General

Chat

Watched the trailer for quotThe Visitquot and it got me thinking

Lots of people were going on about how M. Night Shyamalan is a terrible writer and director and that his last good movie was The Sixth Sense.
I'm not someone who watches horror movies all the time but honestly, it was a pretty legitimately scary movie trailer and I couldn't see why people were taking a poop all over the movie.
It could be that the rest of the movie just isn't horrifying enough or it doesn't leave a lasting scare for audience members, as some movies sometimes do, so my question to you all is:

How [i]is[/i] a horror movie judged and how [i]should[/i] a horror movie be judged? By its scariness? If so, why? Or is it judged based upon its content and ability to make people "think?" If so, then why?

Just something to think about :]

May 24, 2015

10 Comments • Newest first

hangwithhung

@Xreniya: haha yeah I think I need to pay attention to movies a bit more cos I usually just wait for things to happen and I don't look for what's actually going on

ahhhh this is interesting! thanks!

Reply May 25, 2015
Xreniya

@hangwithhung: Even without the surprise of the twist ending, the movie was great anyways. I especially liked the ending, up in that lighthouse. The silence is almost tangible. You can feel it, far, far away. I love Scorsese

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrTRjEXjSM]Scorsese and silence[/url]

Reply May 25, 2015
hangwithhung

@Xreniya: haha yes i did watch that one but i totally saw the end coming. i'd watched Tale of Two Sisters just a few nights earlier and I couldn't stop expecting a flip at the end. Idk, I think if I watched Shutter Island before ToTS, I may have had a better review of it

Reply May 25, 2015
Xreniya

[quote=hangwithhung]@Xreniya: Hmmm haven't watched Carrie. I watched The Shining and Silence of the Lambs, though :] I thought they were okay. For The Shining what scared me the most was the deterioration of the family... it's not horrifying, it's just sad to think about and I'd be scared to be put in that situation. I haven't read the book though so there's that, too. Silence of the Lambs was a little weird. Wasn't really horrifying to me. Just a little unnerving.

Still gotta watch the Ring and Battle Royale. Thanks for the suggestions :][/quote]

How about Shutter Island? It's not technically a horror, it's a "psychological thriller," so idk if it's that scary
But it definitely creeped me out, and it's a very good movie anyways

Reply May 25, 2015
hangwithhung

@Xreniya: Hmmm haven't watched Carrie. I watched The Shining and Silence of the Lambs, though :] I thought they were okay. For The Shining what scared me the most was the deterioration of the family... it's not horrifying, it's just sad to think about and I'd be scared to be put in that situation. I haven't read the book though so there's that, too. Silence of the Lambs was a little weird. Wasn't really horrifying to me. Just a little unnerving.

Still gotta watch the Ring and Battle Royale. Thanks for the suggestions :]

Reply May 25, 2015
Xreniya

@hangwithhung i believe the horror films that are considered good are films like Carrie, The Shining, Silence of the Lambs
Maybe The Ring and Battle Royale? not sure

Reply May 25, 2015
hangwithhung

@xreniya i actually haven't seen enough of his movies haha.
Idk my friends and I like to watch it to see who flips first and it's more for a dare than for anything else but if I'm going to be watching them often, I might as well find some kind of meaning in it. I think you're right, there is that atmospheric, shock, and jump scare and... I feel like american horror movies all go for last one and a few dip into the second. I can't think of one that dips into the atmospheric one because for the most part everyone just wants to see slasher. However, I might need a more concise definition of atmospheric because atm I'm thinking psycho/drama which can be its own sense of horror/dread depending on how you look at it.

thanks!

Reply May 24, 2015
Xreniya

i dont know much about horror because i dont like it i think its stupid
but from what ive heard there seems to be different types of horror: atmospheric, shock, and jump scares
apparently people think atmospheric horror is way more respectable or something and shock and jump scares are cheap and shallow
im inclined to agree, i guess

also it's fun to hate on m night shamlaasdladingdong
maybe they're picking up on something you're not :O

Reply May 24, 2015
hangwithhung

@omegathorion so horror movies should be judged by the genre then? and the ratings should reflect that? to be honest I've never dabbled too much in horror movies so I can't say I have quite a taste for it haha. The biggest question I had was whether or not the matter of perspective played a role or not in determining if something was creepy. For example, personally, most things that are unexpected, such as sudden materialization of people/things, regardless of how scary, are rather horrifying if the music is done right. I mean I've been around the elderly in a lot of situations and it's not uncommon to see signs of dementia, forgetfulness, etc. The trailer kind of creeps me out now, because sometimes those with deteriorating mental conditions do become aggressive or suffer acute bouts of amnesia and that in and of itself kind of makes you think, "what does it mean to have these memories," and to think that everything you know and believe is some construct of experiences and not tangible or real enough to truly be permanent is entirely unnerving. And then the fact that it could happen to someone else and then they attack you is just as scary, albeit on a different level.

I watched "A Tale of Two Sisters" (it's a Korean psycho-horror Drama) that utterly screwed with my head. I loved it, and it was honestly a really well put together movie in my opinion (though it was the first one I had truly dedicated myself to watching) with occasional flashes, things that made you look at the screen long and hard and when you figured out what you were looking at, you freaked, etc. And then the denouement of the movie really just does come so far from left field that it made you reconsider the entire movie in just a few seconds, I thought that was the real kicker of the movie.

Thanks for your input, though. I'm just trying to get a feel for what others see to be truly scary and other things they see as kinda not worth spending time watching.

Reply May 24, 2015
Omegathorion

Let me see if I can dig up an old Basil post I wrote. I worked on a horror game for a little bit and learned some very interesting things from the experience.

Probably can't find it. Well, anyway:

Horror is interesting because it's not so much about the actual thing being depicted as it is about the WAY you depict it. You can have a super scary monster covered in blood and guts, but if it's just standing there and not moving and it's well-lit from all angles, there's nothing to be scared about. On the other end of the spectrum, you can have the happiest thing you can possibly imagine, but a good horror director can find a way to twist the situation to make it look scary. Take... a birthday balloon, for example. What if you had a shot where it was like a bright red birthday balloon floating through a pure grey sky? That would be kind of unnerving. Or maybe pair the balloon with some kind of sound effect, use creepy music to bring the tension up and up and then suddenly jump cut to an innocent little balloon. There are plenty of ways.

I just watched the trailer, and it was... long. Drawn out. It showed a lot of things, but horror isn't about showing things. Horror's about NOT showing things, and letting your viewer's imaginations run wild with speculation, which turns into fear.

Reply May 24, 2015 - edited