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@Plenair
I wish I could disagree with you, but it's kinda true. The last days of me playing maple I tried to just enjoy myself and be a henehoe, keep in mind I did this during the death of PvP because that's what kept me coming back everyday so I tried to join in on some people that was talking about something I was familiar about, Halo. I thought I'd be cool to hop in and express my thoughts on the game but I was not welcomed apparently. But I have made many friends in PvP, I never added many of them cause we didn't need to when we would see each other in the arena almost everyday, and I saw some of them in Hene. So we talked and do some random poop(In use of a better word) and some randoms come in and if only for awhile we would have some fun with randoms. I even organized a Balrog run the day after in Hene once with randoms and my PvP pal.

Yes people are dikes that would rather have no one enters their "exclusive" circles. But the people who are open minded are there, and making friends with them is easy. Finding them is the hard part.

@Plenair: That whole post was based on my personal experience against yours, i was not telling you mine was superior to yours i was pointing out my experiences as an example that not everything goes according to what you assume it does.

@Plenair: It's fine. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if you acted this way because of what happened before, or if you have tried to talk to me personally before but I flat out ignored you. In game I'm just a hardcore afker until I'm not .-.

@Duckynater: well its more of a collective effort and there are things to gain from working as a guild ^o^

@Plenair: I never said there was anything wrong with you, the person. However, I wouldn't be surprised if someone was anti-social or if they feel shafted from previous engagements.

I never said it was easy to make friends, just that it takes effort. Friendship is a give-and-take and trust is earned. And trust online is hard to earn but it can happen. In my previous post I wasn't trying to blame the person for being anti-social. You have to sift through the good and the bad and there are good/bad people no matter where your "status" is in Maple.

I do have a lot of friends, but at the same time it's not too difficult to make them. I'm sorry the same can't be said for you. But let me assure you, NX/money is not the end all be all. While the characters on my Basil are basically decked in NX it's mainly because..I don't know -- I spent a good 6 years on and off collecting perm NX? I guess. I don't NX fund or fund in general classes I know I will ditch. I still made friends there, especially when I have to deal with PQs or events and I'm kind of anti-social.

The only thing I do agree with is that it will be hard for someone to make friends if they're more inactive than not.
All that's just me though, I don't know about other people.

We're both in Bera but you don't know me in-game nor I you. So I don't know if this is an attack towards me or if it's "people like me" but I am sorry you feel this way. It wasn't meant to be a us vs them argument.

every mmo is good the first year or two when they're not trying to devour your wallet (at least my experience)

it just falls down hill when people find ways to make the system easier and redefine it to a state that is just about getting better than the next guy

How to kill an mmo: Abandon MS and make MS2. RIP MS

Sometimes it is the game and the company handling the game that kinda kills the MMO.

However, most of the time, it is a bad community. Quite frankly, our GMS community...is one of the worst I have been with.

this game has gone to the gutters

Yeah. This game is missing its old aspects. I remember doing Ludi Pq just for the sake of it. xD Although... pre-big bang my highest level was 50, and god was it hell training at robos.
Eventually, this game will die out, and Nexon will probably release a new game in its place, just like Trickster. Old mudacrunking game that I dearly miss.

[quote=Plenair]Please can you [b]not[/b].

"Oh, it's so easy to make friends! You just don't know how to because you're anti-social and stuck up! Nothing wrong with us, it's all [b]UUUUUUU[/b]. This game is still super social and friendly, you just don't know how to! I got so many AWESOME FRIENDS, because I'm SUPER SOCIAL! You need to be more like us! US US US US -FRIGGIN NX CLONES-"

[i]This is the mindset of everyone who says "The game is what you make it"[/i].

But no seriously, it's hard for the average player to make friends because we're not pretty enough to be noticed by you people and not strong enough that you would want us near you. You think I'm lying? I've tried making friends, got ignored by most people because my avatar wasn't sparkly enough for their flamboyant bullocks, and I was too weak to join anything. So yeah, maybe you pretty NX people and super funded people can easily make friends because everyone wants you in their person, but it's hard for other people to make friends, even with each other ironically. You'd think after all the NX-clones are buddy buddy with one another, the regulars would befriend one another more, but no that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe it's that we're all hostile asswads, or maybe because we're not at the point where we play enough to socialize enough with one another, hence we don't become NX clones and super funded.

[b]MAPLESOCIOLOGY 101[/b]

[i]CLASS IS IN SESSION[/i].[/quote]

I dont know about your personal experiences but dont assume everyone goes through them if a complete noob asks me for help or to befriend them id comply its not like all my 100 slots are active my only requirement out of less funded or experienced players is to BE active which is what is most difficult to find in most new players these days, i cant blame them this game is not noob friendly anymore so theres really little reason to stay after you realize you need to spend thousands of dollars or hours to accomplish what those around you can. Another thing i dont like is players who dont help themselves ill go and help you kill a boss, but dont tell me to give you millions of hundreds of meso because im slightly better off i can kill any boss in my power and let you have off with the loot as long as you survive just dont start begging like youre a charity case, theres been multiple times ive helped others get a horntail necklace by leaving horntail one hit away from death and instructing them when to kill it. I could care less for nx clothing ( everyone has nx clothing the vast majority does anyway it is a rarity to see a player without at least one nx item on them) or for their damage as long as they are friendly and active the rest shouldnt matter.

Eh, I'd say for a game thats 11 years old (KMS), which is admittingly impressive for an MMO, its ran its course and should die eventually. I think that in GMS and similar territories, it should die in about 2-3 years due to declining interest and the recent/new content that is generally unintuitive and based around pay2win mechanics, but with KMS and its player base (plus CMS and TMS due to population and revenue), it might be able to live for a bit longer over there. That's just me though. Having played this game since beta (9 years), I wouldn't mind it dying since its about time for it to be put out to pasture anyway.

I don't really have a problem with Nexon directly. I mostly am disappointed by the community, which could have been influenced by Nexon's additions in the game, but I'll get to that later.
I like how you said that this game became more independent with how you don't need parties or any allies to get to level 200 easily. PQs originally were in common places like towns, and were great sources of Exp while being at least slightly challenging. Now Nexon made a room just for PQs. I understand their intention was to organize the game, and I appreciate that, but I believe it was one of the major steps which made Maplestory a less social game.
But, again, the common Maplestory community isn't very social. I find it extremely hard to find good and common friends on Maplestory. There are a lot of people around, so it's not due to the population. When I add people to my Guild, they always leave because I don't have Guild Potions or I'm not rich or some other stupid reason. The problem is that when I try to make social friends to have fun, hang out, and fool around with, no one I find wants to do anything like that. Most of them don't want to hang out with me because they want to grind until they're level x. Some of them are so focused on leveling and grinding that they literally never respond to chats, even invitations. If I'm lucky, I can get them to PQ or boss with me. And finally, they always quit after a surprisingly short amount of time. Even the really active ones that I get to hang out with commonly quit after 1 or 2 months, and without telling anyone. I only got one friend who I also added on Steam and plays TF2 with me sometimes. Anyway, I kind of blame Nexon for making the community too unsocial, but it's still the community's fault partially because they let themselves get caught up in these goals that won't help them as much as they think. Don't get me wrong, it's okay to try to get richer and better in the game, which is also what I do. But what I see is that everyone makes that their only objective in the game: getting a 2mil range, fighting legendary bosses, etc. They even say that's the only thing to do in the game.

So yes, this game is technically dead, as much as I hate to say it. Although, it's not that there's nothing to do, it's that there's a lot less to do than before.

[quote=OrionTempest]It is, but MS players took it to the extent that they think they NEED/HAVE to solo everything when they don't actually need to.[/quote]
I would like to first say I respect their accomplishment, but I do not appreciate that doing something of that caliber would require one to really invest a lot of money in the game. I find it to be a waste really. You pump money into your character to solo bosses, then what? After a while fighting the same boss gets boring and if you kill it once you can kill it again. That's just my opinion though.

[quote=Dorks]The game is what you make it, at least in the social aspect. You will meet your fair share of buttfaces/nice people but it's your choice to sift them out.
There was a time where I totally disconnected from my old Maple friends. I always made friends regardless.

As for the guild aspect, the one I am currently in a group of friends and maybe their friends with a skype group. So as for guild, it's also what you make of it.[/quote]
Agreed, people are people. I can't say much about Maple right now but making friends is easy in general, all you need is a reason to make friends. The reasons may have been lowered but I feel not many people would turn down a friendly person asking if they need help.

[quote=OrionTempest]It is, but MS players took it to the extent that they think they NEED/HAVE to solo everything when they don't actually need to.[/quote]

Exactly. Just like they made levelling easier and removed all of the job advancement quests to make it easier. I was really looking forward to working for all my skills when 4th Job came, but all of those quests were removed. I still had fun getting Hero's Will [i]while I could[/i].

The game is what you make it, at least in the social aspect. You will meet your fair share of buttfaces/nice people but it's your choice to sift them out.
There was a time where I totally disconnected from my old Maple friends. I always made friends regardless.

As for the guild aspect, the one I am currently in a group of friends and maybe their friends with a skype group. So as for guild, it's also what you make of it.

[quote=Duckynater]That's the same mindset in all games right? To get better?[/quote]

It is, but MS players took it to the extent that they think they NEED/HAVE to solo everything when they don't actually need to.

how to kill an mmo: Making most items untradable. Nexon for you!

I made no friends playing this game, forever alone

@royalrin
I never jumped back to see the new guild system in action. To me a guild wasn't special, it was the people I joined it with that was. What changes did they make to it?

@SasoriBankai @Firestone160
My thoughts exactly.

[quote=alanliuis]1. If nexon killed MMO, why is there a party system in this game?[/quote]
Can't tell if you are joking

[quote=SasoriBankai]I have said this far to often. It has nothing to do with how fast we train that killed the games enjoyment factor.
It is the fact that you can do so many things solo that partying up can a lot of the time just slow you down.
Back then you had that thief for haste, but now almost everyone just flash jumps to glory. Lots of classes
seem to have a way to heal pretty well that a bishop isnt needed for much more then Holy Symbol or Door
service. Oh wait, Phantom classes can just do that on there own or for a party with no need of that Bishop
for even that... Rage. Who needs that when every class seems to have a version of it for themselves? It is
all the things added together as said in the OP that took what was great and slowly choked it to a crawl.

(With that all said, I still find enjoyment in the game with my friends. It may not be the exact same, but
if I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't play. So even though it might not have the same effect that it once had,
it is still as fun as you let it be.)

MS2 Might start strong, then slowly have the same things happen. Who knows.[/quote]
Nexon "balanced" the classes, but in reality they just made all classes the same.

[quote=alanliuis]1. If nexon killed MMO, why is there a party system in this game?
2. Many people want to reach 200 to be know as "strong" or whatever, and self funding themselves is basically the same mindset.
3. i hate to say this, but you are a stereotypical player.
4. This is a 9 year old game (11 for KMS). Expect something to die out naturally.[/quote]

1. It was a bit dramatic, but like I said [b]in the thread[/b] 'I in theory could reach lvl 200 in a month or less without typing more than "Looking for party."'
2. That's the same mindset in all games right? To get better? Look I never said reaching max lvl was bad, it's just now you require no need for others help to reach it. Which isn't bad but I just expressed that because I hope we would be required in Maplestory 2 to lvl effectively. All this I said [b]in the thread[/b].
3. I don't mind saying this, but I don't mind if you think me like that. I would just like to know your definition of a "stereotypical player"
4. This game is old, I am not asking this game to change I am expressing my hopes for Maplestory 2, like I said [b]in the thread[/b].

Of all the things things that could have been answered by reading my thread makes me wonder if you took the time to read all of it before responding.

I have said this far to often. It has nothing to do with how fast we train that killed the games enjoyment factor.
It is the fact that you can do so many things solo that partying up can a lot of the time just slow you down.
Back then you had that thief for haste, but now almost everyone just flash jumps to glory. Lots of classes
seem to have a way to heal pretty well that a bishop isnt needed for much more then Holy Symbol or Door
service. Oh wait, Phantom classes can just do that on there own or for a party with no need of that Bishop
for even that... Rage. Who needs that when every class seems to have a version of it for themselves? It is
all the things added together as said in the OP that took what was great and slowly choked it to a crawl.

(With that all said, I still find enjoyment in the game with my friends. It may not be the exact same, but
if I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't play. So even though it might not have the same effect that it once had,
it is still as fun as you let it be.)

MS2 Might start strong, then slowly have the same things happen. Who knows.

How to kill an MMO, make it one player.

i think the whole guild race aspect is nice though, it gives a little something to hold onto together

1. If nexon killed MMO, why is there a party system in this game?
2. Many people want to reach 200 to be know as "strong" or whatever, and self funding themselves is basically the same mindset.
3. i hate to say this, but you are a stereotypical player.
4. This is a 9 year old game (11 for KMS). Expect something to die out naturally.

[quote=OneLife]how to kill an mmo: hire a team of dumbass people at nexon america[/quote]
To be fair most of the stuff they did was just copy and paste off what the Korean's Nexon did at least to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong.

how to kill an mmo: hire a team of dumbass people at nexon america