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i wish they took the thunder breakers transformation and gave it to us, wouldn't that be sweet

[quote=WantHealOrHS]Evans have 95% mastery.[/quote]

How is that?

I was only a support bishop from 110->160 as thats when a bishop is most weak, after 160/165 we are potentially stronger then almost any class in the game
if every bishop in the game refused to play and nexon made it so clerics could no longer be made, i'd love to see the basil community [OMG WE NEED OUR BISHOPS WE'RE NOTHING WITHOUT THEM, WE CANT CZAK WITHOUT RESS AMG]

[quote=KostyaHeals]I always thought that bishop community is the best but all I see is butt hurt people crying over someone being an hs mule and other wants more power when they know that the reason bishop are made are to support the party members by making sure everyone gets the buffs that they need and attacking before rebuffing.[/quote]

I would agree if this was said either about another game or a few years ago.

Nexon has made bishops near worthless in terms of support-intended play-style through:
1) other people/attackers have just as good (if not better) party buffs. eg: SE and SI;
-simply put, if you were to boss and had the choice between two equally funded characters (ex: bishop and bowmaster), you would pick the BM because the BM outdamages the bishop, but advance bless is not significantly more helpful than SE.

2) we have limited actual active support (nonbuff) skills to help the party. I can only think of res and shell; heal/dispel isn't worth crap, people can use pots. AB is again only on par with other attacker classes' buffs

3) we have been getting constant damage increases, but not much/no support skill increases.

It's because of these points that we are reduced to HS mules most of the time.
To be a support type character, we need to have actual support skills IMO. Until Nexon lets that day arrive, I will remain an attacking bishop.

I always thought that bishop community is the best but all I see is butt hurt people crying over someone being an hs mule and other wants more power when they know that the reason bishop are made are to support the party members by making sure everyone gets the buffs that they need and attacking before rebuffing.

Just a little correction: I think Paladins have the highest mastery in game (94%) when we get Advanced Charge maxed with CO.

But still, good for all Bishops!

[quote=Yahuti]In addition, we do not appreciate being treated disrespectfully because we "don't do enough damage." If anyone believes the bishop population is overreacting, well, y'all started this nonsense in the first place. To anyone that has or will ever imply that Bishops should only serve to buff can die in a fire.[/quote]

perfect

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[quote=DrStrangenoob]I've already given my thoughts on this "revamp" in other threads, so I'll just say:

What is it with Nexon and their multihitting fetish? I don't need my screen filling up with even more giant numbers obstructing my view.[/quote]

SO TRUE.

OT: Can't wait! -steps on nebs and phantom-

EDIT: I don't HS or Bless is they don't say the simple "please". I see it A LOT. Oddly, with demon slayers, but im in Bera, theres LOTS of them. No offense to demon slayers, i love that class. But, yeah.

[quote=Yahuti]Go tell a janitor they missed a spot while they are cleaning. Extrapolate from that analogy if you will.[/quote]
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, dear god.. worst mistake I have ever done in my life..

[quote=DrStrangenoob]I've already given my thoughts on this "revamp" in other threads, so I'll just say:

What is it with Nexon and their multihitting fetish? I don't need my screen filling up with even more giant numbers obstructing my view.[/quote]

Isn't it to avoid damage capping?

[quote=TroiSky]L> more vertical range with AR :c[/quote]

Second this x infinity

[quote=Tyranno2007]THIS THIS THIS...I made a Cleric just to show people that I WILL play a support role and not a "need more dmg" role, so I am very new to this specific community (I usually play a Thief or a Pirate). I am the healer/support class and I will play it as such! When someone tells me to buff them or heal them, I do not get mad or request everyone to write me an essay about how they need to be buffed or healed in a polite manner...because I chose this class going in knowing that I AM NOT an attacking class!

I do not understand why so many Clerics/Priests/Bishops get all mad and offended when people ask for buffs or healing or dispel, it is the class role to support party members...[/quote]

hey dude, go be a "support" bishop from lvl 81->165 and try coming here and telling me it wasn't the most annoying waste of time you've ever had.
we don't ENJOY being told to hs, If i'm leeching, I will buss and never have to be asked, I heal when needed, and sue holy magic shield whenever possible. theres 2 sides to a bishop, the typical worthless hs mule that you're creating, and an actual bishop, a support-style class with the capability to deal large amounts of damage, tank every monster in the game, heal constantly and increase the damage of everyone around.

[quote=PinkGreen]Also incorrect. When a Phantom steals HS and Combo, if he'd use HS first and Combo afterwards, HS will vanish on the Phantom but not on its party members. They will keep HS.
When a Phantom uses HS>CO>Combo, the Phantom will only have combo but the party members will have HS and CO (and if Combo was a party buff, Combo too)

1500% AR vs 1080% FB. This ain't fun anymore. The bishop community on basil looks focused on I NEEDZ POWER SO I CAN KS EVERYONE SO THEY ARE SORRY FOR CALLING US HS MULES11!1!11!1!11. Honestly, a large part of the community doesn't look at Bishops like that anymore.
The community just feels whiny to me, just wanted to let that out. O well, I'll probably be flamed a lot for this.
If someone says ADA, CO, Haste, SE or w/e, that class gives that skill. But when someone says HS, the bishop is instantly offended and refuses to HS the whole party. That is immature, yet a lot if bishops do it.[/quote]

THIS THIS THIS...I made a Cleric just to show people that I WILL play a support role and not a "need more dmg" role, so I am very new to this specific community (I usually play a Thief or a Pirate). I am the healer/support class and I will play it as such! When someone tells me to buff them or heal them, I do not get mad or request everyone to write me an essay about how they need to be buffed or healed in a polite manner...because I chose this class going in knowing that I AM NOT an attacking class!

I do not understand why so many Clerics/Priests/Bishops get all mad and offended when people ask for buffs or healing or dispel, it is the class role to support party members...

95% mastery+80%crit+1500%angelray=0RGASM

[quote=PinkGreen]Also incorrect. When a Phantom steals HS and Combo, if he'd use HS first and Combo afterwards, HS will vanish on the Phantom but not on its party members. They will keep HS.
When a Phantom uses HS>CO>Combo, the Phantom will only have combo but the party members will have HS and CO (and if Combo was a party buff, Combo too)

1500% AR vs 1080% FB. This ain't fun anymore. The bishop community on basil looks focused on I NEEDZ POWER SO I CAN KS EVERYONE SO THEY ARE SORRY FOR CALLING US HS MULES11!1!11!1!11. Honestly, a large part of the community doesn't look at Bishops like that anymore.
The community just feels whiny to me, just wanted to let that out. O well, I'll probably be flamed a lot for this.
If someone says ADA, CO, Haste, SE or w/e, that class gives that skill. But when someone says HS, the bishop is instantly offended and refuses to HS the whole party. That is immature, yet a lot if bishops do it.[/quote]

i ment the phantom themselves will lose HS

[quote=Raskler]Very happy for bishops with 1500% AR xD[/quote]

heros currently have 900% upped from 675% recently , soon to be 1100% RAGING BLOW FTW, fire+flaming katana=win

[quote=Kraelan]The change I still want to see is Big Bang (and other skills that require charging) changed to work like the Monkey Drum full power proc. Maybe then people would actually care about it.[/quote]

I'm sure Mages rather have Big Bang gone entirely.

[quote=huyshooter]That be too op xD I rather they rid us of genesis and big bang and turn those 2 into something more useful like party supports z.z"
Though all pvp bishops will disagree hmms ....[/quote]

i think it would be fair for the other two mages. they would get into boss battles a lot more often. arcane aims helps so much with damage.

[quote=squire7766]@kb24pwnage:

So unfair [/quote]
even better, with decent co, we has 96% mastery HA!

@kb24pwnage:

So unfair

[quote=HolyMaige]i wish they made arcane aim a party skill, like BaM auras. you have to stick close to the mage in order to get it. and its only activated if its activated on the mage.[/quote]

That be too op xD I rather they rid us of genesis and big bang and turn those 2 into something more useful like party supports z.z"
Though all pvp bishops will disagree hmms ....

i wish they made arcane aim a party skill, like BaM auras. you have to stick close to the mage in order to get it. and its only activated if its activated on the mage.

[quote=lordkid15]wait wait wait... im confused my base atm is 80% not 90% o.o are u adding in like Decent SE? cuz if so then i have 90% atm[/quote]

this is mastery not crit rate

[quote=TehDarkWings]Hs only applies to phantoms themselves. Stop with this nonsense . They will NEVER replace bishops EVER.[/quote]

Actually they apply to party, however they can only use 1 3rd job skill at a time and if they switch the hs vanish
They will weed out the hs mules but most parties with phantoms will still want a bishop since phantoms would want more damage then hsing

[quote=Deadly1337]theres one major change that bishops need.

remove decent advanced blessing
remove decent mystic door
make all bishop skills un-stealable by phantoms.

bishops are[and everyone knows it] a support healer class, theres no reason a dps class like phantom should be able to make a bishop 100% obsolete[/quote]

we will never be obsolete xD the phantoms are just wiping out all the hs mules n.n sides most REAL phantoms wouldnt want hs

They want combo attack for "MOAR DAMAGE NOW SOZ I CAN BEET U NUBZ"

theres one major change that bishops need.

remove decent advanced blessing
remove decent mystic door
make all bishop skills un-stealable by phantoms.

bishops are[and everyone knows it] a support healer class, theres no reason a dps class like phantom should be able to make a bishop 100% obsolete

[quote=yumm123]It would be nice if BB had no charge up but then it would be op BUT STILL! [/quote]

i really wish it were that as well.

Well,I am sorta of happy for the buffs we get,so we can do even more dmg output.So after that buff,where are we in dps/dpm/DoT chart?

It would be nice if BB had no charge up but then it would be op BUT STILL!

[quote=squire7766]@azngirllh:

20% base + advanced charge passive effect from 4th job

Level 12: Damage 740%, 7 Monsters hit, [b]Weapon Mastery +74% [/b]when charged[/quote]

Oh ok, that makes sense.

I just got hacked for 4 bil, but this makes up for it. Hitting max 4 times instead of 3? hellz yeah. and 20 sec cooldown on genesis? we are slowly working our way back to our old prestige back when there were only adventurers

@azngirllh:

20% base + advanced charge passive effect from 4th job

Level 12: Damage 740%, 7 Monsters hit, [b]Weapon Mastery +74% [/b]when charged

[quote=azngirllh]@DrStrangenoob: agree, I liked when Genesis showed 1 line of numbers. Also, it causes intense lag and I can never see the monsters. Or my party members.

@TroiSky: same! That, or make BB useful somehow.

@squire7766: I am confused, where do you get the 4% from?

paladin > 20% base + 70% ac = 90%

bishop > 25% base + 70% hf = 95%[/quote]

Did u count pally's co?

@above I was reduced to using level 1 Holy Arrow for the statues .. ;____;

They need to make AR track again, you cant hit anything in Pink Bean its annoying as anything....

@DrStrangenoob: agree, I liked when Genesis showed 1 line of numbers. Also, it causes intense lag and I can never see the monsters. Or my party members.

@TroiSky: same! That, or make BB useful somehow.

@squire7766: I am confused, where do you get the 4% from?

paladin > 20% base + 70% ac = 90%

bishop > 25% base + 70% hf = 95%

[quote=azngirlLH]Another skill revamp.

[b]Invincible[/b] (2nd): damage reduction has been increased from 20% to 25%
[b]Holy Arrow[/b] (2nd): number of monsters hit has been increased from 3 to 4
[b]Holy Focus[/b] (3rd): mastery has been increased from 65% to 70%
[b]Shining Ray[/b] (3rd): damage has been increased from 220% to 240%
[b]Angel Ray[/b] (4th): damage has been decreased from 420% to 375%, number of hits has been increased from 3 to 4
[b]Genesis[/b] (4th): cooldown has been decreased from 30 seconds to 20 seconds

Nice, no? I believe we have the highest mastery in game, next to evan. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And

AR 1260% > 1500%

http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/kmst-ver-1-2-429-magician-reorganization/[/quote]

Paladins have the highest mastery. 94% with Adv Charge.

But i'm very excited for the Angel Ray Buff

L> more vertical range with AR :c

I've already given my thoughts on this "revamp" in other threads, so I'll just say:

What is it with Nexon and their multihitting fetish? I don't need my screen filling up with even more giant numbers obstructing my view.

[quote=huyshooter]More damage but wheres the new party skills I was looking for?[/quote]

Same here, I was hoping for better support skills. Specifically a heal-over-time skill, like how most other MMO cleric/priest/bishop have.

More damage but wheres the new party skills I was looking for?

I can't wait for this. Should hit right after I finish year 12 exams too. So excited. <3

I am quite happy with this <3

I'll just stick to my shiny new evan until this rolls around to GMS

nexon is FINALLY making bishops the Op monsters we need to be with phantoms/decent door/decent adv bless available!

win.

[quote=BladeLust]Okay...but when will these changes actually hit GMS?[/quote]

Within 5 months most of the time.

Okay...but when will these changes actually hit GMS?