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@cursemark: low hp? I can make a level 10 thief and he'd have 3-4k hp with basic items through cards, rings, etc.
hp is no longer an excuse when mobs either hit 1's or insta kill/set amounts.

not gonna lie, I lol'd checking basil and having 6 mentions, and this thread blowing up over the fact people disagree that DBs are OP AF.
[they probably all mained kaiser and xenon and are now maining WA]

[quote=CherryTigers]Why is everyone bashing DBs? They're a balanced job in my opinion... They're above average, but in no way overpowered.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure they are overpowered. They can finish dojo with a 100 k range and 100 boss. I need a 400 k range with 200 boss damage to barely beat dojo.

[quote=Deadly1337]@gerafang: hahahah yes.

why should you do more hits/sec, hit more % damage/sec
have better mobility
have insanely high[near perfect] avoid
aswell as a secondary weapon with massive weapon attack.

DB nerf pls.[/quote]

Oh my god you are further illustrating my point that the community of this site is trash. (The fact that you got eight likes doesn't help either.)

The fact is, if they're glitched then they're not intended to be that way.
It doesn't matter if you have some strange, obsessive grudge against it, it's a glitch and needs to be fixed.

[quote=cursemark]The problem here is that shadowers, dual blades, and nightlords have extremely low hp and they need the dodge/evade skills to stay alive. To get rid of our dodge skills would be equal to taking away mages magic guard.[/quote]

Except my buddy's DB has half of my hero's hp, but never gets hit while I have to spam pots to survive. He has 300x the survivability I swear. They should balance that.

[quote=cursemark]The problem here is that shadowers, dual blades, and nightlords have extremely low hp and they need the dodge/evade skills to stay alive. To get rid of our dodge skills would be equal to taking away mages magic guard.[/quote]

The problem is X isn't working the way it's supposed to work nor does it work the way it says it says it should work, which is a glitch and has to be fixed.
Who cares if DBs are OP or whatever, this is a glitch and should be promptly fixed, but probably won't be for at least a month or two.

@TripleBladez: oh

[quote=Deadly1337]poor classes and their broken dodge/evade skills, whatever will they do now!, idk.. maybe play like the rest of us?

personally. DBs should lose over half their dodge, same with shads [/quote]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwobj6zSNv1r7k51co1_500.jpg

[quote=AkGold]I thought it was the same thing. Guard and dodge. I like dodge more then guard. o-o[/quote]

They're totally separate. Miss was changed to 'Guard' in the Kanna patch, and hasn't been changed back since. Miss/Guard derives from Evasion Rate (basically your normal Avoid). Classes with pure Evasion Rate skills include DB and WH's. These skills are a multiplier of your Evasion Rate. Evasion Rate can be affected by your Avoid in the stat window, your level, the enemy's level, and the enemy's Accuracy. It can change depending on the monster, kind of like calculating how much PDR you have that changes depending on the monster.

Dodge Rate skills activate at a flat chance, and isn't affected by level difference, or your Avoid, or the enemy's Accuracy. You could go to a monster 50+ levels above you or even greater, and the skill will still work. If you try doing that on a class without one, you'll rarely ever see Miss/Guard proc. Both (Evasion Rate and Dodge Rate) can still be ignored by % HP attacks, though.

@Akaizer: Nah you got it wrong

@AkGold
"Gaurd was previously a "Miss" and dodge is a skill activated thing

71. Snow White Panther. There, i tried.

wahh wahhh cry me a river

[quote=CherryTigers]Why is everyone bashing DBs? They're a balanced job in my opinion... They're above average, but in no way overpowered.[/quote]

If you look at their %s, sure they aren't overpowered. But a katara offers up to 200 extra attack, and they already get a decent amount of attack from skills. They also hit the avoid cap and as he mentioned do have awesome mobility. They beat almost every class in almost everything. They are OP.

@Akaizer:
I thought it was the same thing. Guard and dodge. I like dodge more then guard. o-o
Hey aren't you the smartass from my riddle thread? Answer #71

@Cherrytigers I want that look now

[quote=AkGold]My dodge stayed the same o_o
It goes like

Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge[/quote]

Db isnt affected, you use the "gaurd" which is actually "miss" and do not have "dodge".

[quote=Deadly1337]@gerafang: hahahah yes.

why should you do more hits/sec, hit more % damage/sec
have better mobility
have insanely high[near perfect] avoid
aswell as a secondary weapon with massive weapon attack.

DB nerf pls.[/quote]

Nothing is stopping you from making a Dual Blade and reaping the benefits as well. You chose to play a Bishop, *mainly* a support class. Any attack class would dish out more damage at a faster pace--it is set in place for all MMOs.

[quote=Deadly1337]well, thats acceptable I guess... your hyper still needs a serious nerf though [/quote]

We got some really nice hypers, but in terms of being nerfed, I think they're in line with most other hypers. They don't reach OP but they're far from not useful.

Why is everyone bashing DBs? They're a balanced job in my opinion... They're above average, but in no way overpowered.

My dodge stayed the same o_o
It goes like

Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Hit
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge
Dodge

[quote=Deadly1337]@abilas26: well, thats acceptable I guess... your hyper still needs a serious nerf though [/quote]

Shad hypers aren't ridiculous... Even Flip the Coin is pretty tame compared to some of the others.

@abilas26: well, thats acceptable I guess... your hyper still needs a serious nerf though

[quote=kiue]Ehh... I dont think i have any problems...[/quote]

Shadow Shifter isn't activating, and trust me, it activates frequently when I'm doing Attendance or bossing daily.

Thank goodness! i was wondering why When i was fighting krexel i kept getting skill-locked and losing Hp...

[quote=Deadly1337]poor classes and their broken dodge/evade skills, whatever will they do now!, idk.. maybe play like the rest of us?

personally. DBs should lose over half their dodge, same with shads [/quote]

We only have 45% dodge! (Shads)
Which is equal to/less than all other thieves :C

@gerafang: hahahah yes.

why should you do more hits/sec, hit more % damage/sec
have better mobility
have insanely high[near perfect] avoid
aswell as a secondary weapon with massive weapon attack.

DB nerf pls.

poor classes and their broken dodge/evade skills, whatever will they do now!, idk.. maybe play like the rest of us?

personally. DBs should lose over half their dodge, same with shads

Ehh... I dont think i have any problems...

even mercs are affected? oh no wonder i lose health too fast... </3