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I don't bust back because i shoot first.

They are anhero's

What, really? I didn't know that. I thought they were pitied, not idolized.

Some suicide are done in honour. Maybe that's what you meant? Like when you commit seppuku.

they're not idolized at all, they're just pitied
like a lot
people heap so much pity and sympathy on them that it seems like admiration, but it's not

also, i'm not quite sure you can pass judgement on depression, true clinical depression, until you've experienced it
perhaps then suicide might not seem so idiotic

[quote=BrandonIsBack]This is stupid.
"I didn't ask to be born" is something I've never even heard a depressed person say.
Anyone who says that is absolutely stupid. No doubt in my mind.[/quote]

This post literally would be the same as if you didn't reply at all lol

Believe it or not, no one has any responsibility to cater to your tunnel vision morals, ethics and values.

[quote=BlEBER]Did they ask to be born? Just because they decided they didn't want invest anything into life anymore really has nothing to do with being weak or strong (or you). You sound like you have your head stuck up your ass pretty deep. And why would they have any responsibility to stay alive in the first place? Why would they need an excuse in the first place lmao. Last time I checked they never asked to be born + the emotional impact it has on the person's loved ones is minuscule in comparison to the financial, and environmental impact. For example, I knew a cousin who killed himself in high school. Were his parents sad? Yes. But they sure aren't crying 5 years later when they saved a crapload of money on college expenses lool.

Anyways, don't be such a short sighted dumbass.[/quote]

This is stupid.
"I didn't ask to be born" is something I've never even heard a depressed person say.
Anyone who says that is absolutely stupid. No doubt in my mind.

There are three types of people in this world,

people who've been through depression,
people who are going through depression,
and people who have yet to face depression

Did they ask to be born? Just because they decided they didn't want invest anything into life anymore really has nothing to do with being weak or strong (or you). You sound like you have your head stuck up your ass pretty deep. And why would they have any responsibility to stay alive in the first place? Why would they need an excuse in the first place lmao. Last time I checked they never asked to be born + the emotional impact it has on the person's loved ones is minuscule in comparison to the financial, and environmental impact. For example, I knew a cousin who killed himself in high school. Were his parents sad? Yes. But they sure aren't crying 5 years later when they saved a crapload of money on college expenses lool.

Anyways, don't be such a short sighted dumbass.

It just seems like depressed people think they are superior or something because they "know what depression is cause [they've] been through it".
Implying that the rest of us are ignorant fools.

[quote=CantBeStopped]@DrRomance: Who said anything about making depressed people feel worse? I'm an equal opportunity 'child'. I step on everyone that doesn't have respect for themselves. Can I be a hammer or jigsaw?[/quote]

You should carry around a boombox with U Can't Touch This playing on loop all the time

[quote=DrRomance]LOL. Listen child, there's a difference between not respecting depressed people and just being a tool
Like I don't respect them because I think they're weak but I don't go out of my way to make them feel worse[/quote]

could you not feel the sarcasm in his first post

I think you're confused about what depression really is. In most contexts, people would say they're feeling depressed that day which just means really bummed out or sad. When in reality, depression is a chemical imbalance that will not let you feel any redeeming emotion at all for long periods of time, you can't exactly get over that hurdle without therapy and antidepressants.
You have every right to an opinion, I'm not gonna comment on that but you need to realize what depression actually is before you state your opinion.

@BrandonIsBack:

It clearly ain't. If it was, no one would help them/ no one would care.

[quote=betaboi101]Another high school kid or dare I say adult with an immature inconsiderate personality. Clearly your parent's/ guardians/ whatever your situation of family has failed with teaching you morals[/quote]

I find it immoral that suicide is an acceptable thing.

i wish you would provide at least one instance to back up what you're saying

Another high school kid or dare I say adult with an immature inconsiderate personality. Clearly your parent's/ guardians/ whatever your situation of family has failed with teaching you morals

Hmm
I think the biggest mistake here is that you assume everyone is living in the same world as you. At that point, it's very easy to start talking about things as if you're a shining example of rationality and that people who don't do things like you would expect them to are either weak or really dumb or some combination of both.

So look, just like a person who is convinced that UFOs exist and that his second cousin twice removed on his mother's side was accidentally abducted by aliens while out cow tipping one night probably has very little clue about the way you think about things, you probably have just as little of an idea about how someone who committed suicide saw the world.

Also, idk about the whole idolising thing you're talking about. P sure that's just to console the people left behind.

@BrandonIsBack:
All I can ask of you is that you must get yourself educated with what depression is.
How it works, how it affects millions of people worldwide, how other people deal with it, and how it is treated.
It's a rather sensitive topic &you may not see where other people &I are coming from, but we don't want to live with this.
You don't wake up one morning &tell depression to go away because if it were that easy, we'd do it anyways.
Depression isn't something to take lightly because it's a mental illness, something that you can't see or grasp.
I hope that you never get to that point in your life where you develop it, I sincerely hope you don't.
I don't want you to be ridiculed over something that you can't take away. Depression can be suppressed.
Depression can also come back whenever it wants.
If there was a 100% cure do you think we'd still have it if it was curable?
We don't want to be hailed as heroes, we don't want this fame and for it to be over-romanticized.
It's not beautiful. It's ugly, despicable, grotesque and we have to wake up every morning hoping it'll get better the next day.
You can say what you want, but don't make us feel bad because we can't recover like you.

killing yourself means that you are just a complete coward
not having the balls to deal with your problems and taking the "easy" way out is just pathetic

@BrandonIsBack: I think that is the dumbest argument against suicidal people that I have ever read.

"get over it" yeah okay...

I wouldn't put it as roughly as you did, but it is the most cowardly and selfish thing you can do. You're not just doing it to yourself, all the person around you have to suffer

[quote=lukethebuc]the key is to get help, if you are depressed to the point of wanting to actually kill yourself, please get help! anybody a teacher, co-worker.. you need to talk to someone you trust[/quote]

I agree with this as well. With so much help out there, there's no reason not to.

the key is to get help, if you are depressed to the point of wanting to actually kill yourself, please get help! anybody a teacher, co-worker.. you need to talk to someone you trust

Brandon, admitting you're thinking of suicide is the first step to recovery

People like you are why depressed people exist.

[quote=MateoCl]You don't understand how someone can deal with pain differently and I don't understand how someone can be so ignorant.[/quote]

Shut up.
Pain is one thing, killing yourself is completely different.
I've probably been through a lot more in my life than some suicidal people, and I dealt with it my way.
They deal with theirs their way.
But killing yourself and pain are completely different. The mindset of someone who commits suicide isn't the one of someone in pain, it's one of someone too weak to deal with it.

@eeelyk
That's fair, and I agree.
I probably shouldn't say a lot of this because I'll admit, I __don't__ know. But I just want to see if anyone can at least try to understand my point of view, instead of just whining because I don't understand theirs.

You don't understand how someone can deal with pain differently and I don't understand how someone can be so ignorant.

[quote=BrandonIsBack]Someone understands.[/quote]

It's not even just suicidal people. Look at Michael Brown. He was a thug and a criminal but once he got killed suddenly he became a hero and everyone supported him.

Basically anyone who gets killed from a non-natural death

[quote=Aalina]@BrandonIsBack Good question. Bringing this old pic up from a while back. [url=http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb4xzn&s=8#.VIeD12TF-Xw]Paris vs. Amanda[/url][/quote]

Someone understands.

Suicide victims AREN'T talked about like heroes. People talk about suicidal celebs because they are famous. Did you just learn about this word for the first time today? If so you should be curious, not making blanket statements how you think things are.

@BrandonIsBack Good question. Bringing this old pic up from a while back. [url=http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb4xzn&s=8#.VIeD12TF-Xw]Paris vs. Amanda[/url]

[quote=RLxBellz]I don't even know if you've even fully thought out this thread.
It's got one-sided written all over it. Do you even know how depression works?
There's a reason why people with severe depression may resort to something sensitive as 'suicide'.
I wouldn't even wish depression on my worst enemies you know why ?
Depression eats you alive, makes you feel like you don't fit in, makes you feel so insanely alone.
It ruins everything that people with depression are holding onto when people like you talk bad about people like us.
It doesn't affect just you, but your relationship with other people in the present and future.
I guess it's not enough for you that their whole lives is affected by it huh?
You had to be that guy to call us idiots when we've got our own set of problems to deal with.[/quote]

If you can't deal with something someone online says, you'll never be able to get over your problems.
I see, maybe that's what you're trying to say.
I guess I should just deal with the fact that people are way too sensitive to everything, and keep my mouth shut because I might hurt one of them ,right?

Might just be your own personal experience but I've never seen people with depression/suicidal thoughts held up as heroes/good people. They're just like anybody else with misfortune in their life, the media uses it for ratings. It's something a lot of people can relate to and that makes it marketable. You don't see the media condemning people in wheel chairs do you? No, it's sympathy...pity. It's just a matter of tugging at the heart strings.

I don't even know if you've even fully thought out this thread.
It's got one-sided written all over it. Do you even know how depression works?
There's a reason why people with severe depression may resort to something sensitive as 'suicide'.
I wouldn't even wish depression on my worst enemies you know why ?
Depression eats you alive, makes you feel like you don't fit in, makes you feel so insanely alone.
It ruins everything that people with depression are holding onto when people like you talk bad about people like us.
It doesn't affect just you, but your relationship with other people in the present and future.
I guess it's not enough for you that their whole lives is affected by it huh?
You had to be that guy to call us idiots when we've got our own set of problems to deal with.

[quote=bobloln42]Your opinion is yours but it's also horrendously biased and quite insulting to people that have real problems. There is a difference between being an angsty person who can't deal with their "insignificant" problems and people with chemical imbalances that truly have a hard time overcoming things. May be hard for you to perceive that people experience things different from you, but I'm sure you can do it~[/quote]

This is a good argument, and I agree many people experience different things. I also see that people can't deal with them as easily as others, I may have gotten a bit off topic in my rant.
But my original question still stands, why do people treat them like they're right for doing what they did? Why do people justify it? Why are suicidal people pitied?

As a person with mental illness, you can gladly piss off.

Your opinion is yours but it's also horrendously biased and quite insulting to people that have real problems. There is a difference between being an angsty person who can't deal with their "insignificant" problems and people with chemical imbalances that truly have a hard time overcoming things. May be hard for you to perceive that people experience things different from you, but I'm sure you can do it~

[quote=Killeem]u a idiot[/quote]

Okay. Tell me why.

u a idiot