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@kiirori: At no point did I say that the people are asking for pre BB.

A better choice of words on my part was that old school mmo grind fest "Feel". No one asked for pre BB just maplestory without the p2w aspect.

@lithemovement: i dont think you coverd anything. what we stated have nothing in commen besides :nexon is a company and it needs profit. what you saying now is more like, because both U.S. and Russia are fighting agaisnt ISIS right now so they are doing the same thing wiht different implication to help solving the situation.

Considering there's no trade, no economy, nothing of the sort, I don't get why you guys are complaining about what other people do. There's not a single way it's going to affect you, really. Not one.
Sure it's kind of lame of Nexon to do this, but if Joe #1 buys $200 worth of meso sacks to cube his UNTRADEABLE gear, buy UNTRADEABLE potions, and purchase some UNTRADEABLE character slot coupons, why on earth should that matter to Joe #2 over here who, wisely, doesn't have to spend a dime?

well enjoy the grind fest, see you on main servers in like 2.5 weeks. I feel like most rebooters are going to go reboot for the wrong reasons. Reboot is a clean server where no one is godly yet, granted. Apparently when you see someone else having "high numbers", you get mad and think ew he/she must of spent thousands on the game. But what about the unheard of guy/girl that plays for fun got to about 300k-400k range on the main server through sheer effort and doesnt care about the nx spenders. How does another person spending nx influence your game play? If you want to grind, grind. If you want to spend, spend. I honestly hope you guys enjoy reboot and it doesnt turn into a " oh he bots his mesos to get cubes so of course he is godly". People will always compare to each other and make excuses for why they don't have something. Which at the end of the day is meaningless, just have fun.

@jaytokyo "The server is pretty much directed at those who want that old school grind fest work ethic version of MS."

and that old school version of maple included meso sacks.. so what's the problem?

@typhillion: Don't you see Typhillion??? that pet snail represents the end of the game.
The End Is Nigh!

@aclassact: How?
Everyone gets a free pet snail.

The real problem is not Reboot being ruined, if you are going to spend NX, spend it on the main servers. To be honest, I'm more annoyed at the fact there is no free way to acquire pets than the meso bags themselves, that's the only thing really stoping me from playing Reboot more than a week (puffram's duration; playing Reboot - or even regular Maplestory - without pets is a pain), but I do understand why people are disappointed.

People were expecting a completely NX free server, if meso bags were there from the beginning, people would probably not be as annoyed, although selling mesos in a server where NX items can be purchased with meso... Thankfully the meso bags are notoriously bad and if you're going to invest NX, Reboot is the worse place to do it, the real problem is Nexon basically lying to us and implementing something that might not even generate that much profit. Wouldn't be surprised if they removed it as soon as people bought them to test them and figure they suck.

Tbh, I don't really care about the meso sacks. I'm in it to run the 5 miles myself, regardless of how other people finish the race.

But still, that update to the patch notes is kinda silly lol. Is mentioning the level limit supposed to be a way to appease the people who don't like the meso sacks idea? If the problem is the concept that people can just use the meso sacks to buy cubes, it would probably have the most impact at the late game anyway.

@lazyfaux: But potentials were released in GMS summer of 2010...not 2011

OT: Site got updated. 3 footnotes added to the bottom of the Reboot Meso Sacks area:
The meso sack is limited to Lv. 150+ characters.
Upon reaching Lv.150 in Reboot World, your character is awarded a large amount of free meso as a reward.
The Reboot Meso Sack is intended for players who reach Lv. 150 and wish to ease their experience with even more meso.

@jerry5000: Oh my God, nevermind...
I pretty much covered what you just said in the first post - are the implications really too much for you?

@lazyfaux: i dont think what i said has anything to do wiht economy, kido, unless you dunno the definition of economy. yeah there is such point when consumers dont wanna support the company and stop buying from them. but is this the case that nexon is facing right now? lol just check all those black friday box annocement everyday after reset last week, nexon's doing a good job.

as for what nexon decide to do its none of your business, nor mine. its the ceo's problem. just like ppl were having a peptition against violet cubes, they did it anyways and this time it would be the same.

@lithemovement: how does this affect nexon's public image?
nexon's public image =free to play game.
are you forced to buy nx when u dont want to? is there any kinda of scam like when u spent ur money and cannot received the service that nexon agreed to give you? you can still experience the same content wiht those p2w players in reboot server (unlike normal server),but slower. does that really makes you uncomfortable or you just being salty?

@jerry5000: I specifically mentioned "public image" too.

@jerry5000: There's also a point when the consumer doesn't see the point in buying the item, therefore, practicing their rights as Free Market Capitalists. Nexon is going down the drain, because they practice bad business, and push their audience away.

From someone such as yourself, explaining simple economics in a childish manner, I'd expect you to realize this. lmao

@lithemovement: all commercial company are greedy, as they should be. tahts why they are called commercial company rather than a not-for-profit company ok? lets say you work for a company, would you like some bonus income, or you just want that lower-than-industry average income? profit aint coming out of no where, it comes out from the customer. for a company theres nothing called enough, the more the better.

@microsoft: Considering that actually worked, they'll never go back to it. Their highest profit margins were recorded in 2011 and 2012. The year, and following year potentials were introduced. Now look at it. P2W clearly doesn't work. lmao.

People saying "Nexon is a company, they need to make money" are right, but I find it hard to use as a justification for the decisions they are making. They can make money, but can't they at least SEEM less greedy about it? Public image is a thing, but I guess if you've got a market audience like Nexon's, it just doesn't matter.

P2W isn't even all that bad, it's this Pay2Gamble business that's utter nonsense.
I think JayTokyo is also right about how counterintuitive this decision is.

I get it: Nexon is a company and they need to make money. But in Reboot they should do it the same way they used to BEFORE Potentials were released: 90-day NX. That was a good way for them to make money. People just paying every 3 months to get the looks they like.

@jaytokyo: godbless, finally an analogy i can use

OT: For the people saying "nexon needs profit", this argument is honestly so stupid.
Did nexon implement a pay to win feature for the pink bean class? no
Did nexon implement a pay to win feature in the alishan patch? no
Firepower? Black Heaven? 10th Anniversary? no...
I don't see why they suddenly need to add meso sacks into a server that obviously brought a massive amount of hype, and attracted old players who had previously quit? (see; maplestory subreddit, recent basil posts)
They obviously see an opportunity to make money. In the game's current state, Nexon obviously aren't happy with the amount of profit they are making.

@ohwellz: I think it's because you can buy items that would normally be cash items using mesos. So nx -> mesos -> cash items, or something to that affect. I'm not 100% sure though, so don't quote me haha.

i agree with most of ur point. it aint charity. nexon is a company it need profit its as simple as that.

whoever think meso sack is bad are just typical salty ppl on basil.

the guy above me made it real clear, why u care when u cannot trade anyways. they cant get better coz they are unable to, and they dont want others to get better

as for those who think ppl willing to make nx from other world and use it in reboot world, i can only say how hilarious is that.

why invest the money into reboot when its 100% no refund, if you stays in normal server you can get rid of them when you
decide to quit eventhou it may be only a proportion of wut you paid/earned.

But better not make any assumption right now abt how much meso u gain from meso sack or how much meso you make off monster, the real rate in game is very likely to be significant different from the assumptions you made.

Should be more scared about how Pet's auto meso pickup is going to ruin the game ...

But whats the point of mesos if you cant buy/sell/trade?

You just don't understand the appeal of the server do you?

I'm going to make it as simple as possible; Why create a server under the guise of work>Money and then enable you to get by with using real money. It defeats the purpose of the entire server.

Nexon wouldn't go bankrupt from the server being completely based on work ethic because I doubt all their players are going to abandon the several hundred dollars they spent to get their beautiful capping damage.

Your post makes no sense at all. The server is pretty much directed at those who want that old school grind fest work ethic version of MS.

Again an even simpler analogy; We all decided to join a 5 mile run, We all are excited and prepare for the event and then on the day of the race they decide to implement taxis to those who feel like paying for it. So then what was the point of preparing for the race if you can just catch a cab?

@fradddd: Using NX sold and bought in other worlds, then used to buy meso sacks in Reboot could be a problem. lol.

Eh, if it does give a SIGNIFICANT amount of Meso, I'll probably just not play Maple anymore. Nexon always finds a way to ruin something for me.

The thing is, we don't know if

-Nexon will make the meso sacks give like 200mil
-Nexon will reduce the amount of mesos we get compared to KMS

People were talking about buying cosmetic items for NX because they had an appreciation of Reboot world. That would've been some income.
And it's not like most people are even gonna go to Reboot. The major merchants will definitely stay in the regular world because they've already built their kingdoms there, and they will continue to buy NX, so I don't see how Nexon would lose much money from Reboot. I dunno. They never lose money anyway, since NX is virtual.

Cosmetics seemed to make Nexon quite the large profit sales, just saying. Not only that, but did you notice the player base was easily 10 fold what it is now?

The only reason Nexon did moderately well in 2011-2012 was because Potentials were just released, as time went on, the game's profit margins, along with it's population began to decline heavily. I won't fret too much, but it may be a problem with people using NX earned from other servers, and using it to buy Meso Sacks in Reboot.

Meso bags were heavily nerfed back in 2005 ~ 2006 because some haxors on JMS abused it and ruined the economy over there.. those meso bags would never be that popular on global nor reboot