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[quote=triiggerhappy]Yet it is alright for people to bash on religion, other races, sex orientation, etc? Please give me a break. If you are mad at this then you got to be mad at others for bashing other things as well. If not you are hypocrite.[/quote]

hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Being mad about one thing and not being mad about a different thing is not being a hypocrite.

It would be hypocritical for her to be mad about you calling them Chinese gold farmers, and then calling them Chinese gold farmers herself.
It would not be hypocritical for her to be mad about you calling them Chinese gold farmers, and not be mad about people bashing on religion.

I myself dislike it when people make sexist remarks, that doesn't mean that I must dislike it when people bash African Americans.

@triiggerhappy: hmm? I correct people all the time, not just in an argument to divert attention.

[quote=CrimsonOcean]@triiggerhappy: I never said that I wasn't mad at those type of stuff too...But the subject right now is why people get offended when someone says "Chinese Meso Farmer".

p.s. it's hypocritical*

[/quote]

lmao! Why do people always have to resort to the grammar nazi tactic. Be original for once.

There was a thread about South American meso farmers, completely different response. No bias here.

I wouldn't really take it as racism, but, what's the point in mentioning "chinese". Just call them meso farmers..
And your also segregating and making chinese people look poor/cheap, etc.

@triiggerhappy: I never said that I wasn't mad at those type of stuff too...But the subject right now is why people get offended when someone says "Chinese Meso Farmer".

p.s. it's hypocritical*

@Fungusbrain: Yeah, tons of these arguments have popped up on basil. How do you still not know the reason why people can get offended? -____-

[quote=KnightTale]Too tired and mature to bother arguing with a child [b]who got hacked[/b] and [b]wants to potentially vent his or her anger out on a generic group of "baddies", because he or she wants to believe that she is a victim of the situation[/b]. In which it is ironic, because most of these botters are botters, and typically most hackers who hack accounts are [b]North American hackers who could come from any ethnic heritage[/b].

Her Q.Q Thread about being hacked: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2671199/2/43971254Just_got_hacked_qq.html#43971254

OT: No clue most people generalize them as Chinese Botters, which is also funny because how would they know? Apparently some people clearly [b]buys[/b] from Chinese botters that violates the ToS...[/quote]
I don't see why you're attacking me when I had absolutely nothing to do with anything (just wanted to raise an argument that has been brought up time and time again). I've already QQed enough to my guild mates, my alliance mates and other places everywhere. Don't need any more of that. Who are you and why are you attacking me?

[quote=ClassOf12]
A racist statement would be "All Chinese people are gold farmers", not "All gold farmers are Chinese".

[/quote]

This.

@KnightTale: Woah. You definitely misconstrued what I said. I'm sorry if I wasn't careful enough with my words. I said "the Asians who are insulted". I did NOT say that all Asians are hypocritical. I further specified that I was talking about the Asian people ON basilmarket WHO are insultued and WHO ALSO have previously engaged in making racist comments. That's a really specific group of people. And I don't think that all Asians are racist towards black people at all. I'm really sorry if that's what you took from comments. I could have said things a bit more eloquently. I apologize.

To reiterate:
-I don't think all Asians are racist against black people.
-I don't think all Asians are hypocritical.
-I am not prejudice against Asians. I was specifically addressing only the particular people who make racist comments on basil or in MapleStory (which happens frequently) who happen to be Asian as well. I understand that my view of this specific group of individuals may not reflect the beliefs of all Asians in the world.

There are people who happen to be Asian who are less sensitive to racism against black people.
There are people who happen to be Asian who may get offended by a racist joke that targets Asians, but then those same people may be comfortable making racist jokes about other groups. Those specific people are being hypocritical in that instance.

[quote=CrimsonOcean]people just SAY that they're chinese w/o any real proof. sure, some might be Chinese buuuut that doesnt mean the majority is :O people should say " blah blah meso farmer blah blah" not " blah blah CHINESE meso farmer blah blah" Then no one will get offended. Also cause gold farming is a pretty low job and immediately saying that this type of people participate in it is pretty offensive. NOW STAHP MAKIN THESE THREADS ASDFGHJKL;'[/quote]

Yet it is alright for people to bash on religion, other races, sex orientation, etc? Please give me a break. If you are mad at this then you got to be mad at others for bashing other things as well. If not you are hypocrite.

people just SAY that they're chinese w/o any real proof. sure, some might be Chinese buuuut that doesnt mean the majority is :O people should say " blah blah meso farmer blah blah" not " blah blah CHINESE meso farmer blah blah" Then no one will get offended. Also cause gold farming is a pretty low job and immediately saying that this type of people participate in it is pretty offensive. NOW STAHP MAKIN THESE THREADS ASDFGHJKL;'

It's questionable whether the Basilmarket community has the slightest notion of what 'racist' or [i]being[/i] a 'racist' even means; all I see is people using the term incorrectly and under erroneous context, so let me learn you a thing or two, folks.

The very definition of racist is:
[b]1. (n.) a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.[/b]
[b]2. (adj.) of or like racists or racism: racist policies; racist attitudes.[/b]

Now, with that cleared up, it's one thing to generalize that the Chinese populace is composed of meso farmers, but it's another to claim that all meso farmers are Chinese, as aforementioned by @ClassOf2012. Note that one of these terms can be considered as racist while the other is merely an observation.

[quote=Anodic]Because it is racist...
There are meso farmers of all races so it is [b]ignorant[/b] to call them all Chinese.
Honestly, if you're under 15 I understand. At that age people think they are always right and don't seem to see the other side of things.[/quote]

Well, if I would get mad at everything that irritated me , I would probably be the most hated person on Earth. Oh, you forgot to capitalize a letter? Let me call you an idiot and proceed on saying that you're the worst human being on Earth.

We call them Chinese meso farmers because that's where it started. I don't get mad when you call those Mcdonald's fries French fries. Let me tell you how racist you are by calling those fries French fries instead of normal fries.

All farmers are chinese.
All meso farmers are farmers.
Therefore, all meso farmers are chinese.

[quote=KnightTale]@Ecoutie sure there are Asians that uses racial slurs and comments about black people, but I'm sure it also works vice versa... In all hindsight the issue of stereotyping + racism will always exist as long as there are differences in skin tone etc. If we were the same skin type and had all the same genetic make up we wouldn't be here arguing about race. Instead we would be creating a conflict about who is smarter or who is not smarter etc.

Conflicts will always exist[/quote]

Yes, racism goes both ways. It's not always the majority to the minority. I understand that. [b]Conflict will always exist[/b] - but this statement alone does not have to suggest we do nothing about it. In and of itself, that statement is just an ignorant person's excuse to not challenge conflict. We grow and become more open minded by trying to see things from other perspectives. Not by always assuming the default is correct.

I will always encourage critical thinking over submitting to social/psychological conditioning. Those who are worthy of being considered truly intelligent will most likely be up to the task.

I hope that the Asians who are insulted by these statements think twice in the future about using racial slurs and making racists comments about black people. It happens almost daily on basil and in my guild/alliance on maplestory. So hypocritical.

Edit: Also, for those of you who keep spouting "it's a fact"... GET OVER YOURSELF PLEASE. It can be completely factually accurate and still be construed as racist. Be a bit more sensitive with how you talk to others. You won't like it when you're backed into a corner and made to feel judged.

Like I said in the other thread, in a lot of large MMOs there are tons of Chinese gold/currency farmers that work for those Gold selling websites.
I think when you mention any Asian race in a negative light you strike a nerve with the Asian majority of this website.

Honestly, this is just showing how big of a hypocrite some of these people are. I have seen many threads in the chat section mocking blacks, hispanics, and other races, but so much as dare mention something bad about Asians it's the end of the world.

Edit: Apparently a lot of people are mainly mad because saying that Chinese are so poor they have to farm for mesos is offensive. Welcome to the shining light of intelligence known as Basilmarket everyone.

[quote=iMerchU]Chinese meso farmers are not being labeled as "poor". They are labeled as "Chinese meso farmers". Any stigma that comes with the term is from your own conjecture.
They may be also labeled as "Meso Farmers", but even that term would probably fester stigma from most users on this site.[/quote]

Where did you get poor from? I wasn't talking about mesos farmers I was talking about why people are angry about the usage of the term Chinese mesos farmers. Being Chinese is irrelevant to being a mesos farmer that is what I want to make clear. Its irrelevance angers those that are Chinese because they are being placed in that category of mesos farmers or poor based on that irrelevance. Perhaps they are Chinese but nonetheless we don't know who it really is behind the computer screen and it is unfair to label all mesos farmers we see as being Chinese. It's all diction maybe it was an innocent misunderstanding but ignorance is no excuse for not attempting to learn from a mistake.

The hypocrites in this thread have their cracks showing.
I'm positive many of you have gotten e-mail scams and the like and have not hesitated to think "Those tricky African e-mail scammers are at it again."
When on the other hand you get upset about Chinese Gold Farmers being called what they really are.
Nigerian scamming is a term for a reason. It is not the Russians or the Aztecs primarily running such an operation; it is the Nigerian.
Just as Chinese Gold Farmer is a term because they have made a name for themselves by employing full time workers for this field.
Stop getting upset over the truth and concluding that everyone who uses a nationality in their text is a slanderer or a racist.

[quote=FishyNoob]This its just this. Don't make it so complicated you guys. Isn't it natural that people dont want to be stigmatized and labeled as something they're not?[/quote]

Chinese meso farmers are not being labeled as "poor". They are labeled as "Chinese meso farmers". Any stigma that comes with the term is from your own conjecture.
They may be also labeled as "Meso Farmers", but even that term would probably fester stigma from most users on this site.

[quote=SadStory]A HURRRRR i em chonois pls u racerst bcuz e stareyotype.[/quote]

The only thing offensive here is your IGN...

[quote=Miauri]Because it's irrelevant that they are chinese[/quote]

This its just this. Don't make it so complicated you guys. Isn't it natural that people dont want to be stigmatized and labeled as something they're not?

It's probably the fact that most Basil users are Asian and some take it as an insult. Since the majority of the users are Asian you will see more people complaining about something like this, yet most of the time when it is something about another race, those same people will not care at all, since others are the minority I would guess. There is no reason to be offended because it doesn't apply to them as a person unless they're actually meso farmers and also because it is indeed a fact that most meso farmers are Chinese, but then again there is no reason to say specifically they are Chinese because it is irrelevant and unnecessary.

I assume it's because "Azn Pride" is such a big thing, so the minute someone insults chinese people with a well-known generalization, they get their panties bunched up and start CapsLocking their hate for the white devil. There's proof that Chinese Meso Farmers are real, why are you fems making it a hatecrime to talk about them?

[quote=Anodic]Argument doesn't matter, just realized I was more than likely baited by a troll =( Darn this site![/quote]

Nice try, but none of the people you may be talking about (OP or the 2 people who quoted you) are trolling.
1. OP asked a question that was genuine. Virtually any thread on Basilmarket is suspect to argument and it just so happens that this question caused just that. Is it someone's fault for asking a question about race/culture/stereotypes? Personally, no. Maybe you believe otherwise, but this still isn't trolling.
2. "you sound like you're 12 and you just watched an anti-racism video. Most meso farmers ARE chinese, so it is not ignorant. Also, saying someone is Chinese is not racist. That's like telling a white person they're white and saying that's racist."
I see only facts. You do come off that way (although I admit you're probably like 16). Also, most mesos farmers are chinese and this is supported by the fact that the botting programs is almost completely exclusive to China (developed by someone in China). The only possible flaw is the last sentence but that is still not trolling, just ignorance.
3. "No it isn't.
A racist statement would be "All Chinese people are gold farmers", not "All gold farmers are Chinese"."
This is kinda objective on what someone considers racism to be, but then again any racist comment is technically objective. I don't find it racist if someone asks me if I eat dog because I'm Korean because it's true that most older generations did eat a type of dog. It's a bit crude to ask and they probably did mean to offend, but it's kids being kids.

It seems like you're just calling them trolls to find an easy way out of this argument while saving face. You realize that there is no way to win this argument as, like I said earlier, racism is pretty objective and therefore there is no black and white answer. Because of this, you're putting the blame on other people who tried to contribute -- that is what annoys me.

Is it really necessary to add in the word chinese?
Either you are socially inept or just downright retarded

First of all, how the hell do you know 99% is Chinese? Anyone did a test or something and some volounteer hackers joined freely?
Second of all, yes it is racist.
Third, Im not Chinese nor Asian.

ummm asians =/= chinese =/= people from china. yeah, the people from china are chinese, but not all chinese people are from china. having said that, most mesos farmers are from china. even msea mesos farmers are from china too. and yeah we still make fun of them. why not? if you haven't seen this before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFKF_r-T08 go watch it. it's hilarious.

[quote=Anodic]So saying all n**gas are black is not racist?
Please people, get your heads out of your... well you know.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
Back to logical fallacies where you assume that meso farmers are chinese. Also that it isn't racist to say something about someone when its true. And so calling chinese meso farmers chinese is now not racist.
Its bad logic.
And btw calling ***gas black is also racist.

Feel free to keep the argument going.[/quote]

Please stop trying to use your Highschool AP Lang class to try and teach people stuff when your own posts have plenty of logical fallacies as well.
Even if something is racist doesn't mean it isn't true; the OP simply wanted to know WHY people get offended? If it's racist and that offends people, just say that.

Also, I believe it's pretty important to know about some racist things. The statement that most African-Americans are unintelligent is a bit crude, but it gives reason for analysis. Possibly (actually, IMO most likely) the African-American people are like that because of slavery? Or because their continent has been the source of European/American exploit for ages now?
Perhaps the fact that there are Chinese Mesos Farmers shows the state of the Chinese economy or how people there are desperate for jobs? One can gather some insight from the fact that there are Chinese Mesos Farmers.
The truth ain't pretty but we should still know it.

@fg789 Not really-- Not all Chinese Mesos Bots have light skin tones. It's generally the default look that came upon creation.

Because it's irrelevant that they are chinese

[quote=chunchild239]I've never seen/witnessed anyone getting mad over this but I'm guessing it's by coincidence: Chinese + Farm
Although those are both probably correct terms (as you said most of them ARE Chinese and the term Farming means grinding for items).
It's kinda like if instead of calling a character a mule, we called them a slave.
African Slave Characters. Sounds a bit rude.[/quote]

Wouldn't everyone have to make all their mules black for this ?

[quote=ClassOf12]http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2656528/1#comments_list
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2663217/1#comments_list

Fairly sure OP is talking about these two threads.[/quote]

Well, at first I'd assume that it's just people on the internet.
But just looking at it now, I'd just say it's a typical Chinese (it's probably safe to say Asian) response to something. Chinese people (Asians) are proud by nature and take offense pretty easily. I mean, Mesos Farming is a pretty demeaning job if you think about it although an easy one.

I'm Asian but have been raised in America my entire life so I have been able to mingle with both crowds and observe Asians from an outside view. One thing I noticed is that Asians are really quick to make jokes about others but they quickly take offense when they're the butt of the joke.

[quote=Anodic]Because it is racist...[/quote]

No it isn't.
A racist statement would be "All Chinese people are gold farmers", not "All gold farmers are Chinese".

[quote=Anodic]Show me some legit statistics. What you BELIEVE is not what is true. [/quote]

Why would there be 'legit' statistics for an illegal activity?

[quote=chunchild239]I've never seen/witnessed anyone getting mad over this[/quote]

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2656528/1#comments_list
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2663217/1#comments_list

Fairly sure OP is talking about these two threads.

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[quote=fungusbrain]99% of them are Chinese, yet people are somehow mad at this term calling it racist. I do not understand why.[/quote]

the truth harts its a known fact

I've never seen/witnessed anyone getting mad over this but I'm guessing it's by coincidence: Chinese + Farm
Although those are both probably correct terms (as you said most of them ARE Chinese and the term Farming means grinding for items).
It's kinda like if instead of calling a character a mule, we called them a slave.
African Slave Characters. Sounds a bit rude.

Most of them get irked when you say it without showing proof, even though they can look it up in 5 secs.

It's probably just Basilers being pedantic, so don't worry about it.

Because this is the internet.