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[quote=huy123]It hits 2 times both hitting 50% of what hurricane does. 110% x 2 = 220%
ok so an extra 28% dex is a lot buttheres still more to it than just an arrow that's pottable[/quote]

Maybe because Magic Arrows also recieve weapon potential and that throughout 2nd to 4th job, they have buffs that increase their attack and damage.

I'd like them to actually fix the numerous amount of glitches that I listed out in my thread earlier. =/

[quote=johny2toes]It's not the same damage. -_-
Ishtar's Ring is less then HALF the % dmg of Hurricane.
The reason why it's a lot easier for Mercedes to hit the dmg cap compared to BMs is 'cause their Magical Shield gets weapon potential on it.[/quote]It hits 2 times both hitting 50% of what hurricane does. 110% x 2 = 220%
ok so an extra 28% dex is a lot buttheres still more to it than just an arrow that's pottable

[quote=huy123]same damage and speed. Which is why I assume we're getting 20%+ more in damage to be equal. I do want a longer duration on puppet though since it absorbs damage..... Unlike Mercedes where it's an active skill[/quote]

It's not the same damage. -_-
Ishtar's Ring is less then HALF the % dmg of Hurricane.
The reason why it's a lot easier for Mercedes to hit the dmg cap compared to BMs is 'cause their Magical Shield gets weapon potential on it.

[quote=bluebomber24]I say only raise the damage cap if they make bosses stronger. The last time I found a boss challenging was that old Panda in dojo. I can't recall another boss that entertained me so much and annoyingly killed me multiple times.[/quote]
True... Post bb was for the death of pb. I'm not even sure kms beat cygnus yet... If not oh well I'm misinformed. My reason for this raise was that the recents posts of Mercedes show a near 999k damage per arrow with buffs + potions and legendary potential

Everyone gets ultimates. HAHAHAHA
OT: Sorry. We're probably just getting a few skills tweaked a bit, or maybe something to do with our HP/Defense.

I say only raise the damage cap if they make bosses stronger. The last time I found a boss challenging was that old Panda in dojo. I can't recall another boss that entertained me so much and annoyingly killed me multiple times.

@tenseiga1 honestly I agree we've been majorly buffed but Mercedes have dominated along with demon slayer since the legend patch. From what I recall Mercedes has AFA and A skill like SL. So by saying that we are in need of a nerf is unlikely. Nexon isn't touching the new classes anytime during these updates.

The quiver idea is just an [b]IDEA[/b] nothing to flame about, Mercedes has a magic arrow that's potentiable so a quiver idea is good, it doesn't have to be true. This thread was ment for thoughts and ideas. There is no precise answer until the update is made. So please can you stop talking smack on this matter

@linking note what I said above. But it's a good point though. I mean Mercedes has nothing to do with soul arrow. But what sucks for us are dispels....... We have to rebuff to shoot (they probably have more to buff than bm but I'm not gonna look into it)

@wrdaznchowme I'd like that since legendary pots are making ranges succeed 500k with all buffs and potions. But I think it would cause a few issues to arise but I don't know anything about computers and 32-bit games (I'm lazy to google rather play the game/comment on basil)

After thinking for a bit. I believe nexon is adding beginner skills that adds like lvl 20 (personality trait here) demon slayer and Mercedes has this so why not everyone else. At least slots like cannon shooters ._.

[quote=bluebomber24]Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
3) Mercedes is NOT that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when soul arrow is active, the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.[/quote]

So you want to make soul arrow a useless skill? *does not comprehend*

@ChibiCross, well lets hope mobs get buff this time around? ahahaha.

Lets give green snails a skill that can hit multiple people multiple times!

If they are buffing all characters, then they should buff monsters as well O_O

[quote=wrdaznchowme]I'm guessing NLs are getting exactly what BMs have.
Nexon's gonna give them spirit link except with shadow partner, and probably star hurricane and call it a day.

*Edit*
Sorry, I forgot all the other things they're probably gonna get... like:
Archer mastery (the speed boost + range thing idea)
AFA?
And something that makes auto-crit when they get missed?[/quote]

I think it's really going to be more than what most of us expect. They even went and put in the extra effort of getting new class graphics for Thieves and Pirates for it. xD

@tenseiga1: *Reads trash posts. Reads my owns. Looks at purpose of the revamp. Laughs at trash post.* Seems like you don't understand with Outside of Magical Arrows mean at all.

@bluebomber24: Seriously, you need to stop trying to bring people's hopes up by creating an imaginary quiver system "to balance BM to Mercedes," which you said it yourself.
[quote=bluebomber24]Now imo, [b]to be balanced with Mercs[/b] Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows.[/quote]

Your post are the stuff that is making people delusional, not mine, so stop hating.
Archers already got a big power boost and mobility boost and you ask for more, AGAIN, with your over done desires to match Mercedes. You're the one that needs to stop flooding threads with your unrealistic stuff.

@Vipe: Now you, sir, are the only one thinking realistically.

@Lejendus: I use arrows all the time, it takes QUITE awhile for my hurricane to use up just 8 slots, that's more than 45mins of training time on average with 8 slots. Your first two comments are your opinion which is fine. Your third comment, I realized I made a typo, so you are correct.

@illogik: Actually that was misphrased I forgot a word. I just noticed. I meant to say that Mercedes is NOT that stronger than Archers outside of her Magical Arrows. My realistic option and my unrealistic option of changes to Archers reflect that. I have shown it so many times that other than Magical Arrows they are on par, so I have no reason to change that obvious fact.

@tenseiga1: Please, don't bother me with your trash.

[quote=bluebomber24]Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
3) Mercedes is that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when soul arrow is active, the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.[/quote]

So you finally admit that Mercedes is stronger. I told you so!
You're even making an imaginary equipment to make BM balanced with Mercedes. That's funny.

And your reality wise comments... can't be serious.
You're expecting a tiny mobility boost? Archers are the only class that can break the 140 speed cap while on foot AND they got double jump and you're expecting MORE mobility? You can't be serious.

FA: 200 arrows per/min x 150% = 30,000%
AFA: 350 arrows per/min x 210% = 73,500%
AFA alone makes BM so overpowered and you're expecting more dmg boost... You really can't be serious..

@huy123:
Notes show they upped Mercedes' Break Defense from 25% to 30% and then lastly from 30% to 40%.
OT: As long as AFA stays at 70% activation rate and double jump stays, I wouldn't mind other changes.

@illogik: lol

Meh... I only really expect an increased boost in some of our skills if Nexon was really worried about all the players massively bandwagoning into legend classes. It isn't for a long time for GMS so I am not all that worried about these new revamps; Though if I could find some more info on the matter, no problem to be well prepared.

@huy123: hm understandable curiosity and what not but we'll know soon enough videos come out and people blog about it eventually before GMS gets it usually.

[quote=Kirenisa]We've got a while to go before we get this... so I'm not to worried.. we don't get this until sometime next year I'd assume since we usually get our content about 6 months after they do.[/quote]

To be honest I just wonder what's updated. It's already known that you are 6 months behind of kms. Worried or not, it's still goon to come to why not look at it now. I don't need people saying this is kms and stuff.... I'm just wondering content wise

We've got a while to go before we get this... so I'm not to worried.. we don't get this until sometime next year I'd assume since we usually get our content about 6 months after they do.

[quote=illogik]B-b-b but according to you bm's are on par with mercs so that could not possibly be their reasoning.[/quote]

Not exactly. There's the over 500k damage per arrow for a Mercedes already.... Not to mention a few other damage % buffs that over power bm by a bit and to be more technical, they have more critical individually and more %evasiveness than us. With a 30% to ignore 100% so they are oping us by a bit if you spend thousands on this game

[quote=bluebomber24]Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
[b]Legend creation was only for a limited time. They stopped allowing new Legend classes to be made a couple of weeks ago.[/b]
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
[b]They keep buffing classes so that they have room to expand. If they add stronger bosses, we can't kill them at all (PB, Cygnus etc), so they buff us so we can beat these bosses and they can add further content. It's only natural.[/b]
3) Mercedes is that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.
[b]Explorer Archers are in a really good place right now. They REALLY do not need the attention yet. Other classes should definitely have higher priority.[/b]

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when [i]soul arrow is active[/i], the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.[/quote]

Added my comments on the points you raised. Also, if Soul Arrow makes the quiver inactive, you may as well not have a quiver; Hurricane spends normal arrows WAYYYYY too quickly. ~8 arrows a second means bossing will be impossible if you want to keep your quiver bonus.

[quote=edwinmz]omg omg omg we are gonna get quadruple throw 8=D~ ! so excited.[/quote]

NL waits so long just to be able to throw 1 extra star? No thanks. Quad Throw is the worse skill nexon can put in!

In November, so not for us. Just for KMS

they better fix UA hp/mp problems AND THERE INVENTORY SLOTS GOD DAMN ITS SO ANNOYING

[quote=bluebomber24]Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
3) Mercedes is that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when soul arrow is active, the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.[/quote]

Agree 100%. What I'm hoping, though, is that Nexon will give everyone new skill animations, fix ALL useless skills and try to "rebalance" this time instead of doing it every three seconds.

Also, if the quiver is inactive while Soul Arrow is active, then that's pretty useless. What Nexon should do is change Soul Arrow's effect into adding like (maybe) +20 attack and just adding lots of new quivers, arrows, and crossbows. That, and adding a "Pouch System" for stars, arrow, crossbows, bullets, etc.

Really, these are just basic idea but you can see what Nexon can really accomplish if they weren't so dumb.

[quote=shadowthedark]@huy123: That makes sense. Their hurricane is 120% and hits twice right? So it's 240%.[/quote]

110% x2 RoI = 220% hurricane without buffs

@above I don't think it will be so major as in new skills. It's just increase damage to match with Demon slayers and Mercedes. Apartly in kms it's the only jobs on. I hope it's all balanced so every class isn't bashed on

Wow more revamps? all the better hopefully they buff us heros more, but then again this will be after ds, merc and cs... btw thats november KMS so u can expect these updates for may/ summer ish..

[quote=shadowthedark]Well, GMS might combine it into one like they did with Jump. But anyways, I doubt we'll be on par with Mercedes on 1v1 damage, but we'll up there with them.
Question, does Mercedes dual hurricane thing attack fast than the bowman on since it's two arrows at the same time? Or did they make it equal?[/quote] same damage and speed. Which is why I assume we're getting 20%+ more in damage to be equal. I do want a longer duration on puppet though since it absorbs damage..... Unlike Mercedes where it's an active skill

I just don't want to have to redistribute skills again. ugh >.<

[quote=stikkahs]it cant be all that awesome.. they're probobally going re redo some damage and AR's animation so it doesn't look like we're just attacking the thing in front of us with the bow. i think the revamp is based on theifs and that they've been planning this for a while. Lukless sins were so popular even the word "lukless sin" was inserted into at least 20-30% of all igns at the time i think they like to vamp the classes and make one overpowered at a time to make the bandwagoners playing, this patch is coming early because we anticipated alot of people going to archers but it didn't really happen so they're putting the power back in the lukless NL [/quote]

Dexless not lukless lol.
It's also a possiblitiy that they're trying to even out all classes at once.

Ar is fine as is o.o it's just I don't know how we'll compare to Mercedes unless they increase %Damage

@above the link shows the same image as the one posted here on basil. It's translated and surprisingly theif and pirates are updates last while next month archer's get ours

I thought only Thieves and Pirates get revamped.

[quote=stikkahs]it cant be all that awesome.. they're probobally going re redo some damage and AR's animation so it doesn't look like we're just attacking the thing in front of us with the bow. i think the revamp is based on theifs and that they've been planning this for a while. Lukless sins were so popular even the word "lukless sin" was inserted into at least 20-30% of all igns at the time i think they like to vamp the classes and make one overpowered at a time to make the bandwagoners playing, this patch is coming early because we anticipated alot of people going to archers but it didn't really happen so they're putting the power back in the lukless NL [/quote]

You mean dexless sins? o.O Sorry, kind of stuck out a bit TOO much
OT: I really just want some form of a mob control move. I find myself pressing the key I used to have DB on out of habit at times o.O

[quote=bluebomber24]Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
3) Mercedes is that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when soul arrow is active, the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.[/quote]
I feel the same. After reading what you've said. I'm going to expect the damage cap to become higher.
Overall I don't want to be op so 20% or 30% damage is all I can predict will be added

quiver system is a nice idea but nexon woudnt do that for years.... But who knows

Here are my thoughts/what I would like based on these reasoning:

1) Nexon probaly isn't pleased that KMS is overrun with Mercs and DSes.
2) Nexon's goal is to boost every class to Legend's level.
3) Mercedes is NOT that stronger than explorer archers outside of her Magical Arrows.

Reality wise, there is not much KMS can do to make us better when looking at the Mercedes/Demonslayer Benchmark. Odds are Nexon will give some of our skills a slight damage boost, maybe a tiny mobility boost, and make us look even flashier. Anything else would surprise me.

Now imo, to be balanced with Mercs Nexon probably should implement a quiver system. Which is perfect since Mercs don't have quivers but Magical arrows. Here is my idea, the quivers would be an equip that operates like a Mineral/Herb pouch in which it can hold arrows. The first pouch beginning at level 30 and having four slots and the last pouch being level 120 and having 12 slots.The quivers would not have any stats but would be potentiable. If no arrows are in the quiver OR when soul arrow is active, the quiver becomes inactive and no stats from the equip will benefit the player.

What is this, I don't even.

Just leave the classes alone, my god, Nexon.

[quote=ItachiThe7th]November for KMS. We wont get revamp until around june.[/quote]

Ya I forgot to mention that. thanks btw

BMs are getting revamped again? Care to post a link or something....