Personally, as a mod, I'm mixed with...wait a second, I'm not a mod, never mind. Joking, anyways, I'm partially Atheist, and partially something else. I'm not sure what I actually believe in, but I will find out sooner or later.
I'd like to define mine as.. Spiritual. I do believe in spirits and whatnot, but no leader amongst them (like one God alone, more than one is more believable), so perhaps polytheistic? So somewhere between Pagan and agnostic.. ish. I am Pagan-blooded so I can't really help but have very spiritual surroundings in my family. I am also baptized Anglican but I don't follow that nor Christianity/Catholicism.
Edit: I apologize if I confuse you, I often don't word things properly. I guess to sum it up well, I believe in the spiritual world but not one sole God. That's about it. o_o
[quote=Pavchka]Agnosticism is nothing like a "lazy man's atheism". I don't know if it goes for other agnosticists as well, but I am never done thinking about religion. The issue still gives me sleepless nights. It's not "Okay, there's science. It could be correct. There's *insert religion*. Hm, it doesn't mix with science. In that case I don't know." The whole thought process took me years and I'm still not done. :X
It doesn't matter where I go- whether it's in MapleStory, Basil Market, another forum or real life- people always tell me I'm either too afraid to "make a choice", too dumb to pick or to lazy to think it over. I am not afraid, I like to think I'm reasonably intelligent and I'm all but lazy. :S People need to look at stuff from the other guy's point of view before they place a verdict on his or her opinions or beliefs.[/quote] ah thank you & @Telatsu for your point of view :] See, I've only said that Agnosticism is a lazy man's atheism, is not to bash them, but because most people i've talked to just chat and brings up 'religion' say they're agnostic & i always ask them why but in a sense to clearly define and to give me the whole enchilada. all they've ever given me was in a snarky attitude "I believe there's a [i]super natural[/i] being out there" and it's almost like once they said supernatural they assume i can understand their point of view...no. not really. You're the first person to have actually shown me a person's thought process and point of view for being agnostic you know? for some other people i've talked to, they've never analyzed why they were so deep into their faith they basically tell me "my parents made/told me" and as much as that answer says for itsself i wanted a critical and personal opinion on their views on their own religion
such as this one guy i chatter up while waiting for coffee who was saying that "Yeah, I'm Catholic..but it's because i firmly believe that when we eat the bread & drink the wine it's truly the blood and body of Christ...etc" and so something like that i can understand and agree with or think about, but it just pisses me off that every person who says "i'm agnostic" and tried to have some sort of intellectual and respectful talk with their religion, they would just say the same one liner that everyone else knows but i always wanted more. But now i can't say that Agnosticism is a lazy man's atheism because i can understand what sorts of tribulations and conflicts one might go through mentally and physically..and once again, thanks mod & basiler! lol
@Pavchka: Well, yeah. I probably should of made that clear, I was using more of the most non-diluted form of Agnosticism. I hesitate to say at it's "purest." But I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at.
[quote=Telatsu]Agnostics generally have a die-hard belief that not only do we not know, but that we [i]can't[/i] know. Often seen to play Devil's Advocate in religious arguments. Don't mistake it though, it's not simply being "On the fence." As much as a Theist or Atheist has a solid belief in the existence or non-existence of a God, an Agnostic is much the same. Usually those who are agnostic have done extensive research on multiple religious and non-religious or spiritual understandings of major belief systems and often reject both sides on the basis that there is not enough information and in some cases will not ever be enough.
Also.
Unsure =/= Agnostic.[/quote]
That sounds more specifically like Ignosticism/Strong Agnosticism. I'm somewhere between Weak and Strong.
Agnostics generally have a die-hard belief that not only do we not know, but that we [i]can't[/i] know. Often seen to play Devil's Advocate in religious arguments. Don't mistake it though, it's not simply being "On the fence." As much as a Theist or Atheist has a solid belief in the existence or non-existence of a God, an Agnostic is much the same. Usually those who are agnostic have done extensive research on multiple religious and non-religious or spiritual understandings of major belief systems and often reject both sides on the basis that there is not enough information and in some cases will not ever be enough.
[quote=Liam]I'm actually quite intrigued by the Bahá'í Faith (copies and pasted the word due to my lack of knowledge for the alt codes XD) it's like completely sensible, doesn't really offend within any cross-hairs but in fact more often than not takes the best parts out of these other religions and applies it to the faith, makes logical points and beliefs and just all around good
OT: but okay 90% of mods are more or less agnostic. noted. i've grown less religious..but in my personal opinion and experience, I've always felt that agnosticism was like a lazy man's atheism..[/quote]
Agnosticism is nothing like a "lazy man's atheism". I don't know if it goes for other agnosticists as well, but I am never done thinking about religion. The issue still gives me sleepless nights. It's not "Okay, there's science. It could be correct. There's *insert religion*. Hm, it doesn't mix with science. In that case I don't know." The whole thought process took me years and I'm still not done. :X
It doesn't matter where I go- whether it's in MapleStory, Basil Market, another forum or real life- people always tell me I'm either too afraid to "make a choice", too dumb to pick or to lazy to think it over. I am not afraid, I like to think I'm reasonably intelligent and I'm all but lazy. :S People need to look at stuff from the other guy's point of view before they place a verdict on his or her opinions or beliefs.
I'm really against preaching or pushing beliefs, especially somewhere like Basilmarket (which is one reason why I never enter religious debate threads, that and the fact that I don't inherently disagree with either side's core ideals) but if you're interested you should investigate a bit.
Also, the second the isn't really necessary there Liam. the The xD
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
/end preaching[/quote] I'm actually quite intrigued by the Bahá'í Faith (copies and pasted the word due to my lack of knowledge for the alt codes XD) it's like completely sensible, doesn't really offend within any cross-hairs but in fact more often than not takes the best parts out of these other religions and applies it to the faith, makes logical points and beliefs and just all around good
OT: but okay 90% of mods are more or less agnostic. noted. i've grown less religious..but in my personal opinion and experience, I've always felt that agnosticism was like a lazy man's atheism..
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
[quote=Amaryllis]idk why but I remember kevvl as a Calvinist or something[/quote] Nope. I'm a Baha'i.
and because nearly no-one knows what that is...
[quote=Wikipedia]Three core principles establish a basis for Bahá'í teachings and doctrine: the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humankind.[3] From these postulates stems the belief that God periodically reveals his will through divine messengers, whose purpose is to transform the character of humankind and develop, within those who respond, moral and spiritual qualities. Religion is thus seen as orderly, unified, and progressive from age to age.[/quote]
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
[quote=IBakeBabies]Yeah I'd like to know too. I know there's at least one mod out there that gets touchy when he loses a debate about religion. Specifically a debate against Islam in which he's taking a position against it.[/quote]
So there's a mod who argues against the Islamic religion (as in whether it's the correct religion I assume..) and loses, inciting suspensions for the "victor(s)"?
[quote=yumtoast154]I badmouthed redneck Christians and was suspended for 5 days.
So I'd say at least 1 mod is Christian.[/quote]
Pretty sure you'd be suspended for badmouthing anyone in general. [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/rules]Rule #1[/url].
[quote=yumtoast154]I badmouthed redneck Christians and was suspended for 5 days.
So I'd say at least 1 mod is Christian.[/quote]
The religion of the moderators has nothing to do with suspension levels.
[quote=MmmmmHmm]what does agnostic mean?
i honestly find religion threads interesting cus you learn a lot about other religions...until they get out of hand of course[/quote]
When you're agnostic you don't know if there's a deity or not. It's a complicated thing, but not the same as atheism, although there is a thing such as atheist agnosticism. @_@ The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism]Wiki[/url] is a little black-and-white about it. It doesn't 100% correspond to what I feel... Darn, my grandmother is crying her eyes out for some reason. I'm off.
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Personally, as a mod, I'm mixed with...wait a second, I'm not a mod, never mind. Joking, anyways, I'm partially Atheist, and partially something else. I'm not sure what I actually believe in, but I will find out sooner or later.
@azimuth457: That would be a 3 day suspension.
I'd like to define mine as.. Spiritual. I do believe in spirits and whatnot, but no leader amongst them (like one God alone, more than one is more believable), so perhaps polytheistic? So somewhere between Pagan and agnostic.. ish. I am Pagan-blooded so I can't really help but have very spiritual surroundings in my family. I am also baptized Anglican but I don't follow that nor Christianity/Catholicism.
Edit: I apologize if I confuse you, I often don't word things properly. I guess to sum it up well, I believe in the spiritual world but not one sole God. That's about it. o_o
[quote=Pavchka]Agnosticism is nothing like a "lazy man's atheism". I don't know if it goes for other agnosticists as well, but I am never done thinking about religion. The issue still gives me sleepless nights. It's not "Okay, there's science. It could be correct. There's *insert religion*. Hm, it doesn't mix with science. In that case I don't know." The whole thought process took me years and I'm still not done. :X
It doesn't matter where I go- whether it's in MapleStory, Basil Market, another forum or real life- people always tell me I'm either too afraid to "make a choice", too dumb to pick or to lazy to think it over. I am not afraid, I like to think I'm reasonably intelligent and I'm all but lazy. :S People need to look at stuff from the other guy's point of view before they place a verdict on his or her opinions or beliefs.[/quote]
ah thank you & @Telatsu for your point of view :] See, I've only said that Agnosticism is a lazy man's atheism, is not to bash them, but because most people i've talked to just chat and brings up 'religion' say they're agnostic & i always ask them why but in a sense to clearly define and to give me the whole enchilada. all they've ever given me was in a snarky attitude "I believe there's a [i]super natural[/i] being out there" and it's almost like once they said supernatural they assume i can understand their point of view...no. not really. You're the first person to have actually shown me a person's thought process and point of view for being agnostic you know? for some other people i've talked to, they've never analyzed why they were so deep into their faith they basically tell me "my parents made/told me" and as much as that answer says for itsself i wanted a critical and personal opinion on their views on their own religion
such as this one guy i chatter up while waiting for coffee who was saying that "Yeah, I'm Catholic..but it's because i firmly believe that when we eat the bread & drink the wine it's truly the blood and body of Christ...etc" and so something like that i can understand and agree with or think about, but it just pisses me off that every person who says "i'm agnostic" and tried to have some sort of intellectual and respectful talk with their religion, they would just say the same one liner that everyone else knows but i always wanted more. But now i can't say that Agnosticism is a lazy man's atheism because i can understand what sorts of tribulations and conflicts one might go through mentally and physically..and once again, thanks mod & basiler! lol
@Pavchka: Well, yeah. I probably should of made that clear, I was using more of the most non-diluted form of Agnosticism. I hesitate to say at it's "purest." But I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at.
[quote=Cruze]Bas[i]illuminati.[/i]
o_O[/quote]
Nice one. XD
[quote=Telatsu]Agnostics generally have a die-hard belief that not only do we not know, but that we [i]can't[/i] know.
Often seen to play Devil's Advocate in religious arguments. Don't mistake it though, it's not simply being "On the fence."
As much as a Theist or Atheist has a solid belief in the existence or non-existence of a God, an Agnostic is much the same.
Usually those who are agnostic have done extensive research on multiple religious and non-religious or spiritual understandings of major belief systems
and often reject both sides on the basis that there is not enough information and in some cases will not ever be enough.
Also.
Unsure =/= Agnostic.[/quote]
That sounds more specifically like Ignosticism/Strong Agnosticism. I'm somewhere between Weak and Strong.
Agnostics generally have a die-hard belief that not only do we not know, but that we [i]can't[/i] know.
Often seen to play Devil's Advocate in religious arguments. Don't mistake it though, it's not simply being "On the fence."
As much as a Theist or Atheist has a solid belief in the existence or non-existence of a God, an Agnostic is much the same.
Usually those who are agnostic have done extensive research on multiple religious and non-religious or spiritual understandings of major belief systems
and often reject both sides on the basis that there is not enough information and in some cases will not ever be enough.
Also.
Unsure =/= Agnostic.
[quote=Liam]I'm actually quite intrigued by the Bahá'í Faith (copies and pasted the word due to my lack of knowledge for the alt codes XD) it's like completely sensible, doesn't really offend within any cross-hairs but in fact more often than not takes the best parts out of these other religions and applies it to the faith, makes logical points and beliefs and just all around good
OT: but okay 90% of mods are more or less agnostic. noted. i've grown less religious..but in my personal opinion and experience, I've always felt that agnosticism was like a lazy man's atheism..[/quote]
Agnosticism is nothing like a "lazy man's atheism". I don't know if it goes for other agnosticists as well, but I am never done thinking about religion. The issue still gives me sleepless nights. It's not "Okay, there's science. It could be correct. There's *insert religion*. Hm, it doesn't mix with science. In that case I don't know." The whole thought process took me years and I'm still not done. :X
It doesn't matter where I go- whether it's in MapleStory, Basil Market, another forum or real life- people always tell me I'm either too afraid to "make a choice", too dumb to pick or to lazy to think it over. I am not afraid, I like to think I'm reasonably intelligent and I'm all but lazy. :S People need to look at stuff from the other guy's point of view before they place a verdict on his or her opinions or beliefs.
fixed.
I'm really against preaching or pushing beliefs, especially somewhere like Basilmarket (which is one reason why I never enter religious debate threads, that and the fact that I don't inherently disagree with either side's core ideals) but if you're interested you should investigate a bit.
Also, the second the isn't really necessary there Liam. the The xD
[quote=Kevvl]Nope. I'm a Baha'i.
and because nearly no-one knows what that is...
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
/end preaching[/quote]
I'm actually quite intrigued by the Bahá'í Faith (copies and pasted the word due to my lack of knowledge for the alt codes XD) it's like completely sensible, doesn't really offend within any cross-hairs but in fact more often than not takes the best parts out of these other religions and applies it to the faith, makes logical points and beliefs and just all around good
OT: but okay 90% of mods are more or less agnostic. noted. i've grown less religious..but in my personal opinion and experience, I've always felt that agnosticism was like a lazy man's atheism..
[quote=Kevvl]Nope. I'm a Baha'i.
and because nearly no-one knows what that is...
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
/end preaching[/quote]
J>Baha'i
[quote=Amaryllis]idk why but I remember kevvl as a Calvinist or something[/quote]
Nope. I'm a Baha'i.
and because nearly no-one knows what that is...
[quote=Wikipedia]Three core principles establish a basis for Bahá'í teachings and doctrine: the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humankind.[3] From these postulates stems the belief that God periodically reveals his will through divine messengers, whose purpose is to transform the character of humankind and develop, within those who respond, moral and spiritual qualities. Religion is thus seen as orderly, unified, and progressive from age to age.[/quote]
The reason I like it? Nothing in the system of beliefs counteracts any accepted scientific theory while at the same time it pretty much ties in (and accepts) all other religions. It does all this while staying completely sound and logical. Oh yeah, and there's the cool part about accepting everyone, nomatter their race, age, sex, belief, intelligence, etc.
/end preaching
[quote=IBakeBabies]Yeah I'd like to know too. I know there's at least one mod out there that gets touchy when he loses a debate about religion. Specifically a debate against Islam in which he's taking a position against it.[/quote]
So there's a mod who argues against the Islamic religion (as in whether it's the correct religion I assume..) and loses, inciting suspensions for the "victor(s)"?
[quote=yumtoast154]I badmouthed redneck Christians and was suspended for 5 days.
So I'd say at least 1 mod is Christian.[/quote]
Pretty sure you'd be suspended for badmouthing anyone in general. [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/rules]Rule #1[/url].
[quote=Cyrus0]Bobo is the Satanist.
Right?[/quote]
That would be Angra
[quote=Cyrus0]Bobo is the Satanist.
Right?[/quote]
Nope. He's Catholic.
I have paganistic ideals mixed with agnosticism. I don't define it
You learn something new everyday.
interesting....i guess i learned something new today
[quote=yumtoast154]I badmouthed redneck Christians and was suspended for 5 days.
So I'd say at least 1 mod is Christian.[/quote]
The religion of the moderators has nothing to do with suspension levels.
[quote=MmmmmHmm]what does agnostic mean?
i honestly find religion threads interesting cus you learn a lot about other religions...until they get out of hand of course[/quote]
When you're agnostic you don't know if there's a deity or not. It's a complicated thing, but not the same as atheism, although there is a thing such as atheist agnosticism. @_@ The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism]Wiki[/url] is a little black-and-white about it. It doesn't 100% correspond to what I feel...
Darn, my grandmother is crying her eyes out for some reason. I'm off.
[quote=MmmmmHmm]what does agnostic mean?
i honestly find religion threads interesting cus you learn a lot about other religions...until they get out of hand of course[/quote]
Agnostic is on the fence. You dont know if there is something out there.
[quote=Pavchka]As far as I know they are. Personally I don't like them, but they're not forbidden unless a new policy was made about 5 minutes ago. XD
I'm agnostic.[/quote]
what does agnostic mean?
i honestly find religion threads interesting cus you learn a lot about other religions...until they get out of hand of course
I badmouthed redneck Christians and was suspended for 5 days.
So I'd say at least 1 mod is Christian.
[quote=CherryCocaine]religion threads arent allowed
just putting that out there[/quote]
As far as I know they are. Personally I don't like them, but they're not forbidden unless a new policy was made about 5 minutes ago. XD
I'm agnostic.
[quote=CherryCocaine]religion threads arent allowed
just putting that out there[/quote]
I don't see it in the rules although I'd like to.
Most threads pertaining to religion start abusive and unneeded arguments.