (and your legit chaos scrolls) might lose value, but that would be made up for by cheap and plentiful maple items, chaos scrolls and 20% scrolls.

Oh well.

[quote=alki420]are you kidding me? you whiny brats would've complained no matter what solution nexon chose[/quote]

Yeah I agree, either choice that Nexon wouldve made, the population would stupid attack and be against Nexon because of the choice they made, so dont complain because even if we did have a rollback or Option B, other people would still be complaining and ranting about Nexon's "Stupid" Decision

[quote=Taichikara]Just gotta put in, legit people buying exploited chaos are no longer legit.
You knew it was wrong, you knew something would happened, you shouldn't have taken advantage of it, so you should lose your money.[/quote]

Stop with the little Haiku answers, they arent enough. Many people dont know whether their scrolls are legit or not. You people act like scrolls were either 10m or 10k, which is not the case, many scrolls were bought and flipped, which may confuse players. You obviously didnt buy them and that is respectable, but many people got caught in tough positions without knowing it. so its not "simple"

[quote=RjHoomps]Nexon has the transaction logs. They will be going through them, I'm certain the hackers/exploiters will also be banned. Just like they(Nexon) usually do to them(Hackers).[/quote]

Thank you! Now I don't have to say anything~

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2021340/]I think this will help you.[/url]

If you believed you obtained them legitly, keep them. Otherwise, stop complaining and read that. Even if they were bought during the exploit, it does not make them 100% expoited. I totally agree with the first commenter.

I think the fact that everyone is missing in nexons "solution" is the hackers themself. Yes i agree the people who bought the scrolls at a much cheaper price should be held accountable for partaking in the exploit, but what do the hackers have to do? since they already sold the items to people, do they have to drop those mesos? what if they already spent the mesos on items? do they have to drop those? im just saying, it seems that the ppl at the root of the problem are getting away scott free. all they have to do is drop the scrolls they still have and keep the money they have made.

[quote=yoniyo]Hi
I am trying to understand nexon's decision, as it just dosent make sense to me.
This is not going to be a rant, just some use of common sense.

Lets look at Nexons decision :
If you drop all your chaos scrolls and exploited items, you dont get banned.
No rollback = No money-back.

They basically just made the hackers WIN.
Because hackers were going for money, not chaos scrolls.
Chaos Scrolls were just the means, the the target.
I've been looking at a hackers forum now, and ppl are saying they made a couple bill.
They dont need no chaos scrolls anymore, because they got what they wanted...

Ok, so thats a win for them. Then ontop of that, they make legit people Pwned.
You have to drop all your Chaos, because it was exploited.
So you lost all the money you bought it for.

On the market side, even Nexon themselves said its just a small market change, because its only 1 item.
So this dosent compensate for HackersWin-LegitLose situation.

They just made bad decision.
Why didnt they just rollback? I mean, the whole patching was 10 hours lost to all people, If they did a rollback and just gave 3 days with 2x exp, people wouldnt make any noise, because they expected it, and they cant think of a better solution.

Can anyone explain the logic here? I feel im missing something, I doubt Nexon would just make such a poor choice here.
WHAT AM I MISSING?[/quote]

Your missing the fact that I would have to collect 10 peridots again. D:

@yoniyo: You are just thinking about yourself.
You need to think as if you were a company. you NEED to make a solution to "pleases" everyone.
What do you think that would happend if there was a 4 day rollback?
Mostly of the maplers quit. What would that mean? Less money
When you manage a company you need to think what's better for them and their money.

My friend bought a lot of chaos scrolls not knowing they were exploited, he dont even know what exploit means, and he'll probably get banned, i'm gonna warn him so he can think what he'll do..

i agrree wuth you because it's not a rant, it, its just logical.

[quote=yoniyo]

WHAT AM I MISSING?[/quote]

you forgot to carry the one...

[quote=Luysita]@yoniyo: yes I agree with ur statement but I wasnt talking specifically on your case.
We all know that nexon doesn't care about we costumers, and I agree that maybe this was not the best solution.
BUT, like 50% of the maplers were aware of an exploit, but they BOUGHT the scrolls anyway. WHY? because they though nexon would do a rollback or not a decision like this.

ALTHOUGH,
Nexon is a company, with a serious business, we are talking about a company that manages money and employees.
And companies need to make butthurt decisions, will never please 100% of the costumers for sure. They had to make a QUICK decision, not a easy one.

It's why I will ask you, what would you do in this case?
I am sure that your own decision wont please everyone, like thousands of decisions that thousands of maplers would make.[/quote]

Hmm, I'm not gonna wait till I think of a better solution than a rollback, so i'll just use that:

Outcomes of rollback:
[b]Pros[/b]
Exploit is rendered useless-
Hackers didn't gain anything.
People who bought exploited scrolls for ridicules prices don't gain anything.
Legit players with Chaos scrolls dont get OwnedPwned.
EconomyMarket is fixed. The Chaos Scroll prices are 10-14mill again.

[b]Cons[/b]
All levels and money from training is erased. - can be fixed somewhat by giving 2x exp and 2xdrop for at least 8 hours. ( preferably, 2x exp and drop Cards, so they can be used whenever wanted )

All transactions, Scrolling, Cubing etc are un-done. - Now, this is annoying, but are you really getting Nexon'd here? you can re-cube and re-scroll. And if you bought something from someone, hes still gonna want to sell it again...

So in short, a Rollback =====
1. As if the exploit was never there.
2. Legits get annoyed, but no massive damage done, and even the damage done is to a lot smaller part of the population.

[quote=Taichikara]Just gotta put in, legit people buying exploited chaos are no longer legit.
You knew it was wrong, you knew something would happened, you shouldn't have taken advantage of it, so you should lose your money.[/quote]

What about if the person doesn't know that he/she is buying explited items?

Personally i didn't know about the exploit untill after the servercheck... Luckily I rarely (read almost never) spend time in fm

@yoniyo: yes I agree with ur statement but I wasnt talking specifically on your case.
We all know that nexon doesn't care about we costumers, and I agree that maybe this was not the best solution.
BUT, like 50% of the maplers were aware of an exploit, but they BOUGHT the scrolls anyway. WHY? because they though nexon would do a rollback or not a decision like this.

ALTHOUGH,
Nexon is a company, with a serious business, we are talking about a company that manages money and employees.
And companies need to make butthurt decisions, will never please 100% of the costumers for sure. They had to make a QUICK decision, not a easy one.

It's why I will ask you, what would you do in this case?
I am sure that your own decision wont please everyone, like thousands of decisions that thousands of maplers would make.

[quote=RjHoomps]I stopped here. "Hackers win"....But anyone who BOUGHT mass quaantities of the scrolls and is losing more than 1m(10+ scrolls), was an EXPLOITER as well.

Hows that you ask?

They bought exploited scrolls to stockpile KNOWING an exploit was around, this makes this JUST as guilty as the actual exploiters.

Nexon was GRACIOUS enough to allow them to NOT be hellbanned like the "Perfect Pitch" event for their mistake.(I dont think they should have, personally)

Case in point: You're meso loss is worth keeping your account unbanned(And, is like a punishment for exploiting, instead of being banned.) if you know you stockpiled scrolls by buying from players.[/quote]

People who bought in mass fine. They should be punished too. AGREED

BUT the actual exploiters aren't getting punished.
People like me ( I assume most of the players in the game are like this ) who could only afford 1-20 chaos scrolls ( at a price of 7-10 mill ea), when nobody knew about the exploit ARE getting punished.

I didnt say i think people who mass bought knowing its an exploit shouldnt be punished, I said nexon didnt punish the hackers.

@Luysita
As said b4, this was b4 they were being sold in bundles, at 100K.
I bought 3 for 7mill.
Also, Bundles of 100-200 existed, and we had them in shops once in a while.

Can you explain why only on a meso exploit, theyd rather rollback?
Can you explain how they solved the problem with what they did?

And yes, rollbacking is a pain, however:
1.[b]HACKERS GET PWNED![/b]
2.Your stuff dont get wasted, they just get reversed. your nx/cubes are returned to you, and you can try again.

If chaos were selling on BUNDLES, alot of them, something wrong was happening.
How would someone get 1000+ or even 500+ chaos and selling for that cheap?
You guys need to think.
And a rollback wasn't the better solution, because it was not a meso exploit, ONLY in this case they rather perform a rollback.
But rollbacking is an headache for many people who spent cubes/earned mesos that they would lost.
What if you cubed a item that turned out unique 12% x 6% x and the next day it disapeared? You wouldnt be so happy.

@karaokeNight

Yes, I agree. Perhaps some people prefer not to have a rollback.
However, this is why I stated:
Nexon need's to PWN the hackers.

Now I agree theres no way to satisfy everybody, but the goal is to PWN! the hackers.
And their solution didn't do that, its like they arrested the hackers and then dropped the charges.

There solution should focus on the hackers, and try to minimize damage to Legits.

There wasn't really any solution that would have pleased everyone. I would have liked a rollback, but many others would not have.

@taichikara
@tenka

Just to make it perfectly clear - I did not know they were exploited, as a matter of fact, I dont even know if they are exploited right now.
In what I wrote, I ment that in after thought, they were probably exploited. I wasnt even aware there was an exploit when I bought them.
This was BEFORE the exploit was being used by a million people, and BEFORE they just started doing a price war between themselves, dropping the price to 100K.
I only bought 3, because I only had 21 mill, and I was gonna re-sell them for 10mill ea.
THERE WAS NO WAY FOR ME TO KNOW IT WAS EXPLOITED
At the time, I figured this guy just dosent want to sit around the FM, trying to sell for 10mill, so hes selling it for less, and he probably got it from coins or bought it at a lower price....

@alki420
Not at all. I wouldnt mind a rollback, as I understand that to beat the hackers, Nexon might have to hurt the Legits.
But what they did, just dosent take care of the Hackers, and it bashes the Legits hard.
I wouldn't care about the 21mill which is all my money, if Nexon would PWN the Hackers.

And in fact, I didn't make this thread to rant or rage or w/e
I'm looking for someone to open my eyes and show me how the Hackers got PWNED, because i'm not seeing it.
And if Nexon has the choice between Beating Hackers and not Beating Hackers, I think they would take the first option...

It is in their rules that you should not try to use exploits in the game, so people who bought them are at fault. IMO a rollback would have been a worse choice for them, and it would just contribute to more ranting & complaining (like some poeple bought things and they wouldn't have it anymore). This way is better anyway, since they could find out who actually abused the glitch, and ban them instead of rolling it back and keeping them around.

Now you'll learn not to buy exploited items.

i think nexon will give a lesson to legits ppl for next time xD