General

[quote=unknown4576]when is it coming?[/quote]

What we are talking about is comming on May 1. Here is a hookup to the highlights.
http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/updates/update-highlights/00FyF

@KiritoSAO: Oh. Makes sense.... I guess...

[quote=ThatBox]What do you all mean by "Pro"? Professional maplestory players?[/quote]

As in they're godly.

WELL. For the last event, I actually spent my time collecting coins to buy those tempest stuff. BUT, Nexon decides to give everyone it.. and my prices lowered.. I even added epic potential scrolls to it. Nexon even makes the stuff peic too.. -.-. Nah, I'll blow it out on Nexon...

What do you all mean by "Pro"? Professional maplestory players?

Editr: This certainly helps me. I have around 13m. I have no clue how to "merch", and I'm certainly NOT willing to waste months doing it. There's no reason for making money to be this tedious at all. Besides, clean empress equips? Whoop dee doo. Just because we have empress equips doesn't mean we're all going to godly scroll them.

To be perfectly fair, the only equipment that would've had any real value (at least in terms of empress gear) even without this event; would be the weapons and shoulderpads since you can't get them from anything but empress / evolving empress. Whereas the normal armor + capes are laughably easy to get now even without an event by just beating on the chief knights in evolving world so their values would've dropped regardless. My preferred method of making money is merchanting so this doesn't really affect me too much but even if it did.... other ways of making money DO exist (for example off the top of my head; farm giant spider familiars and sell them for 20m each, buy 4 MMb's for each familiar sold, ?, profit *hopefully!*)

[quote=herborist]Alright, stop talking about math. Your head is up your butt and you don't know what you're talking about.

As for the equips, they won't flood anything. There's no way that those equips will appear often enough. It wouldn't make sense; no other equips ever appear that often.[/quote]

So be it. Considering the tone of your post, we have nothing else to gain from each other. Again, time tell what will happen.

I am SOOOO going to abuse this event!

[quote=herborist]1. That's not a calculus reference. That's an algebra reference.

2. Do you honestly expect me to believe that they would flood the market with level 140 items? Even tempest % rings, belts, and shoulders from evo world farming didn't "food the market".[/quote]

Time will tell. The concept of infinity is calculus based, but anyways, not the point. I do honestly expect you to believe that it will flood the market. If you do not, that is a disagreement we have and not much can change that. The only thing to do is wait for the patch. All will be revealed.

@herborist: They said the empress equips flooded the market and the value of them approached zero as x approaches infinity [yes, a calculus reference -_-]. Whatever the drop rate is, "it will be enough to flood the market" is what I remember.
If you want exact words, I do not remember. This came out in KMS a while ago.

@TsShadow, haha I know right? Many people however do not have 2b so it is difficult for them to fully realize how little 2b is. The meso cap is misleading and needs to be changed. Fortunately, it will be changed to 10b I believe.

Yep, it makes things easier for those just coming back to the game or those who struggled for decent equips. I just got strong enough to be able to hunt for those equips via Evo, but it really does not bother me... Hell, it makes getting equips for my alliance and maple gf that much easier

[quote=kidpapafluff]There's a reason why we put those up for that high. Empress herself is REALLY hard to beat, and I only actually succeed on 1-2 runs per week, but V2 is easy. This is our way of making money, and it's very boring, difficult, and annoying to do. We're really pissed off right now because of you noobs saying that we're deciding what our prices should be and that we "take pride" in jacking up our prices. Only about 1-2 weapons drop from her on 2x usually and I've gone on plenty of runs where only dream stones dropped. We'd be much happier if you guys just calmed down and stopped rubbing it in our faces.[/quote]

To me, all of this conflict can be generalized as the "haves" and the "have nots". I agree with you. Yesterday I did a full run (trio) and Empress only dropped two weapons, a knuckle and a 2h axe. D: There is not much more to add or take away from the conflict that exists. Unfortunately, the patch is coming, whether we like it or not, and we have to deal with the consequences.

Not everybody checks kms blogs.
Tbh, I'm only angry because I finally found a way to make money from evo world, made my first billion and eventually my first max mesos. I then wasted it on equip upgrades and now it's impossible to sell the empress capes I have.

I'm glad this is happening, but I just bought a baselard a couple days ago before the event was announced. That's pretty gay IMO. But I pray (not to be mean, but for my own sake), they are still 500m ish because baselards in general are quite rare so yeah.

[quote=meowmeow2]im not doing daily empress, as well as do not profiting from it.
althrought, i AM negative against this idea.
i worked hard, to get my mesos. and slowly - upgraded gear to the MIGHTY EMPRESS. now, ill see some noob who dont know english - full with 9% items of tempest, and now full empress set? dealing very decent damage!
its very annoying, because HE DIDNT WORKED FOR THAT DAMAGE! he just enjoyed give aways of nexon.

i know nexon should give advantages to everyone, but this is way too much.[/quote]

... Tell me about it, now go complain about botters who didn't work for their damage. o.o

[quote=herborist]Confirmed what? I've never seen any of them say what the drop rates are. All they've confirmed is that we CAN get empress equips.

How do you know the rates aren't incredibly low to obtain the equips or the boxes?[/quote]

I go to school in New York City, a very diverse place. I have many Korean friends who play MapleStory and know about what goes on in KMS. One of my guildmates is Korean and knows what goes on in KMS also. If I was not specific before, hopefully this is.

[quote=Entezio]It's a shame how most of you pros are playing this game as if it were a job instead of playing it as a game.[/quote]

If I put effort, thought, and time into something, anything that puts that in vain even slightly would tick me off. Sorry for my shameful posts.

[quote=Darkstar764]People from KMS have confirmed[/quote]

Isn't the only way to get boxes from the board game and from the cake boss?
That's not much at all ._.

[quote=herborist]How? How do you know the boxes will drop often? How do you know the boxes will give empress equips often?[/quote]

People from KMS have confirmed

@herborist: KMS had the same thing.

[quote=herborist]Why is everyone assuming that the empress equips will be easy obtain? For all we know, only a few people might get any throughout the entire event.

@cilverx4: KMS' economy tanked, but for different reasons, so it's impossible to predict what the empress gear giveaway did.[/quote]

We are not assuming. We know that they will be easy to obtain.

@mrkungpow, this is partly true. However, the availability of these items provide the possibility for fusing. +10 attack bonus potential on each equip OP much? This is an extreme, but how easy it is insane.

[quote=archersteven]The rich as you call us have become accustomed to a certain way of playing this game. Our routines generally consist of logging on, empressing, magnusing, finishing our trait routines for the day, resetting our mushies, then talking to friends and eventually logging off. People like me have gotton into the habit of not saving money at all, due to the prospect of an infinitely large pool of resources that continues to replenish itself if one is diligent enough to empress or whatnot daily. After this event there won't be any money to be made from empress. Magnus isn't exactly a suitable replacement either, with its low drop rate of nova items and the requirement to psok the items before selling them. The population that can afford nova items is far smaller than the population that can afford empress items. Furthermore not every class is suitable to easily Magnus. There are people I know who intentionally funded several characters just so they'd be able to empress on them, whereas they could have further funded their mains.
So what is my point? My point is that the players that make this game go round are about to lose their main source of income. Why do we influence the game so much? If people did not have access to potentially some of the best items in the game people would not have been able to further themselves. Empress runners face the prospect of new competitors every time they sell an item. The endless cycle. Without further becoming stronger more powerful players eventually won't be able to kill the newly implemented bosses, meaning they'll only be able to obtain the drops from these bosses in events like the philosopher books or marvel. What does this mean, no one else besides the richest will be able to afford the best items. For without a supply, the demand will cause massively insanely high prices for highly coveted items. This event does not make the gap between the rich and the poor smaller, it makes it even larger.[/quote]

Theres no point dude. Ive tried to explain, but these kids dont want to use their brains. They see "free empress, free range increase, everyone gets better!" and nothing more. People tend not to look deeper into a situation when it seems satisfactory to them, so these guys dont realize that the rich/poor gap could get waaay wider depending on the empress rates from these boxes and the drop rates of the boxes themselves...and whether or not they drop in room 3 of evo world. I reallly want someone who plays kms to give me some insight here. I want to know what happened to the economy after they had this event. And what the fm looks like a few months into unlimited. Maybe I'll just have to go through the trouble of getting on kms myself

Does anyone else have a feeling that hackers will vac the boxes just like they do in christmas and other maple events?

[quote=xKimyAran]You're right. I just wonder how stuck up you have to be to ALWAYS feel the need to be greater than the others. Why is it so bad that everyone will now be able to get Emp gear? Why do you NEED to have something others don't?
Aaaand that's what is wrong with society in general.[/quote]

The last statement, is because this is MapleStory, society in general is not what everyone thinks.

On another note, i say we should stop asking things about empress things since we haven't (again) seen the event at it's fullest, we need to see with open eyes rather than with speculations because, let's atmit it, nobody is talking about anything else more than empress things, what about the mastery books and the (sort of) refreshing content?

I, for one, say that we should calm down, if the "economy" of this game is crashing, then that IS speculation since we don't need a billion of mesos just for potions, why do people wants millions of mesos? because there is an infinite circle, when you're able to merch properly (aka, at least buy a shop permit) then you can almost sell anything that is worth people's time, then, if that person bought it to you, you might have mesos enough to buy more items from the FM at a cheaper price when you sold them, so you can put a higher price on them, so people keep going to your shop and buy your things so you can have mesos enough to buy more items from the FM for then selling them onto your shop and then repeat the process again and again and again

PD: I DO NOT despise merchers, i rather see it as a life method of them to survive in this game or just to look a bit more pro.

TL; DR: (Aside from first statement) Free empress being an overrated article, nobody is talking about anything else like mastery books or (sort of) refreshing content for new people, talking about merching being an infinite circle since we don't need millions of mesos to buy lots of potions and the fact of merchers buying from other merchers to sell these themselves so they can repeat the cycle again, and again, and again. I do not despise merchers tough.

[quote=xKimyAran]You're right. I just wonder how stuck up you have to be to ALWAYS feel the need to be greater than the others. Why is it so bad that everyone will now be able to get Emp gear? Why do you NEED to have something others don't?
Aaaand that's what is wrong with society in general.[/quote]

This "give away" hinders the ability of a fairly large proportion of the population's ability to make money. I am very stuck up if I feel like the work I put into this game in is in vain. It is so bad that everyone will now be able to get empress gear because those who previously ran had this as their means of making mesos. I feel the need to have something others do not because if they do not have it, they probably are too unfunded to afford it. They probably did not work hard for it. They probably are getting it for basically free.

What's wrong with this society in general is that the majority (people who are too lazy or do not work hard enough) think that they have the right to get things for basically free. One of my BL compared it to a concept of communism, where the wealth is divided.

My argument is that there are negatives to this patch, which people are failing to recognize, such as the original poster.
People who used to sell these equips will not be able to sell for much mesos anymore. This event will NOT benefit EVERYONE. There are some who would be better off without the event than with. These are the people who are angry.

I'm pretty sure a large expedition (12+ people) of 50k ranges if organized can kill full empress. Most people see empress as this almighty figure that the average man cannot kill. The argument about bringing more than 1 person to empress (The DR cycles correspond for each person.) is invalid because with two binds and two crashers, it is better for say 12 people to be attacking Empress for ~38 seconds straight every 70 seconds than for one person to be soloing. The burst damage is a significant factor of killing empress. If you do too low damage, she does automatic (double) heals when below a certain threshold of HP.

[quote=xKimyAran]You're right. I just wonder how stuck up you have to be to ALWAYS feel the need to be greater than the others. Why is it so bad that everyone will now be able to get Emp gear? Why do you NEED to have something others don't?
Aaaand that's what is wrong with society in general.[/quote]

First off a great population of maple could already afford empress so its not like each piece is 1b a piece. People who have been empressing daily for mouths have gotten proift then suddenly an event comes and drops the price drastically. How does that benefit them at all? Now there out of an income? The only other option would be Magnus with his low drop rate its almost pointless and even LESS people can afford that.

And tbh empress isn't even that hard getting a group of a few friends to even do v2 isn't that much work.

Just in time, I sold my Clean Dragon Tail Mage cape for 500m to someone 2 days ago

[quote=Bknight50]Seriously? You guys can't wait one month? After a month, I'm sure empress will go up again....[/quote]

I doubt this because there will be such an incredible spike in the amount of empress stuff floating around, that the return to normal price will be so far away. It is like how the tempest equips were so available, the price of them will remain so low compared to how they were without the event.

I was mad when I bought Empress equips for about 200mil - 300mil each and then they suddenly dropped down to under 100mil each a couple of weeks later.

The rich as you call us have become accustomed to a certain way of playing this game. Our routines generally consist of logging on, empressing, magnusing, finishing our trait routines for the day, resetting our mushies, then talking to friends and eventually logging off. People like me have gotton into the habit of not saving money at all, due to the prospect of an infinitely large pool of resources that continues to replenish itself if one is diligent enough to empress or whatnot daily. After this event there won't be any money to be made from empress. Magnus isn't exactly a suitable replacement either, with its low drop rate of nova items and the requirement to psok the items before selling them. The population that can afford nova items is far smaller than the population that can afford empress items. Furthermore not every class is suitable to easily Magnus. There are people I know who intentionally funded several characters just so they'd be able to empress on them, whereas they could have further funded their mains.
So what is my point? My point is that the players that make this game go round are about to lose their main source of income. Why do we influence the game so much? If people did not have access to potentially some of the best items in the game people would not have been able to further themselves. Empress runners face the prospect of new competitors every time they sell an item. The endless cycle. Without further becoming stronger more powerful players eventually won't be able to kill the newly implemented bosses, meaning they'll only be able to obtain the drops from these bosses in events like the philosopher books or marvel. What does this mean, no one else besides the richest will be able to afford the best items. For without a supply, the demand will cause massively insanely high prices for highly coveted items. This event does not make the gap between the rich and the poor smaller, it makes it even larger.

ITT: Too many people calling others noobs because they don't wanna waste their real cash on this game. So what if "noobs" can get empress now? There's nothing you can do about it so stop whining. Like the ts said, we DID know ahead of time about this event.

@Darkies: oh sweet thanks

if there are a lot of emp it means that the price would drop. yes
BUT how will the poor make/get richer by selling the emp equips when they might be an extremely low price?
meaning no one will be getting richer

[quote=YoungRalph]You have a very good point but I would also like to disagree. I believe supply and demand is the very last factor in the pricing of these equips. Lets be real here. If we scale every item to the cost of potions. The value of an item dropped from a boss would(god I wish it was like this) be equal to double the npc is offering for you to get rid of it. But the first person that gets ahold of something , what does he do? How much was that very first zak helm that became available after whoever killed it first? I wasn't around until 2 years later but Ill bet hundreds of real dollars it was max mesos. So you tell me. Did this guy really think "eventually other people will get these so i should probably go ahead and start out with a fair price"? Nah he just threw it up there for max mesos, because I guess its easier than actually pricing an item for sale over a large period of time.[/quote]

Empress prices have had a long time to stabilize at the price it is really worth. I remember buying clean warrior empress glove for 600m (wish I could take this back). Back then, what you said definitely held true. However, now I feel otherwise. In Windia, warrior empress glove is like 25m now, which is 50 cents if you equate it to the real world.

Aw! I just bought my emp cape for 500m a few days ago

[quote=nicomatryx]will the boxes drop emp weapons?[/quote]

According to Max's blog, yes it will drop empress weapons. As for variety, I can not say.

will the boxes drop emp weapons?

[quote=YoungRalph]I am very happy about this. I actually maintain a life outside of maple(not saying others don't) that is pretty much running all day long every day until I get a little time for maple. I have never had over 800 mil and am looking forward to getting ahold of some items that would boost my character. As you can see, I actually do spend money on nx just for the little things available for me to make mesos off of, so why shouldnt I be able to get some empress equips here and there and feel good about it. Why do the players who "have the time" or more money or whatever have to make everyone else feel like this event is somehow stealing from them, when we all know that the prices these items are usually sold for do not reflect their actual worth? Maple is full of people who get a hold of something and charge as much as they can for it when we all know its just overkill and inflation.[/quote]

I'm not sure what goes on in your world. But in Windia, people undercut very much. Where I would disagree on this is what contributes to the price of the equips. I would think supply and demand contributes highly to this. The deviation from what the normal price would be in would depend on shop location. Maybe I am missing something, but what leads you to assume empress prices are higher than they should be?

[quote=YoungRalph]I am very happy about this. I actually maintain a life outside of maple(not saying others don't) that is pretty much running all day long every day until I get a little time for maple. I have never had over 800 mil and am looking forward to getting ahold of some items that would boost my character. As you can see, I actually do spend money on nx just for the little things available for me to make mesos off of, so why shouldnt I be able to get some empress equips here and there and feel good about it. Why do the players who "have the time" or more money or whatever have to make everyone else feel like this event is somehow stealing from them, when we all know that the prices these items are usually sold for do not reflect their actual worth? Maple is full of people who get a hold of something and charge as much as they can for it when we all know its just overkill and inflation.[/quote]

-starts slow clap-

[quote=Entezio]Stupid elitists ITT: Believe that the game revolves around them and every upadate should be beneficial to them and not to new players who want to ENJOY a game that's meant to be ENJOYED.[/quote]
welllll the game shouldn't revolve around the new players either

OT: I don't have empress. I dislike untradeable equips. I can't level other characters/mules to 140 anyways so it tends to be irrelevant to me anyways. But I think this will be a good thing.

@Darkies Capitals please

[quote=David0696]If you followed the conversation, you would know that he was talking about empress gear not being a part of the casual player's equips. With the boxes dropping, they do become a part of the "casual player's" equips. The concept is that the empress set is not for the person just starting MS. It is for people who worked hard on it.[/quote]

OT: I'm going to use me as an example because it is the best example that I can give.
For months I have been killing v2 and occasionally running with other people and killed the full thing. I sell the drops. I get the mesos. The price of v2 are set by supply and demand. No one purposefully overprices them by a lot simply because there will be too many people selling for less. What this patch does is give these equips to those who normally would not be able to get them. Of course prices drop. Those whose means of making mesos are hindered. There's no way to prevent the patch but it does have negative and positive side effects. People have a right to be happy with the change as much as be irate. Personally, I will be mad because the way I've been making mesos for a while now will be insignificant.

[quote=Ouhai]The amount of butthurtedness and elitism in this thread is too much to bear.

As I've said once before, things are always changing and the world is changing. Either go with the flow or go home.

The whole argument for merchents raging about this pretty much boils down to: "What's that? You have a smart phone/laptop/tablet PC/3DTV? Back in MY DAY, we only has typewriters to use! And we had to be RICH to afford to keep a computer that takes up our living room, a colorless TV, and a telephone instead of a telegram! You kids are getting this advanced stuff GIVEN to you while we had to work harder for it! Get on my level ya damn young people!"

Seriously, all I hear is the rich wanting to justify their wealth in everyone's faces and saying how they worked harder for things and calling everyone else who aren;t at you r level noobs.

Besides, if you're so allegedly "smart enough" to work a really long time towards a fortune, what's stopping you from discovering a new way to fund yourself? Tell me, if you honestly can sit there and say "OMG I CAN'T EMPRESS AND SELL EMPRESS TO MERCH ANYMORE" and say that's your only source of income, whose REALLY the noob here if you can't adpat and find a new way to change?

It's like saying how you own a farm and decided to only plant corn for your food source. Suddenly, there's no more corn seeds or now there's a disease that kills all your corn. Are you gonna throw your arms up in the air and say "WELL I'M DONE! I CAN'T GROW CORN" and then just die? I mean what else can you do when you have a now empty FREAKIN' ARCES of land that can support OTHER CROPS.[/quote]

This was fun to read, thank you for this.

[quote=herborist]Empress gear in boxes, you buffoon.[/quote]

If you followed the conversation, you would know that he was talking about empress gear not being a part of the casual player's equips. With the boxes dropping, they do become a part of the "casual player's" equips. The concept is that the empress set is not for the person just starting MS. It is for people who worked hard on it.

@Darkies: Oh ok (sorry for late reply) no problem

[quote=bluebomber24]I personally don't see how this event hurts anybody. People who acquired Empress in the past, got thier full time use out of them and people who want to play weaker in the past get the benefit of being the late bloomers right now.

It is true that Empress is a money making machine but its not like this event is going to last forever and IMHO the only bosses worth farming is Magnus Versions and Chaos Root Abyss. It is only a matter of time before those bosses start falling consitently. Then what you will have is the "rich" (dumb naming) still killing "hard to kill" bossses and making money while the "poor" would still be doing w/e they do but with pittaly empress equips. In the meantime, Empress slowly becomes another horntail/zakum/etc that is fought for fun or for low to moderate farming.

I say let them eat cake.[/quote]

Took the words out of my mouth.

I personally don't see how this event hurts anybody. People who acquired Empress in the past, got thier full time use out of them and people who want to play weaker in the past get the benefit of being the late bloomers right now.

It is true that Empress is a money making machine but its not like this event is going to last forever and IMHO the only bosses worth farming is Magnus Versions and Chaos Root Abyss. It is only a matter of time before those bosses start falling consitently. Then what you will have is the "rich" (dumb naming) still killing "hard to kill" bossses and making money while the "poor" would still be doing w/e they do but with pittaly empress equips. In the meantime, Empress slowly becomes another horntail/zakum/etc that is fought for fun or for low to moderate farming.

I say let them eat cake.

[quote=herborist]Empress came out for those of us who care casual players.[/quote]

Imo, the Tempest Equips was for the casual players.

Imo, getting +45 wep/magic attack, 30% boss, +15%hp/mp for free is too much.
And if they do add shoulders to it, then it's +55wep/magic att, 30% boss, +30%hp/mp.

@Dartz321: I know exactly what you mean. My marksman's had a perfect xbow and 77% dex (no empress). My phantom just has full empress and 25% luk. Same level. My phantom's hillia time is 8~9 minutes. My marksman's hilia time is 11~14 minutes. People don't realize how powerful full empress is.

Did anyone else felt like they were getting yelled at the whole time LOL

@Darkies I just want to say this, as it's been bothering me every time I read it. The ones complaining about unfunded players catching up to their range are not the same "pros" that are worried about profit.

Also from what I could tell they aren't epic on reveal since max's blog showed a rare cape from the event.