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Traditional will never die! I think it's just on the internet where you don't see it as often. All the traditional artists are like, in gallery shows n' stuff. XD

@pollood: Yeah, why throw traditional art into the dust? Just because even a scan makes it look bad on tha internetz? I draw in traditional because I love it and I'm proud!

@pinksinsftw: LOL blue eyes <3.
I've notice more traditional art lately so I think you're right!

@pollood: Blah, I have noticed a bit of improvement over the years.. my Blue Eyes Ultimate dragon that I drew for this kid in 7th grade had a circle for a belly. x.x

PS: Traditional art shall make a comeback!

@pinksinsftw: Really? Then you must've improved quite a lot since your traditional art is fabulous *__*.

@pollood: Yeah, not a lot of people can give reasonable prices. The thread's gotta get lucky. I got a troll response for the first comment on a price check thread I made. x.x

PS: We're getting off topic, but I sure wish I was seeing fp screens back then. My art was horrendous at the time.

@EchoAC Was it Basil Market Artists or another group?

@pinksinsftw: Yup that's true or rely on the price check forums but that takes awhile to get a real response and filter through the non-related comment =/.

@pollood: Nowadays the auctions have lost their luster. Price checks are.. terrible. If one wanted to know real current prices, he or she would have to make merchant friends.. at least I did.

@pinksinsftw: Are you serious? Lol I thought the screens were the best part and yeah I was obsess with auctions too lol.

I know what you mean. There was a group on deviantart that was talking about the front page system of basilmarket. They worked out a pretty good new system.

@pollood: Bleh, those were the times when I only relied on Basil for auctions. Never gave a thought about the forum nor screens until last year.

[quote=pinksinsftw]@BassChan: Omg, same thing happened to my bro too, he only found like one more person and that's it. No smegas, no real signs aside from that one person.

PS: I'm seeing more comics and less chibis today.[/quote]
Yup that's true about the comics today and I actually prefer comics on the front page =).
It gives you a good laugh once in a awhile. I remembered when basil screens were 70% comics way back then.

@BassChan: Omg, same thing happened to my bro too, he only found like one more person and that's it. No smegas, no real signs aside from that one person.

PS: I'm seeing more comics and less chibis today.

[quote=pinksinsftw]@BassChan: Can't right now, I'm a victim of the so called "Bera crash." :c[/quote]

That sucks... I was on when everyone disappeared, it didn't affect me be people in my party and guild were hit and couldn't get back on. It was very lonely. :X
Server check until 3 or later today should fix that though!

@BassChan: Can't right now, I'm a victim of the so called "Bera crash." :c

[quote=pinksinsftw]^^^ I'm gunna stalk you in game. Lots of great Beran basilers to meet. >=)

Bleh, I was about to unleash my pervy side on my drawings. Guess I'll save it for dA. xP
Also, my art block is sort of off, I can sort of draw at my best, because a new awesome idea just came up. It doesn't need front page to let people know how much work I will put into it, though![/quote]

Yes! Do it! My buddy list has like... two people on it as well. I'm ronery in-game.

you know this gives me an idea for a comic, just got to get permission from a friend.

OT: bleh i hate FP stuff now. down with chibi

I somewhat agree with you. I think some of the art is amazing and deserves to be seen, but most of it is rather average. I'd love for the front page to be just all actual screen shots from MapleStory. That's what interests me the most.

^^^ I'm gunna stalk you in game. Lots of great Beran basilers to meet. >=)

Bleh, I was about to unleash my pervy side on my drawings. Guess I'll save it for dA. xP
Also, my art block is sort of off, I can sort of draw at my best, because a new awesome idea just came up. It doesn't need front page to let people know how much work I will put into it, though!

[quote=KazePickle]lol... I've had too many screens rejected because they were too pervy[/quote]

Me too! XD Like my old drawing of @Divine619. <_<' I learned my lesson from that though, eheh.

I agree, but maybe Mr.B's trying to put different kinds of style and artists on the FP? Or maybe he liked it... so he FP'd it and you may like like 'em. Mind you, there's only 12 slots on the FP. And sometimes not everybody submits epic stuff so he has to pick something mediocre.
I don't get all frustrated because of this though. I don't care enough to complain and make a thread about it. Maybe you want to see *their* art on the FP because you know them or you like the art, but keep in mind that this is Mr.B's website. He can FP anything he likes.

Yeah we should make a section for FP artwork, FP screen shots, FP comics, etc etc. Seems a lot more organized and would have more slots for each category...

Also, 5 minute chibis can look epic depending on the artists =3=

[quote=LadyVuitton]Sorry to be one of the (many) mainstream anime artists on Basil. I must say however, the screens picked to be front-page tend to get worse and worse each day.[/quote]

Nah you're good. OP is complaining about 5 minute chibis lol. Besides your anime doesn't look completely mainstream to me (I usually judge by how the eyes are drawn). It's anime but you added some of yourself into it.

[quote=klydekiss]The front page never really stood out to me to begin with. I often search out artists or friends on Basil and check to see if they uploaded any thing new. I just want to show support for any artist, whether they have godly work or amateur. No ones work is perfect, everyone should get a chance to be front page whether good or bad.

I've met friends on basil (beauttiful friendds!) who feel the need to give up uploading simply because they aren't front page. I don't think front page is something to take to heart. The front page is a variety of art work.
And remember, the front page does not have the headline " The best work of the bunch!" or "If you aren't here kill yourself now!" It says "The latest screens" which is just a hand full of recent uploaded work.

When I joined basil, I had no clue about the front page system. Some people leave comments saying "It should have been front paged!" but I was still clueless. Till this day, I'm not really changing my style of drawing to fit the preference of my viewers or for 'a one day' spot on the front page and nor should any of you beautifully talent, intelligent, proud artists~

Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty mellow about the front page. I'll support any one who gets up there and equally support those who don't! I honestly can care less about what you uploaded as long as you, yourself felt creative while making it! Art is Art! Don't let the front page break us apart~

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Truly well said mister. Don't let the front page thing bring you down.. What matters is that you put passion in making your art for the Basil community to see.

lol... I've had too many screens rejected because they were too pervy

[quote=icedorchid]i have to agree with you here
I spent a lot of time drawing this picture hoping for it to go on the front page of basil
but in never did so i was kinda sad and then some other pictures that obviously spent less time than i did get on the FP
oh well just gotta keep trying...[/quote]

Same Thats what im trying to do. :L
Gud luck anyways.

I tend to change styles every once in a while, just to try new things. Also, I think having lots of chibis/kawaii on the front page doesn't really show the desired variety Mr. B's looking for.

@BassChan I love how that guy told the person to start with pencil and use a sketchbook.

I don't even care anymore lol
I'm glad that I have followers who appreciate what I do even if those numbers are small and I'm not well-known.

@BassChan: HAHA nicely put. People just shouldn't get caught up in deviantART fame, or basil's front page. XD That's when a person can find them self changing their style just to get praise from one audience.*

[quote=divine619]@BassChan: Yup I remember that. I've heard that professional artists see deviantART as a joke.[/quote]

Hmmm... there's different angles. Being "popular" on dA doesn't mean anything to a professional though. Mike "Daarken" Lim, Michael C. Hayes, Drew Baker, Dave Rapoza, Steve Argyle... they all have accounts and update them regularly. They also have less pageviews then your common "cute mediocre anime artist." Do you remember ChaseTheHedgehog? He thought he was amazing because he got "popular" on deviantART. He visited ConceptArt.org because he thought he'd be praised for being so "amazing." Jason Rainville said it best in the thread started by Chase: "No, you have many pageviews because.... well [b]have you ever seen people slow down to look at a car wreck on the highway?[/b]"

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102945

People don't get better from deviantART per se, you really just get a sea of compliments saying "cool!" and "cute!" and not much else. For a little bit of exposure and potential commissions it's a great place, but otherwise... it's a gateway drug to the internet high and terrible egos.

@Oregano: Well right now, I see a picture of art someone had sewn together, comics, a couple different art styles (I'm no artist, but they definitely have variety)...

I dunno, don't shoot the messenger xD I haven't noticed a problem with keeping variety on the front page, but if you or anyone else has a different opinion or something to say, sending a report to mrbasil is your best bet. Mods can only answer to a degree, and on top of that, we can't even do much to change it.

@BassChan: Yup I remember that. I've heard that professional artists see deviantART as a joke.

Hate to use this old excuse...

[b]Latest[/b] Screens =/= [b]Best-Looking[/b] Screens

[quote=TofuTastey]You just don't understand Mr. Basil's sense of humor. You see, [b]he only displays the most awful, laughter provoking pieces of art on the front page[/b], to cheer us up and give us a good laugh when we open up the site, of course. The good art is left for discovery.[/quote]

Ow.

[quote=divine619]Call it attention seeking but it sucks when you spend hours of hard work on something and then it only gets like 5 likes and 12 comments. Although that is the best way to find out who your real fans are. [/quote]

WHOA you're still here! I remember when I drew you ages ago. Yeah Basil is not the place to receive artistic merit. Sometimes I doubt deviantART is either. [url=http://www.conceptart.org]ConceptArt.org[/url] is a good site that will not only give you the credit you deserve for your art, but also help better yourself as an artist with feedback from professional artists in all fields.

He said a while back that he wants variety on the front page. Meaning not completely filled with detailed art. He wants different styles, screenshots, etc., all mixed. That's because this isn't primarily an art website, it's a maplestory "HQ." Unfortunately it comes down to this: If you want more respect and recognition for your art, basil's not the place for it.

I'll try to explain the reasoning further if needed, but just remember this wasn't decided by any mods. So we can give you some answers, but for the best explanation, send a report in to mrbasil

Call it attention seeking but it sucks when you spend hours of hard work on something and then it only gets like 5 likes and 12 comments. Although that is the best way to find out who your real fans are.

[quote=DruidMight]Lanique pretty much said it all. I couldn't have articulated it better.

My Thoughts: Work towards something with a novel idea. I've seen great art being kept off the front-page because someone else had already fulfilled the quota for "that sort of art". As Lanique explained: Variety in the screen section is a big thing on basil, as it rightfully should be, I think. To me, when I look at something with a totally unique idea, I enjoy it just as much as a technically brilliant piece of artwork.

If your ultimate goal in making a screenie is ONLY to get it frontpaged, always remember to work to YOUR STRENGTHS, if you're not that good an artist, don't look around at some ridiculously skilled art beast and say "I'm going to try to do that tonight hurhurhur...". They didn't get that way overnight (believe me, I've asked plenty of times and I always get the same answer).[/quote]

This is all a summary of my thoughts on the subject too. Back when I started submitting here, waaay back, I never hit the front page. It was probably different back then, perhaps not. But images on the front page are there because they're appealing. Chibi art just happens to be very appealing to the demographic of Maple Story, that's why it's often on the front page. Well-drawn images will entice people to play and participate more, often seen by players "inspired" to use a certain class more. These images will be discussed more, meaning there's more attention to the site and the ads are viewed more as well. The more appealing front page images are, the greater the traffic could possibly be. There's a kind of gamble in this of course, which is perhaps a reason in-game screen shots rarely get up to the front page.

Being unique, refined and confident with your work will always yield good results. Hard work is rewarded. You can tell the difference between someone's drawing that they're passionate about and someone who just does it for "attention"(front page, likes, faves, whatever the case may be).

Well, I didn't draw this at ALL. My friend made it a long time ago and do you think this is hard work that she pulled off?

http://i54.tinypic.com/2qsm7lv.jpg

Lanique pretty much said it all. I couldn't have articulated it better.

My Thoughts: Work towards something with a novel idea. I've seen great art being kept off the front-page because someone else had already fulfilled the quota for "that sort of art". As Lanique explained: Variety in the screen section is a big thing on basil, as it rightfully should be, I think. To me, when I look at something with a totally unique idea, I enjoy it just as much as a technically brilliant piece of artwork.

If your ultimate goal in making a screenie is ONLY to get it frontpaged, always remember to work to YOUR STRENGTHS, if you're not that good an artist, don't look around at some ridiculously skilled art beast and say "I'm going to try to do that tonight hurhurhur...". They didn't get that way overnight (believe me, I've asked plenty of times and I always get the same answer).

[quote=Bluex3]Why not two sections? Elite and Amateur? Or you could customise what you can see in the screens? Like, "Two drawings, One Showoff" etc. There are 12 slots on the first page. You could expand that then divide them into sections. Only a suggestion [/quote]

Out of those ideas I like the customising idea best. I'm not so sure about the first idea, because that would create elitism and that way friction (Kitchen section times 2). The customising idea sounds nice, though.

I second this xD

[quote=Pavchka]I do have the idea that in some cases getting a spot on the front page is more related to being skilled at Photoshop or MS paint* than at being able to draw**, but if Mrbasil started filtering more strictly wouldn't there be too much of a risk of virtually only seeing the same people, the select few, The Artists, the elite on there? Changes are the pictures were accepted because he simply thought no better pieces of art had been submitted. Maybe he just selects X pictures per day and doesn't wait until Lanique submits one of her impressive pieces again.

And yes, I do believe artwork should be separated from screenshots on the front page. There's no balance right now and interesting screens don't get as many views as they should and nice artwork is overlooked because a screenshot of some godly PSB got on the front page instead of it. (honestly I don't give a hoot about pictures of well-scrolled items and godly damage ranges @_@ They're not MY items and damage ranges)

* I initially spelled that as "MS pants". >_>
** I'm not saying this as a person who likes to think she can draw but doesn't know the screen from the dock at GIMP.[/quote]

Why not two sections? Elite and Amateur? Or you could customise what you can see in the screens? Like, "Two drawings, One Showoff" etc. There are 12 slots on the first page. You could expand that then divide them into sections. Only a suggestion

I think if a screen mrbasil thinks is deserving comes around then he'll fp it. But if the screen is just mega fantastic, then maybe he wants to keep it up on the fp as long as he can so it can get more likes/views. And maybe he does this by front paging less screens which lowers the chances of getting fp when you submit the next day? I noticed he fp an average of 3-5 screens daily, so if he fp more than that lately then it seems to be the best time to submit. Well that's how I submit my screens, but then again I make comics and comics pretty much have a high fp rate already. Maybe I should do a experiment on this...

But for artwork I think it depends on the effort and if it is amazing quality it is almost guaranteed a fp.

wowww. it's really pointless to make threads like this....

seems to me like you are just complaining because you haven't gotten fp or something.. oh come on.
and those three basilers do get fp most of the time, so why are you mentioning them for? lol.
however, i do agree with you about the stupid items crap.
in all honesty, getting fp is not a big deal, unless you just want a bunch of likes.
okay, i guess you can get more exposure and attention, but what good will that do? not much, really.

but hey you got a mod to post itt hahah

^^^ Yeah, sure wish I drew for Basil earlier. > Why are there more people and less likes?

lol in the old days, an easy sketch got you front page and at least 200 views cause there weren't so many artists back then. just look at me

I don't mind having whole shelves with the same awards, hrrmmpph.

And look, 5 more new chibis on the front page.

I do have the idea that in some cases getting a spot on the front page is more related to being skilled at Photoshop or MS paint* than at being able to draw**, but if Mrbasil started filtering more strictly wouldn't there be too much of a risk of virtually only seeing the same people, the select few, The Artists, the elite on there? Changes are the pictures were accepted because he simply thought no better pieces of art had been submitted. Maybe he just selects X pictures per day and doesn't wait until Lanique submits one of her impressive pieces again.

And yes, I do believe artwork should be separated from screenshots on the front page. There's no balance right now and interesting screens don't get as many views as they should and nice artwork is overlooked because a screenshot of some godly PSB got on the front page instead of it. (honestly I don't give a hoot about pictures of well-scrolled items and godly damage ranges @_@ They're not MY items and damage ranges)

* I initially spelled that as "MS pants". >_>
** I'm not saying this as a person who likes to think she can draw but doesn't know the screen from the dock at GIMP.

^during the school year it was always easier to submit during the middle of the week and stuff, but i don't know what it's like in the summer.

the FP system has been going like haywire or something lately

I think someone did an experiment with the fp - it depends on when you submit it. Or something like that.

oops, sorry @GL:

guys, get back on topic. (@jovial: you never post anything lol)