What do you think about owning guns?
My friend on Facebook posted today a status that I really agree on and that sums up what I think about it myself
He Wrote:
"Next one - to all my gun loving friends.
These are the scenes:
1. You are asleep at home.
2. You are having dinner with your family.
3. You are shopping at a mall.
4. You are in the stadium watching a game.
5. You are in the cinema watching a movie.
At which scenes do you who proudly own a gun carry it with you holstered, loaded and unlocked so you can shoot the bad guy before he kills you? How many will have the gun in reachable distance and be quick enough? How many will have the guts to shoot him down?
So my heroes - tell me, please.
Or is it that you just wanna have guns as toys and never play with them like your railroad stations."
Those who own a gun should carry it with them at all times or it's useless - It's understandable to own one if you're geniunely being threated but that's it IMO
what do you think?
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[quote=Momijii]It's not that I'd rather have no chance, it's that it's such a slim chance of having the stars align in your favor. I do realize that, but a gun isn't what is going to save you, necessarily; it's the knowledge of how to use one, and unless you [i]frequently[/i] train your accuracy, you're not going to be much use. It's relying too much on a too small of a chance.
And by the last chunk of your post, it's clear that you're must be misinterpreting my original statement. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take a shot given the opportunity, assuming I have the education, it's rather that it's unrealistic to buy a gun and then assume you're going to be instantly safe.[/quote]
I don't think most people assume instant safety is granted once you have a gun and permit to use it in dangerous situations.
Everyone I know that has a gun (pistols and rifles, no automatics) practice frequently. There's organizations they join for the sport/competition of it, and with the frequent participation comes practice and training. And I know not everyone is like that, but they're not the people I'm thinking of here.
And yeah, like you just said - it's the knowledge of how to effectively use your gun that saves you, not the gun itself. Which goes back to my earlier point - an untrained, reckless criminal isn't likely to win against someone that has trained consistently, regardless of the guns used (assuming they're both aware and one doesn't just surprise the other from behind, in which case I think it's hard to deny who wins). Again, my point is that if you take guns seriously and are aware of the criminal, your chances of "winning" aren't as slim as you make them seem to be.
The part I quoted you on kinda goes against what you said earlier, where you claimed an assault rifle basically takes the cake.
[quote=ShadeCaro]"Who needs guns when you have swag"
That's my facebook community in a nutshell.[/quote]
V true doe (srs) I don't mean dressing well, but having confidence in your walk and negotiations significantly decreases the need to be armed.
"Who needs guns when you have swag"
That's my facebook community in a nutshell.
[quote=NonSonoFronz]Lawl, someone has never heard of Mexico.[/quote]
Cocaine is one hell of a drug. Movin' them kilos ain't easy.
[quote=IceSin]Guns are great, but they're also the reason that the USA has over 10x as many murders a year as most other first world countries. I think they should be allowed but require at least require a licence.
Also, if guns weren't allowed, there's a much smaller chance that someone would have one to shoot at you with.[/quote]
Lawl, someone has never heard of Mexico.
[quote=gabev]use my head? srsly just because u have the right to own a gun doesnt mean u can go out shooting it....use yours plz. and u obv didnt read a word i wrote cause i said u can only use it for self defense but seriously wats the odds of u gettin into a situation where you would need it (unless ur a criminal) and its not like you can legally carry it around with you. Wel l not in california, i dont really care about anywhere else since i live in cali.[/quote]
Way to miss the point brah. I'm saying that there wouldn't be an amendment for gun ownership if the intent was just to have them around for decoration and not to be used. Obviously you don't just go into the streets blasting them off for no reason, but it's p obvious that the amendment also implies that you get to use them. The odds vary too and you never know. If you want to play it safe and be strapped then why get all pissed off at the people that chose that? It makes no sense. "omg y r u protected when the chances are so low" It's retarded thinking.
[quote=gabev]No ur not allowed to shoot someone walking towards u looking "suspicious" btw. i would like to see u do that then in court see what a jury and judge says to u as u plead in ur defense that the guy looked "intimidating." as was said before u can only use a gun on a person in a life or feath situation, not because u are scared.[/quote]
LOL srs? You would want me to see defend myself in court for how I shot a guy that was threatening to bash my head in and walking around swinging a baseball bat at me? Not sheriff I'm being trolled.
Also, lol @ changing "threatening" to "suspicious" which totally changes the context.
I prefer samurai swords.
[quote=WontPostMuch]You're also allowed to shoot if you're threatened like someone walking over to you with a baseball bat in an intimidating way. In general, why not be strapped? Like everything else in life, just be smart about it.[/quote]
No ur not allowed to shoot someone walking towards u looking "suspicious" btw. i would like to see u do that then in court see what a jury and judge says to u as u plead in ur defense that the guy looked "intimidating." as was said before u can only use a gun on a person in a life or feath situation, not because u are scared.
[quote=DrHye]1. I have no idea why you would rather have no chance than a slim chance. You realize even with a gun, you can do anything that you'd do if you didn't have it?
2. Same thing. Basically you're saying that, because the chances may be against you, you might as well quit altogether.
You're arguing for scenarios that have way too many important characteristics, and even then, your arguments aren't even right or safe. People don't just buy a gun and call it a day. They go to the range and practice so they know how to use it. God knows if they can shoot under pressure - there's no humane way for a civilian to practice it under the same pressure that would exist in a dangerous situation as far as I know. But like hell I'd say "Well, I have no guarantee of living, so I just won't take a shot."
I don't think you realize that, I said earlier in this post, when you have a gun, you can still do anything you'd be able to do without a gun.[/quote]
It's not that I'd rather have no chance, it's that it's such a slim chance of having the stars align in your favor. I do realize that, but a gun isn't what is going to save you, necessarily; it's the knowledge of how to use one, and unless you [i]frequently[/i] train your accuracy, you're not going to be much use. It's relying too much on a too small of a chance.
And by the last chunk of your post, it's clear that you're must be misinterpreting my original statement. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take a shot given the opportunity, assuming I have the education, it's rather that it's unrealistic to buy a gun and then assume you're going to be instantly safe.
[quote=WontPostMuch]I'm gonna buy myself a gun next month (srs) I mean, who cares if you own one or not? Idk why people make a big deal about it. So what if people use guns as a "toy" or whatever? Idk why it makes people so pissy. Yeah, I get it, all the idiots saying that teachers should be having guns and play cowboy are annoying af, but w/e there's idiots on both sides.
I want a gun because to be honest, I do find myself in pretty crazy situations a lot and I want to have something to protect myself if it comes to that. It hasn't so far but it's always good to have protection because some people are insane. Of course, being able to carry a concealed gun is still a ways away, but just having it would be neat and it isn't too late to start practicing. I also love guns just for their aesthetics.
@Gabev:
Dude, what the hell would be the point of an amendment that lets you carry a gun but not use it? Plz use ur head[/quote]
use my head? srsly just because u have the right to own a gun doesnt mean u can go out shooting it....use yours plz. and u obv didnt read a word i wrote cause i said u can only use it for self defense but seriously wats the odds of u gettin into a situation where you would need it (unless ur a criminal) and its not like you can legally carry it around with you. Wel l not in california, i dont really care about anywhere else since i live in cali.
[quote=ClementZ]For show/display, I presume[/quote]
No, for possible use. I've been in places where very f-d up things have been happening and it's not beyond belief to think of a mob situation occurring when it would come in use. I wouldn't expect to ever have to use it, but it would be great to learn how to properly use them and have them handy if need be. Def. would be great to have if I decide to live/visit [in] Central America or use it as a retreat home (via hopefully being wealthy enough to be able to afford more than one house, haha).
@DrHye:
I wouldn't know anything about it in the U.S. I do know that in Guatemala or near the border of the U.S. it's easy to get them and in Central America getting training from them is obviously possible, which is what I would aim to do.
[quote=WontPostMuch]I disagree. Will make a purchase of an assault rifle sometime in my life (also srs about this)[/quote]
I'm not gonna argue about whether or not people need one (since we both have non-changing views on assault rifles) but a question - are you just getting it for protection or are there ranges for civilians to actually practice with assault rifles for sport (or also protection)?
[quote=WontPostMuch]I disagree. Will make a purchase of an assault rifle sometime in my life (also srs about this)[/quote]
For show/display, I presume
[quote=ClementZ]A handgun for home use
A rifle or a shotgun for hunting (not sure what guns are used for hunting, so take what I say with a grain of salt).
Assault rifles shouldn't be anywhere.[/quote]
I disagree. Will make a purchase of an assault rifle sometime in my life (also srs about this)
@CavanCai:
Only if they're black or hispanic.
[quote=WontPostMuch]You're also allowed to shoot if you're threatened like someone walking over to you with a baseball bat in an intimidating way. In general, why not be strapped? Like everything else in life, just be smart about it.[/quote]
Does carrying a bag of Skittles count as being threatened?
[quote=Momijii]1. Fine then, I don't take slim chances. Allowing for concealed carry so on the off chance I'm caught in a shootout and there's an off-chance that there's someone there with a concealed weapon on the off-chance that they know how to use it, ON TOP OF the off-chance that they can aim while under pressure. Yeah, that's [i]too[/i] much of a slim chance for me.
2. Can you shoot under pressure? Mind you, one mess-up is probably going to cost you your life. That's too much chance. Assault weapons are harder to control, yes, but then there's the fact that usually they're used in scenarios with appropriate equipment, that is to say, larger clips.
@WontPostMuch: Only in states with "Stand Your Ground" laws. Not to mention you'd have to convince the jury that it was a legitimate circumstance to be threatened.[/quote]
1. I have no idea why you would rather have no chance than a slim chance. You realize even with a gun, you can do anything that you'd do if you didn't have it?
2. Same thing. Basically you're saying that, because the chances may be against you, you might as well quit altogether.
You're arguing for scenarios that have way too many important characteristics, and even then, your arguments aren't even right or safe. People don't just buy a gun and call it a day. They go to the range and practice so they know how to use it. God knows if they can shoot under pressure - there's no humane way for a civilian to practice it under the same pressure that would exist in a dangerous situation as far as I know. But like hell I'd say "Well, I have no guarantee of living, so I just won't take a shot."
I don't think you realize that, I said earlier in this post, when you have a gun, you can still do anything you'd be able to do without a gun.
A handgun for home use
A rifle or a shotgun for hunting (not sure what guns are used for hunting, so take what I say with a grain of salt).
Assault rifles shouldn't be anywhere.
That said, stricter laws won't help IMO.
"Good" people don't need laws to tell them not to shoot people.
"Bad" people will be able to get guns regardless of how strict the laws are.
why do people need to own those guns that shoot like a million rounds?
Also, if these shootings taught us anythings, its that no where is safe.
[quote=mechibi]@WontPostMuch: well i think the recent gun stuff is b/c ppl think the world was gonna end so "YOLO" but it didnt and i dont think there has been any recent shootings (after 12/21)
also arent there as many gun stores as grocery stores? so its gonna take forever for there to be rarely any guns left.
you should watch the documentary "bowling for columbine"
its hilarious. it might sound boring cuz its a documentary but watch it.[/quote]
Nah, I'm just saying that if I'm one of the last people of a generation to get arms, that puts me in a v good position haha. It's just a dumb joke, not rlly srs about it.
@WontPostMuch: well i think the recent gun stuff is b/c ppl think the world was gonna end so "YOLO" but it didnt and i dont think there has been any recent shootings (after 12/21)
also arent there as many gun stores as grocery stores? so its gonna take forever for there to be rarely any guns left.
you should watch the documentary "bowling for columbine"
its hilarious. it might sound boring cuz its a documentary but watch it.
Having a gun is fine, imo, but we need to make gun control laws stricter...like, serious psychological tests and misdemeanor charges or monitoring, probation periods. testing periods or SOMETHING to keep these events from happening
[quote=mechibi]@WontPostMuch: not everyone is smart tho. dont forget there are idiots in this world.[/quote]
I mean, if you're dumb with your guns then most likely it will be you that will be one paying for it, so no care. To be honest though, I'm enough of a scum bag to not care if guns are not sold after I purchase mine though, haha. If their presence decreases and I'm among the few that has them, all the better for me.
@Momijii
No, not quite. It applies as self-defense if you try to avoid conflict first but it is inevitable or impossible to escape. Stand your ground is basically like what it sounds like. You can defend yourself right off the bat.
[quote=DrHye]1. Didn't really answer the question, but alright?
2. Assault weapons are harder to control and would take more practice, and unless I'm wrong, it'd be damn hard to find a place to do that. It's not just a matter of who's better equipped. A psychotic criminal with very little experience using assault rifles isn't more likely to hit his target than a trained civilian with a handgun. It IS a matter of skill more than it is of which guns are being used.
While I agree that no one needs an automatic weapon outside the military, I'm already convinced you and the TS are only taking these stances based on what the media likes to talk about most.[/quote]
1. Fine then, I don't take slim chances. Allowing for concealed carry so on the off chance I'm caught in a shootout and there's an off-chance that there's someone there with a concealed weapon on the off-chance that they know how to use it, ON TOP OF the off-chance that they can aim while under pressure. Yeah, that's [i]too[/i] much of a slim chance for me.
2. Can you shoot under pressure? Mind you, one mess-up is probably going to cost you your life. That's too much chance. Assault weapons are harder to control, yes, but then there's the fact that usually they're used in scenarios with appropriate equipment, that is to say, larger clips.
@WontPostMuch: Only in states with "Stand Your Ground" laws. Not to mention you'd have to convince the jury that it was a legitimate circumstance to be threatened.
@WontPostMuch: not everyone is smart tho. dont forget there are idiots in this world.
[quote=mechibi]i think you are allowed to shoot if you get attacked first. for ex, you wont get in trouble for punching a kid as long as they hit you first.[/quote]
You're also allowed to shoot if you're threatened like someone walking over to you with a baseball bat in an intimidating way. In general, why not be strapped? Like everything else in life, just be smart about it.
[quote=WontPostMuch]I'm gonna buy myself a gun next month (srs) I mean, who cares if you own one or not? Idk why people make a big deal about it. So what if people use guns as a "toy" or whatever? Idk why it makes people so pissy. Yeah, I get it, all the idiots saying that teachers should be having guns and play cowboy are annoying af, but w/e there's idiots on both sides.
I want a gun because to be honest, I do find myself in pretty crazy situations a lot and I want to have something to protect myself if it comes to that. It hasn't so far but it's always good to have protection because some people are insane. Of course, being able to carry a concealed gun is still a ways away, but just having it would be neat and it isn't too late to start practicing. I also love guns just for their aesthetics.
@Gabev:
Dude, what the hell would be the point of an amendment that lets you carry a gun but not use it? Plz use ur head[/quote]
i think you are allowed to shoot if you get attacked first. for ex, you wont get in trouble for punching a kid as long as they hit you first.
I'm gonna buy myself a gun next month (srs) I mean, who cares if you own one or not? Idk why people make a big deal about it. So what if people use guns as a "toy" or whatever? Idk why it makes people so pissy. Yeah, I get it, all the idiots saying that teachers should be having guns and play cowboy are annoying af, but w/e there's idiots on both sides.
I want a gun because to be honest, I do find myself in pretty crazy situations a lot and I want to have something to protect myself if it comes to that. It hasn't so far but it's always good to have protection because some people are insane. Of course, being able to carry a concealed gun is still a ways away, but just having it would be neat and it isn't too late to start practicing. I also love guns just for their aesthetics.
@Gabev:
Dude, what the hell would be the point of an amendment that lets you carry a gun but not use it? Plz use ur head
[quote=Momijii]1. Didn't say a ban on hand-guns that could be carried on person, but was rather talking about a reality: you, an average citizen, are probably not going to hit your target before you're seen.
2. Assault weapon versus someone who can (probably) barely use a hand-gun. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of who's better equipped.[/quote]
1. Didn't really answer the question, but alright?
2. Assault weapons are harder to control and would take more practice, and unless I'm wrong, it'd be damn hard to find a place to do that. It's not just a matter of who's better equipped. A psychotic criminal with very little experience using assault rifles isn't more likely to hit his target than a trained civilian with a handgun. It IS a matter of skill more than it is of which guns are being used.
While I agree that no one needs an automatic weapon outside the military, I'm already convinced you and the TS are only taking these stances based on what the media likes to talk about most.
Ridiculous and unnecessary, to the ppl who worry about home invasions then go take a dam self defense class. The odds of u havin ur home gettin robbed and u there are very, very low. The second amendment allows u to carry a gun, not use it. U are not legally allowed to use a gun on another human unless you are in a life/death situation and they have a gun pointed at u. if there were no guns or any for sale and such imagine how much smaller our yearly number of murders would be. In 2011 there were estimated to be over 8000 deaths from firearms, the stastic (maybe outdated) is 89 ppl to 100 own guns in the U.S. In britain its as low as 6 too 100 (again maybe outdated). In 2011 Britain had only 550 murders and unlike U.S's 8000+ the britsih 550 murders arent from guns alone like the U.S the U.S has 11000+ murders in 2011 while 8000+ where from firearms. So are guns a problem? i think so...
Tldr- i hate guns.
we cant rlly controll ppl. not like stricter gun laws will stop anything. people got ways, connections.
afterall guns dont kill people. people kill people
[quote=DrHye]1. So you'd rather have no chance than take slim chances?
2. Why do you think a criminal is likely to be more skilled with a firearm than the civilian?[/quote]
1. Didn't say a ban on hand-guns that could be carried on person, but was rather talking about a reality: you, an average citizen, are probably not going to hit your target before you're seen.
2. Assault weapon versus someone who can (probably) barely use a hand-gun. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of who's better equipped.
[quote=Momijii]That's the whole point of the his/her friend's post. Guns for self-defense, or rather as a method of "fighting back" if a shooting happened, is not realistic because the chances of you having that gun on you are slim, not to mention the chances of you being able to hit the person even slimmer.[/quote]
1. So you'd rather have no chance than take slim chances?
2. Why do you think a criminal is likely to be more skilled with a firearm than the civilian?
Not to mention that, as the guy said, firearms are also used for sport. Hunting and target shooting. Now let me ask this - who do you think practices more on the range: the impatient criminal or the civilian?
Assault weapons should be banned. They're not used in hunting, and they're too much for self-defense. Same goes with high-quantity clips. On hunting weapons and self-defense guns, there need to be licenses. Just like your driver's license, you need to get it updated regularly and when you get it updated, you need to prove you have adequate knowledge of your weapon still.
@Schnitzelol: That's the whole point of the his/her friend's post. Guns for self-defense, or rather as a method of "fighting back" if a shooting happened, is not realistic because the chances of you having that gun on you are slim, not to mention the chances of you being able to hit the person even slimmer.
[quote=ryuzaki124]what if you like to go hunting with an aSsault rifle eh? EH?[/quote]
well that's another story - in that case i think people should go through a psycholog before having a license