Adventurer Mages In the long run
Many people might have already made threads like this but mine is a bit different since I'm not asking what's the all around best class so please take into consideration in reading my thread.
Ok so you guys would surely know about the free job adv. coin being given as gifts. That being said, I ended up using mine to change my bishop to a f/p, and here's my question...in the long run which type of mage would be on top in gaining exp in high level places by soloing?
And just throwing this in for more knowledge, is there another way of receiving or getting the coin for free? I know you can use mesos to change jobs but I'm currently dirt poor so...yeah.
June 27, 2015
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@lllllllllllllil: wasn't that what I initially posted? that Bishes will kill faster? my last sentence was even IF FP was faster, HS will likely counterbalance and overturn that, making Bish better still
and this thread was never discussing cap dmg, especially since it's implied OP can't cap. and I/L will be capping with CL way before F/P can cap with Paralyze and that, at the very least, is more relevant to OP. even that is going off-topic though since OP was only asking F/P vs Bishop in TRAINING
@goxds The extra HPS from inferno aura/ignite pretty much makes up for the speed difference between CL and paralyze, 21m dot is also not that far off when you are capping with paralyze.
[quote=goxds]@lllllllllllllil: CL is faster? about 4.3% faster? so Paralyze DoT needs more than 21m to break even. plus LO burst dmg with the patch? and the initial question was faster at training? so DPS doesn't mean [i]that[/i] much? but Paralyze is the slowest of the 3 mobbing attacks of the 3 mages? and this thread is 3 weeks old?[/quote]
if you are talking about training both i/l and f/p are rubbish you go bishop. If you have any decent amount of range you can 1 shot in sdh. How do I know this? Because I run a sdh 2 man party with kanna outside every weekend and it is better then both.
On to F/P vs. I/L.... once you cap with paralyze f/p is far superior to i/l in almost every boss.
@lllllllllllllil: CL is faster? about 4.3% faster? so Paralyze DoT needs more than 21m to break even. plus LO burst dmg with the patch? and the initial question was faster at training? so DPS doesn't mean [i]that[/i] much? but Paralyze is the slowest of the 3 mobbing attacks of the 3 mages? and this thread is 3 weeks old?
[quote=GoXDS]F/P only outdmgs Bishops by a considerable margin with Mist Eruption. but mobs generally die in only a few hits. in the time it takes for a F/P do do ME, Bish might also be done with mobs. but yea, at the very least, HS boost (especially with Hyper) is still more than what F/P can gain, even if F/P does kill a little faster[/quote]
not sure if you know this but when f/p starts capping with paralyze it destroys i/l and bishop in terms of dmg output
[quote=nc4228]Any class with enough funds will be able to do enough to efficiently kill mobs.[/quote]
Well I'm always that poor player in MMORPGs so yeah...anyway thanks for the tip.
[quote=Helquin]Thanks for the answer guys , I think I'll be going with Bishop then.
@ArchM0onL I was reluctant with bishop since they're low on damage and I was worried if that would affect exp efficiency, so I ended up here to clear my mind.[/quote]
Any class with enough funds will be able to do enough to efficiently kill mobs.
[quote=Kuraitou]Worth noting reinforce hypers are multiplicative, so it's actually 261*1.2*7 = 2192%[/quote]
Worth noting reinforce hypers count as a source of Total Damage% for that skill only, making it stack additively with other sources of TD% or Boss%.
[quote=Spearlipe]If we take Reinforce and Extra Strike (since Cripple is kinda ignorable), it becomes 7x 281%. That adds up to a nice 1967%.[/quote]
Worth noting reinforce hypers are multiplicative, so it's actually 261*1.2*7 = 2192%
@Draception: Well I figured the funding part was irrelevant, as OP said they're dirt poor. So I made a general statement.
But I also didn't know this, so thanks.
[quote=bleachedguy]F/p best bosser
I/l best mobber me thinks
Bishop decent in both.
Coin is only from events as far as I know[/quote]
I/L is not best mobber.
F/p is not always best bosser.
I/L is better at dojo & cvell.
F/p dishes high damage output with low funds.
Higher funding = i/L better
Lower funding = f/p better
[quote=Spearlipe]As a FP myself, you should consider a lot more than just having HS. I mean it's an absolutely amazing buff when levelling, but honestly, I find Angel Ray to be somewhat underwhelming. You shoot straight ahead of you for 6 enemies hit and 4x 365% (total 1460%) at max level, no questions asked, though the heal might be a bit useful in potion management but you'll be losing more mp than hp anyway. We FP kinda have that too with Paralyze, attacking in front of us for 6x 261%(total 1566%) at max level, plus paralyzing mob for easier mob control and dealing a small amount of DOT while at it. Honestly if we left it at just that they'd be about the same, however FPs have hyper skills to boost Paralyze. If we take Reinforce and Extra Strike (since Cripple is kinda ignorable), it becomes 7x 281%. That adds up to a nice 1967%. That's a little less than one third stronger than max Angel Ray. AND THAT'S JUST PARALYZE.
We also have Mist Eruption, which makes mob control that much easier since we can easily attack platforms above and below us if we set up the mist before. AND THAT SKILL RECEIVES HYPERS TO BOOST IT UP, TOO! "But setting up mist takes a while and is slower overall than just straight up killing" I'd agree with you there, if it weren't for the fact that the mist lasts 40 seconds at max, AND POISON MIST ALSO GETS HYPER SKILLS TO BOOST! OOOH!
Everything I've said up til now is supposed to make FPs seem better than Bishops at one thing: killing. Because quite honestly, we are. However, if you are going to hunt in a party, Bishops are infinitely better, no questions asked at all. HS and Blessing alone makes Bishops better at parties than FPs, in fact you don't even need to attack, just hang onto a rope and autobuff and you'll be receiving more EXP than FPs can ever hope to achieve. But, if you are going to play solo, I absolutely recommend FPs. We're stronger and faster, also more efficient killers.
idk bout ILs tho dun play dem[/quote]
Killing is not a problem at all, if you can't one hit in SDH, leeching is better. And leeching is bishop's specialty.
Once you can one hit, 70% extra exp on HS and the range of Angel Ray outperform F/P by far.
But true, at low range F/P is probably better in soloing w/ ME
As a FP myself, you should consider a lot more than just having HS. I mean it's an absolutely amazing buff when levelling, but honestly, I find Angel Ray to be somewhat underwhelming. You shoot straight ahead of you for 6 enemies hit and 4x 365% (total 1460%) at max level, no questions asked, though the heal might be a bit useful in potion management but you'll be losing more mp than hp anyway. We FP kinda have that too with Paralyze, attacking in front of us for 6x 261%(total 1566%) at max level, plus paralyzing mob for easier mob control and dealing a small amount of DOT while at it. Honestly if we left it at just that they'd be about the same, however FPs have hyper skills to boost Paralyze. If we take Reinforce and Extra Strike (since Cripple is kinda ignorable), it becomes 7x 281%. That adds up to a nice 1967%. That's a little less than one third stronger than max Angel Ray. AND THAT'S JUST PARALYZE.
We also have Mist Eruption, which makes mob control that much easier since we can easily attack platforms above and below us if we set up the mist before. AND THAT SKILL RECEIVES HYPERS TO BOOST IT UP, TOO! "But setting up mist takes a while and is slower overall than just straight up killing" I'd agree with you there, if it weren't for the fact that the mist lasts 40 seconds at max, AND POISON MIST ALSO GETS HYPER SKILLS TO BOOST! OOOH!
Everything I've said up til now is supposed to make FPs seem better than Bishops at one thing: killing. Because quite honestly, we are. However, if you are going to hunt in a party, Bishops are infinitely better, no questions asked at all. HS and Blessing alone makes Bishops better at parties than FPs, in fact you don't even need to attack, just hang onto a rope and autobuff and you'll be receiving more EXP than FPs can ever hope to achieve. But, if you are going to play solo, I absolutely recommend FPs. We're stronger and faster, also more efficient killers.
idk bout ILs tho dun play dem
[quote=Helquin]Thanks for the answer guys , I think I'll be going with Bishop then.
@ArchM0onL I was reluctant with bishop since they're low on damage and I was worried if that would affect exp efficiency, so I ended up here to clear my mind.[/quote]
F/P only outdmgs Bishops by a considerable margin with Mist Eruption. but mobs generally die in only a few hits. in the time it takes for a F/P do do ME, Bish might also be done with mobs. but yea, at the very least, HS boost (especially with Hyper) is still more than what F/P can gain, even if F/P does kill a little faster
Thanks for the answer guys , I think I'll be going with Bishop then.
@ArchM0onL I was reluctant with bishop since they're low on damage and I was worried if that would affect exp efficiency, so I ended up here to clear my mind.
[quote=ArchM0onL]Bishop has HS... is there any question?[/quote]
Angel ray's range is good in SDH/FDH
[quote=Helquin]in the long run which type of mage would be on top in gaining exp in high level places by soloing?[/quote]
Bishop has HS... is there any question?
F/p best bosser
I/l best mobber me thinks
Bishop decent in both.
Coin is only from events as far as I know