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im a lumi, 150k clean, i solo in 20-22

@CherryTigers: I was planning on recubing my bonus pots for % attack anyways I just figured that there'd never be too much attack xD Plus the only piece of gear Im missing is my fafnir claw, which I might land some boss damage as well as some pdr, or something of the sort ;o But I'll be sure to keep it~ I didn't really want to take it off at gollux to test it and let my team down! xD

[quote=CherryTigers]@iEatNoobz Very interesting. I will look into this. I plan on making a level 200 evan and 200 battle mage simply because I have the gear. I'll test this and see if my damage is noticeably reduced between chaos pierre and gollux.

Thank you for sharing this with me.[/quote]

Theoretically, the best way to test this would be by having two classes who hit the same on normal bosses (preferably below 50m so that you don't make any mistakes in theoretical damage) and have them both hit Gollux, one who has elemental ignore and one who doesn't. Anyways, good luck with funding your mages and trying this out!
P.S. I'm not sure which classes can specifically take advantage of this, but I've heard for sure that Evans are one.

@iEatNoobz Very interesting. I will look into this. I plan on making a level 200 evan and 200 battle mage simply because I have the gear. I'll test this and see if my damage is noticeably reduced between chaos pierre and gollux.

Thank you for sharing this with me.

@CherryTigers: There seems to be a natural, large, damage reduction at Gollux regardless of who you are, and I'm saying that Evans and a few other classes have the ability to ignore that reduction. I never said anything about CRA, I'm only talking about Gollux. The 50% (?) damage reduction I'm talking about is NOT the same as pdr%. And just because a class can ignore the damage reduction on Gollux doesn't mean they're the only ones who can be at the top, as an overly funding person could hit a theoretical 100m on a 50% damage reduction to hit 50m. But yes, Evans, among a few other classes, have a much easier time at Gollux. I've had ally members with much lower ranges and boss% values than me who soloed Gollux faster on the same difficultly because they were able to hit their true damage. Classes that can ignore the damage reduction do have an easier time at Gollux, but that's really Gollux alone, and doesn't necessarily justify the inflation of gear unless a bunch of people start playing a specific class just to take down Gollux.

[quote=iEatNoobz]Then why is it that some classes can completely ignore Gollux's damage reduction without an insane amount of pdr%[/quote]

Elemental reduction does not mean that if I hit 50m on chaos pierre, that I will hit 50m on chaos vellum. It doesn't work like that. I don't know any character that can do that.

%pdr is also very necessary. Every character needs %pdr, regardless of elemental reduction or none. If not, wouldn't you expect pally, evan, advanturer mages, lumi, etc to be at the TOP TOP TOP of the dps due to ignorning all defenses? And %int would be the most expensive in the whole market.

[quote=CherryTigers]@iEatNoobz: Fire poison mages have elemental ignore.[/quote]

Then why is it that some classes can completely ignore Gollux's damage reduction without an insane amount of pdr%

@iEatNoobz: Fire poison mages have elemental ignore.

U will need about 100k more range buffed and about 100% boss and about 100% PDR (additive). However, u don't need what @jrealdeal said unless ur soloing HELL gollux which is insanely harder.

@iEatNoobz though CPierre also has phys resist. even so, I don't recall Gollux having huge amounts of PDR. not that I could easily find the PDR for Gollux for each form. only for like Easy and Normal and those were 50~70? maybe it is a bit high but I'd imagine CPierre to be around the same at least so not sure

[quote=CherryTigers]@Cincinna Honestly, I would tell you to keep the %pdr emblem. If you want to cube %atk, use bonus cubes. %atk on bonus cubes are the exact same lines as on normal pot.

You can get 30% atk on a legendary bonus pot if you spray millions of nx onto it probably. In a more realistic case, you can grab a good 2 %atk line with prob around 60k nx.

And does %pdr matter in Gollux? It does. Here's a picture...
http://i.imgur.com/tufhe2V.jpg
I easily cap on all lines on chaos pierre. I'd hit past 100m per line on him if the damage cap was removed.
In gollux... I hit 45m per line tops.
(all calculations are shown without the use of infinity)[/quote]

I believe that rather than a high pdr% rate, Gollux simply has a damage reduction (element?).
This is shown by most people having their damage roughly halved whereas classes with elemental ignore (such as Evans and Paladins) hit their full damage.

I would say around 250k range with 100% boss damage should be enough for 20 minutes or even less. At the eye stage, night lords basically have infinite time and don't have to worry about dying.

asking for range is useless without knowing %Boss, %Total, %Ignore.
if the person recommending a certain range, you wouldn't know how your range compares since the person most likely has a different %Boss/%total/%Ignore.
in the end you'll just get a [i]large[/i] range of ranges which can all potentially work with the correct %Boss/%Total/%Ignore

asking for dmg output would remove the need to know all 4 variables and just 1 is needed (and this is the number that you actually want in the end anyways).
you'll get a smaller range of answers that would be closer to what you actually want.

@Cincinna Honestly, I would tell you to keep the %pdr emblem. If you want to cube %atk, use bonus cubes. %atk on bonus cubes are the exact same lines as on normal pot.

You can get 30% atk on a legendary bonus pot if you spray millions of nx onto it probably. In a more realistic case, you can grab a good 2 %atk line with prob around 60k nx.

And does %pdr matter in Gollux? It does. Here's a picture...
http://i.imgur.com/tufhe2V.jpg
I easily cap on all lines on chaos pierre. I'd hit past 100m per line on him if the damage cap was removed.
In gollux... I hit 45m per line tops.
(all calculations are shown without the use of infinity)

around 250k range with a 100% boss should get you under 20min easily

I did it in around 20 minutes with like 80% boss and a 220k range, but it was hard xD
@cherrytigers does pdr matter much at gollux? I kill hell thrice daily but once I get a fafnir claw I might attempt to solo- my emblems 2 lines of 30 pdr which puts me at 91%, and I'm debating recubing for attack ;s I wish I could get two emblems because this will be SO nice for cVellum when I get stronger~

[quote=jrealdeal]Need about 2m-2m range unless you got crazy amounts of bossing%. And event then you have to have Awesome contorl to be able to handle fight Gollux and controling mobs.[/quote]

The most obvious thing is that this is not hell mode he's talking about, BUT if it was hell mode...

2m 2m range? Nope. You can do it with 1.5m range. Most people who have this range already have a standard of at least 250% boss so that really doesn't need to be mention.
Second, I'm assuming you had no idea this was the NL forums? Night lords do not need mob control or "Awesome contorl" because mark of the assassin kills all mobs.

This is a completely exaggerated and a very incomprehensive response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRiLBL3w3Ug

As for hard mode which the TS asked, a 300k range should do it in TS's time constraints. Getting more won't hurt.

NLs only need like 250k

Around 250k range clean for 20 minutes ish maybe lower

Need about 2m-2m range unless you got crazy amounts of bossing%. And event then you have to have Awesome contorl to be able to handle fight Gollux and controling mobs.

more than that