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@thief4vaal54: did you read the article? The altercation was done and he went out of the way to reinstigate it. The girls do not deserve to be stabbed because the punishment didn't fit the crime. The boy did EVERYTHING wrong because he used excessive force. I'm also calling you a kid because you have the black and white logic of one.

Honestly this is really disappointing on what both sides did. For the Girls, they should NEVER EVER bully ANYONE. NO one should. Ask yourself, would you like it when people call me this name or physically abuse me? If not then don't do it to the other person. -.- Its so simple, but bullies never think of anyone but themselves -.- And like someone else said, wouldn't they take the hint that he's annoyed if he threw a whole bottle of water at them? sigh.
on the other hand, what the boy did was completely WRONG too. Weapons are SO dangerous and should NEVER be used to harm someone else. There are so many things he could have done to resolve it. 1) Tell them firmly that he doesn't want to be called "harry potter". If that doesn't work, report to a parent, a police, or trusted adult. Let THEM handle it, they would be a lot more reasonable then stabbing -.-
Never fight Fire with Fire, you'll get a bigger Fire.

@aznseal: medical school. insulting me. im a kid? and your dad is a psychiatrist. seeing patients ive never dreamed of.
yet this has nothing to do with this article yet a college graduate is calling me stupid when all i've been saying is that im just trying to prove my point? yet i have not ONCE said i was right and im getting all this hate from you? haha ive supporting my cause ive said hes probably been bullied and he wasnt the aggressor he threw the milk bottle because he was being called harry potter first. im sorry i dont think ive called you stupid or asked you about your schooling or what your dad does? frankly i dont care. just support your cause of why i could give any sympathy for the girls and why i should believe why this guy is guilty for snapping. again mental patience is different from every person.

idk how im going to get it through your head but i'm already set to believe he didnt do anything wrong Except using excessive force

I'd punch someone in the face, never stab someone in the face.

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: in the eyes of the law, he used an excuse defense. Yes he stabbed them but he had a good reason to. If the law wasn't measurable we could accuse random people and they could go to jail just from the words of the mouth. It's my honest opinion that I don't think he did anything wrong besides using excessive force from being constantly bullied.. Obviously you don't know how the real world works because people have different mental stability.. I'm not a troll or a person who doesn't know what the real world is like.. I'm just proving my point -__- and you're just soo obtuse about looking at it that you won't accept anyone else's words but yourself[/quote]

"He then went back into the flat and re-emerged with a vegetable knife before walking to a local park - knowing the girls would follow him."

The altercation was already done but he went out looking for trouble. He went looking for a reason to stab the girls.

Also I don't know how the real world works? I don't know about mental instability? No, YOU obviously have no idea how the real world works, but it's ok. I'm just going to assume it's because you're still a kid and not because you're absolutely stupid. How about my dad's a psychiatrist and i'll be starting medical school in the fall? How about i've studied this during my undergrad? How about i've worked with patients and seen stuff you can never dream of? How about i've heard stories that you'd think I made up or took from a horror film? People who are medically insane do not know right from wrong. This guy is not mentally insane, he's just an teenager who wanted to stab up some little girls. You're a disgusting person if you don't think it was wrong. I'm obtuse because you're trying to prove a point? Maybe i'm obtuse because the point you're trying to prove is absolutely ludicrous.

Stabbing someone to protect yourself or your family is a good reason. Stabbing someone after you go out looking for trouble is not a good reason. At first you said "i don't see what the guy did wrong". Now you're saying he's wrong for using excessive force. That was the whole point of me arguing with you, is because you didn't think what he did was wrong. The world is not black and white. Everything needs to be evaluated in context. If he went out and slapped the girls once or twice, maybe it'd be more in a gray area and the action would be more justifiable. What he did was stab someone. That is completely [b]not[/b] justifiable.

It's like how you can shoot a burglar if he's robbing your house and in a direct threat to the safety of you or your family, but you can not purposely shoot a burglar in the leg as he's trying to run away and then curb stomp him and hang him upside down on a cross. inb4itsjustifiedbecausetheburglarwasaskingforit.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

His reaction is a bit too excessive and disappointing that he did not dealt with them in a mature fashion.

@aznseal: in the eyes of the law, he used an excuse defense. Yes he stabbed them but he had a good reason to. If the law wasn't measurable we could accuse random people and they could go to jail just from the words of the mouth. It's my honest opinion that I don't think he did anything wrong besides using excessive force from being constantly bullied.. Obviously you don't know how the real world works because people have different mental stability.. I'm not a troll or a person who doesn't know what the real world is like.. I'm just proving my point -__- and you're just soo obtuse about looking at it that you won't accept anyone else's words but yourself

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: LOL im a troll? wow you must be one of the smartest people i have ever met![/quote]

You're trying to justify using deadly force against bullies, and that it's completely justified for me to stab/shoot/kill someone who's bullying me if I "snap". You're either a troll or someone who has no idea how the real world works.

When I was in 7th grade there was a kid named Israel. He used to bully me day in and day out. Call me gay , retard , etc. One day I told my counseler , she suspended us both. I had no idea why I was suspended. When my suspension was over he saw me in P.E. He mocked me and thats when I snapped. Keep in mind this kid was 6 ft and 200 pounds or something. I was a mere 5 ft , 110 pounds. I went ham and don't remember much after that. Then I came back to my senses and saw him laying with 2 black eyes and a swollen face. After that day no one EVER bullied me again.

how did the girls not realize he was fed up with their verbal abuse after he threw water at them..? following someone who's having a nervous breakdown and provoking them is asking for trouble. this is not to say i'm defending him, im not. his reaction was excessive, but the girls should have known better than provoking someone who was clearly enraged.

A girl that sat behind me in class ended up trying to stab a kid in the eye and went to jail (she got him above the eye so he's fine)
It's always the quiet ones

@aznseal: LOL im a troll? wow you must be one of the smartest people i have ever met!

[quote=thief4vaal54]@SomeJello: i dont really LOL i have a loving gf and have great relationships with all my friends that are girls
i just dont pity the stupid[/quote]

You are the best troll I have ever seen.

@SomeJello: i dont really LOL i have a loving gf and have great relationships with all my friends that are girls
i just dont pity the stupid

@SomeJello: doesnt matter under the law they can be charged as adults from age 16 and up
if he didnt stab their faces he coulda probably reported them for stalking
it doesnt matter they all did something wrong but i dont give sympathy to stupid girls

He should have been jailed for life, if not received the death penalty. We can't have deranged and/or psychopathic people like him in our society. He is a serious threat to others, in my opinion, and is not in the right. However, I do not believe that the underage girls were justified in what they did, but they did not deserve the stabbing and beating which the adult man gave them.

@SomeJello: theres a huge difference between a third grade bully and a highschool/real world bully ==; you needa realize.. Everyone needs to realize.. that every person is unique in their own way. you need to also know these girls definitely knew that he gets mad at the fact that he gets called Harry Potter and what did they do? they wanted to test his patience and keep calling him harry potter? sure if i looked like him and was called that once or twice or even nicknamed that i would be completely fine. these girls took it one step further and Stalked him and called him harry potter to get what, a laugh? and we dont even know how long it was. and noone's life was taken.. someone was just brutally beaten, she had it coming she shoulda known her boundaries and stayed the hell out of his life. they should have known that he could easily overpower them and he probably told them many times to go away or leave him alone but they didnt and this is what happened to them.
its not about dealing it like an adult. he probably did. he told people, and they didn't do anything and he felt the only way to stop this bullying is to take care if it himself. how is that childish? again.. i dont see what he did wrong besides using excessive force. those stupid girls deserved it.

[quote=SomeJello]@thief4vaal54 If someones bullying you excessively @aznseal is right you deal with it like an adult. You're seriously saying it's okay to [b]take someone's life[/b] because they bullied you? What the hell is this, elementary school? I've only ever been bullied in third grade. I eventually got into a fight with the kid and busted his nose and I've never been bullied since. That's how you deal with it, you don't go out and kill people o.o[/quote]

Agreed with this.

The guy overreacted (4 years in jail will turn his life around for sure, hopefully he puts on a bit of muscle in there) and the girls receive absolutely no sympathy from me.

@aznseal: once again... not everyone has the mental stability and patience as you..

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: because everyone has the same mental patience like you. every human are the same right? haha[/quote]

I didn't realize the ability to not stab someone was considered rare.

one of my iraqi/persian friends looks like a middle eastern harry potter but i call him that as a joke since
he's a friend of mine

ot: that just proves that you shouldn't taunt people to a breaking point, you never know what people these
days could do to you when they're angry lmao

Lots and lots of teens suicide over being bullied. This situation's outcome came out great, hopefully idiot bullies will learn from this. But of course no one will learn from this not even the puppets part of this charade. He really does look like harry potter though hahaha

[quote=dopeazn]he WILL be out in public in 4 years, maybe less on good behavior. should he be allowed to? that is up to the judicial system to decide. pretty sure he will learn his lesson and mature over that time he is in jail. if not, at least i know i won't get stabbed by him so it's not my problem.[/quote]

well what ever happens i hope he does get some therapy to cope with this.

[quote=isiah13]@dopeazn: i had given that thought, but do you think people who can't control there emotions like that should be allowed in public? what if some kid did the same thing to him and he decided to stab him/her in the face? and your right, he's responsible for his own actions but no amount of sympathy is going to fix what has been done.[/quote]
he WILL be out in public in 4 years, maybe less on good behavior. should he be allowed to? that is up to the judicial system to decide. pretty sure he will learn his lesson and mature over that time he is in jail. if not, at least i know i won't get stabbed by him so it's not my problem.

@dopeazn: i had given that thought, but do you think people who can't control there emotions like that should be allowed in public? what if some kid did the same thing to him and he decided to stab him/her in the face? and your right, he's responsible for his own actions but no amount of sympathy is going to fix what has been done.

Everyone involved got what he/she deserved. The guy went to jail for overreacting, and the girls got beaten for being jerks. At least no one died and they get a chance to reflect on their actions and consequences and perhaps not make the same mistake in the future.

@aznseal: because everyone has the same mental patience like you. every human are the same right? haha

[quote=thief4vaal54]excessively bullied to a point of snapping? i dont think so.[/quote]

Then don't snap.

Oddly enough, some girls used the same bullying technique on me in middle school. What I find odd is that people consider calling someone Harry Potter an insult. I WISH I was Harry freakin Potter.

Anyway, he took this too far. Yes, the girls were jerks, but stabbing them in the face was not a reasonable solution. Setting them up for public humiliation would have been a far better route.

[quote=isiah13]i do blame the guy, they weren't physically hurting him, he should of handle himself like a adult and shut the door instead of losing his temper and assaulting too girls.[/quote]

you assume every human being is mentally stable or has the same capacity to control their emotions. i don't think he's a bad kid. he was out grocery shopping for his mom trying to mind his own business and be a good son. he just plain lost his marbles at that moment because they bullied himself to lose his mind, i'm not saying he's not responsible for his own actions just not all people's brains function the same way. just cause you would handle the situation differently doesn't mean people can't sympathize with him. just read his own testimony you can see he shows great remorse and called himself "monstrous"

[quote=aznseal]I have been bullied before. Do you know what I did? I grew up. Part of being an adult is realizing that the world is not sugar-coated. Whether it be the football player making fun of you or your supervisor treating you like crap, it happens everywhere. Mature adults deal with it, and I don't mean going on a rampage or stabbing/shooting someone.[/quote]

excessively bullied to a point of snapping? i dont think so.

[quote=thief4vaal54]@Rtyu: exactly like how stupid can you be to literally harass someone to wanting to stab you in a premeditated way? Like its honestly soo stupid and dumb what these girls did... i dont blame the guy not at all 4 and a half years is fine but i hope those girls learned a lesson ==;
this generation tho...[/quote]

i do blame the guy, they weren't physically hurting him, he should of handle himself like a adult and shut the door instead of losing his temper and assaulting too girls.

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: not if its excessive.. obviously you've never been bullied. yeah deal with it like an adult until it becomes so obsessive that it either leads to suicide or a murder suicide attempt? or just snap and kill people? idk again being bullied is the first step into anything.. unless your Legally Insane but honestly what if the kid did try to get help? and the teachers and the parents couldnt do anything. they've been suspended and the talked to the parents of the students that were bullying him? what is he going to do? just sit there helpless? its called Fight or Flight. Most people Flight but the 1 or 2 % of the people who fight want to protect themselves and their pride no matter how they handle whether its premeditated murder or Suicide..
is suicide stupid? or is it stupid that they felt soo hopeless because these kids were bullying them soo much they didnt know what else to do but commit suicide? take all these things ive said and think about it. put your feet in the kid's shoes and think about weeks maybe months of being harassed and bullied and tell me you wouldn't even have the slightest though about doing anything but just sitting there helpless.[/quote]

I have been bullied before. Do you know what I did? I grew up. Part of being an adult is realizing that the world is not sugar-coated. Whether it be the football player making fun of you or your supervisor treating you like crap, it happens everywhere. Mature adults deal with it, and I don't mean going on a rampage or stabbing/shooting someone.

I bet all three have parental issues.

@aznseal: not if its excessive.. obviously you've never been bullied. yeah deal with it like an adult until it becomes so obsessive that it either leads to suicide or a murder suicide attempt? or just snap and kill people? idk again being bullied is the first step into anything.. unless your Legally Insane but honestly what if the kid did try to get help? and the teachers and the parents couldnt do anything. they've been suspended and the talked to the parents of the students that were bullying him? what is he going to do? just sit there helpless? its called Fight or Flight. Most people Flight but the 1 or 2 % of the people who fight want to protect themselves and their pride no matter how they handle whether its premeditated murder or Suicide..
is suicide stupid? or is it stupid that they felt soo hopeless because these kids were bullying them soo much they didnt know what else to do but commit suicide? take all these things ive said and think about it. put your feet in the kid's shoes and think about weeks maybe months of being harassed and bullied and tell me you wouldn't even have the slightest though about doing anything but just sitting there helpless.

[quote=aznseal]What about Columbine (assuming you're old enough to know what it is)? They were bullied so they decided to shoot up a school. Did the school deserve it? Did they have it coming?[/quote]

completely different scenarios. I don't think you can really compare them, columbine was a mass shooting indiscriminately. they killed innocent people, of course no one thinks they deserved it. [url=http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/20/columbine.myths/index.html]sources say they were never even bullied. their intentions were to get fame, like the batman shooting guy.[/url] the question is can you really say these girls are innocent and show sympathy for them when they bullied the hell out of him. again, no one is trying to justify what he did.

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: sucks for them shouldnt have bullied him then idk what to say if the bullying never happened this could have all been avoided and everyone would be living? isn't that right? [/quote]

No, because if someone is bullying you, you deal with it like an adult.

@aznseal: sucks for them shouldnt have bullied him then idk what to say if the bullying never happened this could have all been avoided and everyone would be living? isn't that right?

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: theres a difference when its selective bullying and wanting to take it out of 2 people..
and combined bullying when youre bullied and want to take out a whole bunch of people..
again 2 different scenarios...[/quote]

[quote=thief4vaal54]@aznseal: theres a difference when its selective bullying and wanting to take it out of 2 people..
and combined bullying when youre bullied and want to take out a whole bunch of people..
again 2 different scenarios...[/quote]

Yes, I should definitely bring a gun to school and target those who bully me.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/california-school-shooting/

EDIT: @xLovelyx: Sorry! I read your post wrong haha

[quote=Rtyu]I would kill many people for petty things if I had a death note, and I know many who'd do the same. :][/quote]

sad thing is.. if i had the power of a god like that.. i probably would to ==;

@aznseal: theres a difference when its selective bullying and wanting to take it out of 2 people..
and combined bullying when youre bullied and want to take out a whole bunch of people..
again 2 different scenarios...

[quote=thief4vaal54]sorry if he was never provoked he wouldnt have snaped. the virginia tech shooter wasnt harassed maybe before he was but not constantly making him think the virginia shooter and this guy is 2 completely different Scenarios ==;[/quote]

What about Columbine (assuming you're old enough to know what it is)? They were bullied so they decided to shoot up a school. Did the school deserve it? Did they have it coming?

[quote=aznseal]You don't see what he did wrong? What about stabbing someone. Do you think the Virginia Tech shooter did anything wrong? After all, he just "snapped".

@xLovelyx: Right, so I guess if I have a problem with people at my university, I should stab someone, right? inb4NSAputsmeonterroristlist[/quote]

sorry if he was never provoked he wouldnt have snaped. the virginia tech shooter wasnt harassed maybe before he was but not constantly making him think the virginia shooter and this guy is 2 completely different Scenarios ==;

[quote=thief4vaal54]nope i dont but if youre going to constantly bully someone to the point of where he Thinks about how he's going to attack you? dont you think that the bullying was just a tad.. just a little bit.. Excessive? idk im pretty sure it was like ohh hey harry potter. like once or twice.. pretty sure he told them to go away and stop taunting him..
sorry but i dont see what the guy did wrong. he just snapped and used excessive force. thats all[/quote]

You don't see what he did wrong? What about stabbing someone. Do you think the Virginia Tech shooter did anything wrong? After all, he just "snapped".

@xLovelyx: Right, so I guess if I have a problem with people at my university, I should stab someone, right? inb4NSAputsmeonterroristlist

she shouldn't had made fun of him

she asked for it

[quote=dopeazn]i don't think anyone is trying to justify his actions. we all think he overreacted. it's more about whether or not these girls deserve sympathy.[/quote]

they deserve no sympathy at all.. theyre just dumb girls who should learn when enough is enough.

[quote=aznseal]I can't believe people are trying to justify his actions.

@thief4vaal54: Do you honestly think it's justified to stab someone for repeatedly taunting you?[/quote]

i don't think anyone is trying to justify his actions. we all think he overreacted. it's more about whether or not these girls deserve sympathy.

My best friend in Middle School looks dangerously like Harry Potter.
I was hoping (in some sick way) that it was him.

[quote=aznseal]I can't believe people are trying to justify his actions.

@thief4vaal54: Do you honestly think it's justified to stab someone for repeatedly taunting you?[/quote]

nope i dont but if youre going to constantly bully someone to the point of where he Thinks about how he's going to attack you? dont you think that the bullying was just a tad.. just a little bit.. Excessive? idk im pretty sure it was like ohh hey harry potter. like once or twice.. pretty sure he told them to go away and stop taunting him..
sorry but i dont see what the guy did wrong. he just snapped and used excessive force. thats all