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I should not have opened this thread. Sad when u put urself in her shoes

Totally legit. it's buisness man. that's how our world works

Yeah.. There are some jerks in this game.

[quote=Drextal]"But it's not scamming. It's merching!"

"The buyer is at fault for not doing a price check when a person tracks them down to lowball their stuff!"

[insert 3rd phrase since I can't think of one][/quote]

"But I think I'm better than everyone and enjoy taking people's hard earned money even though they're new to the game and don't know much about the economy!11!"

Too long?

people are trash

[quote=wingedgemini]Honestly some of these responses are disgusting. I could understand if the girl went up to the mercher and offered to sell it for 1m, but purposely targeting a player and lying about the price for your own self gain is just as morally acceptable as selling a fake concert ticket to someone. A scam is a scam, no matter which way you look at it , and the girl in this scenario is NOT at fault.

I swear the maple community is becoming more and more cancerous by the day...[/quote]

"But it's not scamming. It's merching!"

"The buyer is at fault for not doing a price check when a person tracks them down to lowball their stuff!"

[insert 3rd phrase since I can't think of one]

Honestly some of these responses are disgusting. I could understand if the girl went up to the mercher and offered to sell it for 1m, but purposely targeting a player and lying about the price for your own self gain is just as morally acceptable as selling a fake concert ticket to someone. A scam is a scam, no matter which way you look at it , and the girl in this scenario is NOT at fault.

I swear the maple community is becoming more and more cancerous by the day...

@VivaBasura: I'm not saying it's a good view, I'm saying that's the prevailing mindset. Jesus christ, how old are you?

Faith in humanity, lost.

some of the responses here makes me want to throw

[quote=Belzier]My adventure in Windia for today was running into a girl (or G.I.R.L.) that did a gach run. She didn't type English very well, and is new to the game. She picked up a Boss Nebulite, something that I was really interested in getting for my primary + secondary, but she had sold it just before I got to her. How much did she sell it to this other person for?

She sold it for 3m mesos. A 25% boss nebulite for 3m mesos. The guy buying it from her had told her it was worth 1m, but he'd buy it for 3. I have his IGN, but I will withhold it in order for this post to stay up.

I told her that she was lied to and taken advantage of, and told the other guy that he should give it back if he had a heart. The guy gave the typical troll answer saying that he didn't have one, and said a bunch of other unkind junk. Turns out that she sold a Superior Lidium heart earlier for 300m, and an all stat 4% neb for 100m as well.

I can understand merchers and deal-searchers trying to find items for 75% of the FM price, heck, even 50% of the market value... but lying to a person and luring them into selling an item for less than 1% of what it's actually worth is horribly disgusting. Keep in mind that this girl spent actual $$ for those gach tickets.

Why in the world are scum like this allowed to exist in our communities still? Why aren't there ways for us to publicly shame them, or even banish them? I find it disgusting when people cheat others out of a fortune, only for self gain.[/quote]

You are just mad that you didn't get the deal. Get real...and she was satisfied so better luck next time buddy

[quote=Maxilonius]It's because the prevailing view is that the world isn't as ideal a place as you might want to believe, and the sooner you learn that, the better. The smarter/more cynical people are just better at taking advantage of how idealistic people tend to be; punishing everyone that tries to take advantage of other people is a Sisyphean task, whereas having people learn what it means to be skeptical is far easier, and by extension, more logical.[/quote]
lmao so taking advantage of others because youre smart enough to do it is acceptable because the society suks so much already, gl with that mindset i bet lots ppl love u
and dont speak in neckbeard to me its gross

Did he held a gun to her head?

[quote=VivaBasura]i cant believe people are blaming the girl for being scammed more than the scammer, what is wrong with basilers
how come is it a better solution to develop trust issues on people than punishing antiethical people
basil is filled of ways of thinking that makes me want to throw
and srsly people expecting this poor girl to know how to find market prices, new players dont even know what a owl is lmao let alone knowing about uknowhat site that fansites cant even mention
ty greedy bastards for making the world such a good place [/quote]

It's because the prevailing view is that the world isn't as ideal a place as you might want to believe, and the sooner you learn that, the better. The smarter/more cynical people are just better at taking advantage of how idealistic people tend to be; punishing everyone that tries to take advantage of other people is a Sisyphean task, whereas having people learn what it means to be skeptical is far easier, and by extension, more logical.

I don't see the problem, they both pressed the trade button and therefore agreed the deal. How is the buyer obligated in any way to give her a legitimate price check for the item?

I've had folks offer 1mil for all% nebs with the logic that it's 1 meso in the shop. If I had no idea on the game I'd say that sounds like a good deal. Instead I said I'd give it to a friend and they immediately proceeded to be my "friend". Needless to say I just ignored them.

There are some good people out there, 50mil-100mil offers on chairs and a 500mil offer on an elite boss protection scroll. The problem is that you have to sort through thousands of pms and invites of 1-5mil offers.

I feel really bad for that player and I hope somewhere down the line she gets what she deserves. As for the people that profited off of her, I hope they get what they deserve.

i cant believe people are blaming the girl for being scammed more than the scammer, what is wrong with basilers
how come is it a better solution to develop trust issues on people than punishing antiethical people
basil is filled of ways of thinking that makes me want to throw
and srsly people expecting this poor girl to know how to find market prices, new players dont even know what a owl is lmao let alone knowing about uknowhat site that fansites cant even mention
ty greedy bastards for making the world such a good place

Ommgg what is with all the people who are like "it sucks but it's real life it happens get over it and learn"
Just because the world is full of manipulative scumbags doesn't mean we should hold ourselves to that standard. Maple already has a dying community and you barely ever see people who are completely new to the game anymore. It's assholes like that merchant who are perpetuating this.
Taking advantage of others won't help anyone in the long run, just yourself in the short run.

[quote=Belzier]Idea #2, have a search NPC in the FM beside Scrooge, instead of having to use outdated Owls to search. These kinds of ideas are things that should be given to the MLC to discuss and perhaps push forward if they make sense to implement. I sure as heck don't instantly know all the repercussions of ideas that I have.[/quote]

this idea is possibly better, because it allows the player to check on the price of items he/she obtained by other means. the NPC could say something along the lines of
"not sure how much your item is worth? talk to me and find out". merchers would hate such an implementation for obvious reasons.
speaking of owl, they are actually pretty expensive for new players. they should really be free.

ACK! I absolutely hate HATE these type of people.

When I returned to the game after years off I did a Gach run thinking it was like the old days to boost my funds and I only got one decent thing, forgot what it is now, but I knew it was a few bil even in today's market but this guy PM, welcomed me to the game (said he was a veteran player even though he never showed up on any of my old screenies/vids (i looked) and his basil account is only from 2014 but whatever I never trust a gamer who's first line of introduction is I'm a veteran/vanilla player because 9/10 they're not) then told me he was interested in this item and since I'm new he will take me under his arm and he'll be super generous a kickstart my game but giving me double the price and he'll give me 5mil for it... 5mil.... if I could reach into the screen to bite him I would have. Instant blacklist.

It's a choice, you can either be a decent individual with values and a sense of what's right or wrong or you can be a giant immoral d-bag and ruin someone's game/day. >.<

Sure I like to make a profit like the next person but if I see a large ticket item being sold off for nothing I'll try to track the player down and share in some funds or if they don't want that I ask them to be buddies and so if I ever sell something they want/need I can cut a deal with them.

[quote=WowChowMein] sellers choice of wanting to sell it or not and they decided to sell it for that price.[/quote]

... after listening naively and being lied to, right?

@belzier I was typing out a long response but it's 5am so I'm just gonna cut if off here and admit we are different people with different values when it comes to people we know. I do agree that it really sucks to have this happen to someone but it's extremely hard to combat things like this with MS's current market system. Ultimately it comes down to the sellers choice of wanting to sell it or not and they decided to sell it for that price.

@AssMuppet: yes i agree that it was wrong and i myself would not bring myself to do something so mean and devious, But you can't force honesty and being nice too people, We are just generally made to take advantage of other people its just some people do it better then others, i am very sad that chick got pretty much robbed, but you know in a way it is her fault why would u even trust someone from MS in the first place?

[quote=Evenings]um... sorry to say but this is pretty much most people in the world, everyone does thinks that will benefit them can't really do anything about it, its just human nature [/quote]
You can definitely make a personal choice to not take advantage of people.

um... sorry to say but this is pretty much most people in the world, everyone does things that will benefit them can't really do anything about it, its just human nature

[quote=Belzier]Your idea here is something that could very well be brought to the Maple Leaf Council... to the new councillor for "player life" I think, on the Official Maplestory forums. Hopefully the council has some influences on future features to make the game better.[/quote]
Just gonna copy paste this from another thread with my own comment
"Don't know why anyone bothers with this. This is a joke from Nexon to make the players FEEL like they're apart of something and they can change the game.
Probably every response to your feedback will be this
"We at Nexon, Thank you for your feedback and contribution, we will think this over with our team and hopefully a change will be implemented. - Nexon"
It's all a bunch of streamers and other 2mil 2mil players that think they know the in's and out's of a class because they can solo nearly every boss.
I can understand the banning thing on Nexon's half though. Breaking the TOS is like having a criminal record in real life and that it forever brands you as someone who did something wrong. I do agree on the part of who they chose to represent. Misusing is a joke of representative. Only reason he hasn't been banned is because his like 1/4 of their whole sales."
Maple Leaf Council is a joke. So many representatives are jokes. People thinking they can change things is a joke.
If the Maple Leaf Council actually makes a LARGE contribution to this game not just "We change damage multipliers". Like actual gameplay change or a class revamp in which Nexon writes that it was made possible due to MLC. I'll praise it for the rest of the game's lifespan and defend its every decision.

[quote=bloodIsShed]yea, that would partially solve the issue. at the very least, it will not tell merchers that there's a potentially new player ready to be scammed.
it does little though, if the player later comes to the fm or other place and ask for a p/c (because the player has no idea how much it's worth and wants to sell it)[/quote]

Idea #2, have a search NPC in the FM beside Scrooge, instead of having to use outdated Owls to search. These kinds of ideas are things that should be given to the MLC to discuss and perhaps push forward if they make sense to implement. I sure as heck don't instantly know all the repercussions of ideas that I have.

[quote=Belzier]Your idea here is something that could very well be brought to the Maple Leaf Council... to the new councillor for "player life" I think, on the Official Maplestory forums. Hopefully the council has some influences on future features to make the game better.

One of the easier solutions was said earlier by @Duzz
Just remove the gach prize messages completely, and let people spend more NX to advertise their items if they want to use a Megaphone.[/quote]

yea, that would partially solve the issue. at the very least, it will not tell merchers that there's a potentially new player ready to be scammed.
it does little though, if the player later comes to the fm or other place and ask for a p/c (because the player has no idea how much it's worth and wants to sell it)

[quote=Bioniclema93]There is no hell. We already live there.

My advice: always expect the worst out of everyone. That way, you'll never be surprised or disappointed.[/quote]

I'm surprised when they exceed my expectations!

lol trueee i was on a noob character last night in fm @ broa pretending to sell a ferris wheel chair and 5 people teamed up and tried to tell me it was worth 100mil so i put it in storage and typed "yay thanks for the 150mil" and the 5 got so butthurt LOLOLOL

[quote=bloodIsShed]well they already have the code for showing the price list, and assuming they did a neat job at it, they could probably reuse the code with little modification to account for the prices of
nebullite and such. there's the problem of designing the new UI, but they're pros. it shouldn't take too long.[/quote]

Your idea here is something that could very well be brought to the Maple Leaf Council... to the new councillor for "player life" I think, on the Official Maplestory forums. Hopefully the council has some influences on future features to make the game better.

One of the easier solutions was said earlier by @Duzz
Just remove the gach prize messages completely, and let people spend more NX to advertise their items if they want to use a Megaphone.

There is no hell. We already live there.

My advice: always expect the worst out of everyone. That way, you'll never be surprised or disappointed.

well they already have the code for showing the price list, and assuming they did a neat job at it, they could probably reuse the code with little modification to account for the prices of
nebullite and such. there's the problem of designing the new UI, but they're pros. it shouldn't take too long.

[quote=bloodIsShed]maybe, as a way to decrease instances of scam, whenever someone gets an item from gach or such, the game could show a list of the same items and their current price in the fm
or show the price of the item that was sold, if there are currently none in the fm. kinda like how owl works, but w/o the button to go to the shop. if the item is a nebullite, maybe show the
prices of nebullites of the same ranking. kinda like a "heads up" of sort.[/quote]

Of course this takes an effort from the dev team, but it's brainstorming like this in the right place at the right time that really brings the game forward to be more user-friendly. Programming it costs time and money though, so even if it sounds horrible of them, Nexon has to compare/scale our satisfaction with how much money and players they bring in.

@WowChowMein I would definitely chew out a "friend" that cheated someone else. I'd try to get them to return it, or do something to make up for it for someone else if they can't return whatever item. I want to be able to wholeheartedly trust my friends.

maybe, as a way to decrease instances of scam, whenever someone gets an item from gach or such, the game could show a list of the same items and their current price in the fm
or show the price of the item that was sold, if there are currently none in the fm. kinda like how owl works, but w/o the button to go to the shop. if the item is a nebullite, maybe show the
prices of nebullites of the same ranking. kinda like a "heads up" of sort.

[quote=bloodIsShed]"I don't expect beginners to know the price, I expect them to know they're being ripped off"[/quote]

Sorry it's late so I'm not making much sense. Let me clarify.
>Someone approaches me for something I have
>Willing to pay 3x the price they say it's worth.

That raises an obvious red flag. Why would anyone want to pay 3x the price for something?

[quote=AshleyAttacked]His/her parents are more to blame than anyone else. You need to raise your kids to be aware of this and that you should never trust -anyone- that hasn't already carefully and over a long time EARNED your trust. Beyond that...teaching self reliance and instilling your kids with the understanding and knowledge enabling them to know how to research and find things out for themselves is enormously useful. And....beyond even that...teach your kids that taking anything from anyone that isn't theirs...and that they have no right to...is not only bad but criminal and fits my notion of the concept of 'evil.' [/quote]

People can always find reason to shift the blame to the parent / guardian / teacher, but as a person that is not a toddler, they have to be able to accept responsibility for their actions and be accountable themselves.

@CherryTigers This applies to your comment too. The girl has to accept responsibility for her part in it and accept that she was scammed. Her next steps could be to learn more about how to avoid being scammed; she could try and take a stand and bring it to a GM's attention; she could forum post and bring the issue out to the community like I have; etc. Nobody can be "at fault" for being uninformed, but they can accept responsibility for their part and try to avoid the issue next time. You could say it's Nexon's fault for her not knowing because they didn't pop up a window upon entering the FM. You could say it's her school teacher's fault for not warning against basic marketing and scamming strategies. You could blame it on her parents. You could blame it on her grandparents for not teaching her parents to teach her... but in the end, all we can do is move forward.

The cheater hasn't accepted any responsibility, and should be punished; though I'm not entirely sure how one would go about it "legally?" with Nexon, as this is one of the grey area's that would involve a GM's discretion.

[quote=AshleyAttacked] since I know I mean well and really want to help, I try my best to do it whenever I can and for whoever I can. [/quote]

I really respect thoughts like these, and though they are frail and simply ideals on their own, with them we're able to come up with systems and socially acceptable actions/morals that we all can practice and enjoy. Sure there will be people that try to ruin it for others, but as long as they are held accountable and punitive measures are brought accordingly, we can move forward.

[quote=Belzier]Being passive about it and saying "people will do it" won't change anything. You're letting it happen by saying that, and are actually content that it's a part of your community. That attitude doesn't help us grow together; not at all.

To anyone that defends the behaviour of the cheater I mentioned in the original post: I would like to personally invite you to remove yourselves from our communities and seek therapy of some sort.[/quote]

Yes it am being passive about it. What if your close friends are the ones doing it? Would you stop them? Admittedly I can't. I'd definitely be happy for them, despite knowing that it's a such an immoral thing to do. I honestly value my friends more then some random noob but that's just the type of person I am. My friends are the reason I still play this game. They motivate me and inspire me to set goals and keep playing. If not for them I probably would have quit by now.

@Belzier

Before I say anything else, I'd just like to say that the more recent posts on this thread are just great. I love reading about people's opinions!

Any of us talking also doesn't change a thing either. It's sad, but this kind of thing will always happen. There's no true way to justify it, but people will always do it.

The real question is who is at fault? I sympathize for both the scammer and the victim, but I'd have to say the victim is the one who could have prevented this by being more informed. It sucks for me to say that, I know, but it's the only thing that can be done. As I said in my first comment, you can only really watch out for the immediate people around you, and even then, sometimes that's too much to watch out for.

It's peoples duty to be informed about these types of things and her being uninformed brought her to losing her money. Of course, the scammers are HUGELY at fault as well. @WowChowMein's post made sense too.

I'm just running circles in my head now. I have too many thoughts about this but none will enter my fingertips in a logical way for me to type it out.

[quote=WowChowMein]I don't expect noobs to know the price of anything but they could at least stop and think about it.This transaction could have been easily prevent if she just had a good head on her shoulders. [/quote]
"I don't expect beginners to know the price, I expect them to know they're being ripped off"

His/her parents are more to blame than anyone else. You need to raise your kids to be aware of this and that you should never trust -anyone- that hasn't already carefully and over a long time EARNED your trust. Beyond that...teaching self reliance and instilling your kids with the understanding and knowledge enabling them to know how to research and find things out for themselves is enormously useful. And....beyond even that...teach your kids that taking anything from anyone that isn't theirs, and this includes by means that don't just include physical theft but even by lying to people and misleading them...stuff that they have no right to...is not only bad but criminal. You just do not do that.

Beyond that, this is the sort of thing that more people who mean well and who genuinely care should be inspired by. I don't know the answer to everything...and I'm not always able to help people...but since I know I mean well and really want to help, I try my best to do it whenever I can and for whoever I can. It's always good to fill the world with goodness...and if you mean well and want to help people...just think of how much goodness you could be putting into the world on your own.

Too many good people don't realize how much better the world would be if they tried to help out and spread their good nature.

[quote=WowChowMein]I'm not defending the guy in anyway. I'm saying people are opportunistic by nature and will take advantage of something when given the opportunity. Yes some of us a strong enough and have the morality to[/quote]

Being passive about it and saying "people will do it" won't change anything. You're letting it happen by saying that, and are actually content that it's a part of your community. That attitude doesn't help us grow together; not at all.

To anyone that defends the behaviour of the cheater I mentioned in the original post: I would like to personally invite you to remove yourselves from our communities and seek therapy of some sort.

I'm not defending the guy in anyway. I'm saying people are opportunistic by nature and will take advantage of something when given the opportunity. Yes some of us a strong enough and have the morality to stop ourselves from snooping so low. IMO anyone who spends money on games should definitely take their time familiarizing themselves and doing a bit of research or ask around. I don't expect noobs to know the price of anything but they could at least stop and think about it.This transaction could have been easily prevent if she just had a good head on her shoulders.

Edit : Oops submitted by accident earlier. Stoopid mobile.

@Belzier:

I'm calling out the person:

Looking for a gacher.

Lying about prices. (says its worth 1m but he'll buy it for 3)

Responding to you saying he doesn't have a heart.

The biggest thing people ignore is that he said it's worth 1m(not true) but he'll buy it for 3. He's lying in order to get what he wants. Just ignore the merch aspect of it. Lying to someone for personal gain at their loss is the core of it.

That doesn't qualify as merching anymore. That's just straight up scamming since it involves lies and/or (possibly) pressure tactics.

Sadly, there's nothing that can be done because this kind of thing will always happen. Most of the people who are on maplestory fan sites are at least mildly informed to the point where they have a lower chance of being tricked. PSAs do not do anything since the victims usually do not visit fan sites as they are completely uninformed to begin with.

The only thing you can really do is keep your close guild/alliance/buddy list safe. That's all you can really do, and sometimes, even that seems impossible.

It's 6am right now so I'm a bit tired so excuse my disconnected typing. And to anyone who wants to make any "logical" argument that it's the victim's fault, yes, it is partially her fault, BUT it is even more so the greed of the scammer that is the biggest problem. [b]Any DECENT person would have informed the girl of the real price. Any DECENT person would have done it even if they couldn't afford the neb and they really wanted it. DECENT people understand that if they don't have the money, they can WORK and ACHIEVE what they get.[/b]

DECENT people don't just jump and say "omg, an opportunity to make money," because decent people know that that money doesn't rightfully belong to them, and the idea of having something that doesn't belong to them is enough to just disgust them.

I've seen so many merch guides which have literally discussed tricking noobs and justifying it by saying "If you don't scam the noob, someone else will scam them."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiS3zn0EAtA
I'm not saying that you telling the uninformed person about prices is going to end the vicious cycle. That's not what I'm saying, and I'm not saying that you stepping up and doing the right thing is going to cause others to step up, because the harsh truth is that it isn't. What I am saying is that when you step up, you make a decision. It's not just to benefit the person that you could have tricked, it's to benefit YOURSELF as well. To have an iron will with morals will make you a stronger person AND a more successful person as you will begin to look at situations differently. When cheating and underhanded methods of success don't even enter your mind when you're faced with a problem, you'll consider other options and eventually these options may positively build you up and make you a better person in heart AND perhaps even a more successful person.

You can also make the argument that people only learn from the hard way and that you're doing them a "favor" by tricking them, which will eventually teach them, but it does nothing except turn you into a greedy worm. When you lose senses of your morals, you begin to solve your problems with other underhanded tactics, and that causes you to spiral down as well. Also, to trick someone else, when they find out, sometimes they also catch on and think "I just got tricked, therefore I have the right to trick someone else now." That's the vicious cycle that continues that needs to stop. I know this world is not a fairy tail. It's impossible for this crap to stop and it never will, but just because "everyone" else is doing something does NOT mean you have to follow along as well.

It disgusts me to see this and for people to make weak justifications about how "it's just a game, so therefore I can throw away all my morals." It's nothing except an excuse to justify your greed. The arguments do nothing except push forward with your own self interests.

Sorry again for this disconnected paragraph of mumbo jumbo. I'm just rambling on about nothing at all at this point. I saw a video of a 29 year old chinese man stomping and assulting a 2 year old toddler for NO REASON. I'm just disgusted today. I don't know what to think anymore.

[quote=MybulIets]It's not against the Rules, to publicly shame them right ?
That's a pretty crap thing to do, atleast give her more than that..[/quote]
Think it comes to Rule 1: Attacking or Rule 3: Inappropriate Content
If you name an individual, usually a mod finds the thread then locks it. Which I find pretty stupid because you can't call anyone out and have a discussion without having the thread locked (Please do not suspend or ban me for this, please take it as constructive criticism)

On Topic: Pretty dog, you can defend the guy as "that's real life and oops get over it" but Maple isn't real life. It's a game. It's people like this that allow the game to die because no new players can get into it without being tricked or deceived by more veteran players who want nothing more but to scam and make profit. The guy is a scammer and a fraud. I don't know how some can defend this guy and to just say that she should get over it. She was new to the game and wanted to enjoy it by doing gach and was preyed on by scumbags that thought that easy profit would be made because this person is clueless. Someone who doesn't know much about something but is then confronted by someone who seems like a more veteran player can EASILY INFLUENCE one's decision making and thought process. You guys are pretty much saying that she should've known how the game works and know the prices of certain things. No she's a new player and has the mind to believe someone much more experienced is right about some purple triangle item that doesn't seem useful because you can't just equip it or see a damage boost.

Like Jesus Christ, You guys are just magically expecting her to know the prices of a game which has hundreds of items and not suspecting someone to steal an item worth several billions that could make the game more interesting and fun for her for the price of 3million which in her eyes is probably a huge amount. The money that she put into this game to make it more fun and worthwhile was stolen by a couple of merchants thinking of making a quick buck at the expense of a new player. How some can defend this i find ludicrous.

TL;DR: Maple isn't real life, stop comparing it to real life, this guy is a scumbag, how can you guys defend him. She's a new player, treat her as such.

[quote=Duzz]It shouldn't even show up as a notice in the first place...[/quote]

I agree with this 100%.

It shouldn't even show up as a notice in the first place...

[quote=Drextal]The problem here is the type of person we're talking about.

Deliberately targeting people who are gaching and saying this/that isn't the real price and when you confront them about it like TS did, they try to justify it in some way.[/quote]

@WowChowMein I deliberately said in my post that I understand merching. Being a mercher is being a "middleman" of sorts. You buy from the factory for a reasonable price, and you put it on the shelf to make it easier for people to find, but increase the price to cover time and upkeep costs. Deal hunters go straight to the source like the merchers. In Maple, I see getting a ~50% return on an item you merch to be fair. I get it, you want to make money. But give them less than 1% of the price of the item in Maplestory and it's basically stealing from them, on top of the lies you told them to put them in the mindset to sell. Disgusting.

[quote=WowChowMein]To be honest, I'd probably do the same thing. I mean I won't go that low but regardless, ripping someone off is ripping someone off. I definitely would not pay 5b or whatever the current price is for a boss neb when I can get it for less. It is the seller's fault for not knowing their prices though.[/quote]

The problem here is the type of person we're talking about.

Deliberately targeting people who are gaching and saying this/that isn't the real price and when you confront them about it like TS did, they try to justify it in some way.