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[quote=xkillo32]@InspektaJuice: not really
aran had the concept of using a skill after a skill for each job advancement[/quote]

Ohhhh yeeeeeah, you right you right. Well I guess that's the way of the world. They take one familiar concept and make it better

@InspektaJuice: not really
aran had the concept of using a skill after a skill for each job advancement

[quote=laurico]It actually originated from Aran, which had to use OS before Final Blow. The blow+finisher combo that BaM had was just a copy of the Aran one.[/quote]

And aran is simply a copy of the old combo moves in ancient games like doubledragon and so on Copy of an imitation...thats all maple is

[quote=InspektaJuice]If anything the idea originated from BaMs' being able to only use The finisher AFTER using finishing blow. Just Saying! [/quote]

It actually originated from Aran, which had to use OS before Final Blow. The blow+finisher combo that BaM had was just a copy of the Aran one.

[quote=xkillo32]@Asiangang555
and that u have to use this skill after u use a certain 4th job skill[/quote]

If anything the idea originated from BaMs' being able to only use The finisher AFTER using finishing blow. Just Saying!

@Asiangang555
and that u have to use this skill after u use a certain 4th job skill

[quote=AckarRed]I know, but yours is less of a hindrance.[/quote]

Well it doesnt really matter much Nothing about maplestory is very unique ^^

[quote=sacro84]Dont think that qualifies Its kinda like saying Warriors physical attacked first [/quote]

I know, but yours is less of a hindrance.

[quote=AckarRed]Beyond Blade. Works the same way as Sweeping Staff, only we have to use it three times.[/quote]

Dont think that qualifies Its kinda like saying Warriors physical attacked first

[quote=sacro84]What skill? o.0[/quote]

Beyond Blade. Works the same way as Sweeping Staff, only we have to use it three times.

[quote=AckarRed]Cool seeing that we had that skill before BaMs.[/quote]

What skill? o.0

[quote=InspektaJuice]Never said I didn't miss it I just miss the mobile twister spin more. But yeah I feel what you're saying, The finisher was a great move with it's beast horizontal range and damage. It really gave the BaM gameplay a unique feel. But nonetheless BaMs are still great IMO.[/quote]

Cool seeing that we had that skill before BaMs.

that's awesome~

@rubiksmaster123: The only reason everyone and their mother saids BaMs are so repetitive is because of the fact that our blow skills don't really change much throughout jobs 1 thru 4 and yeah at first I was disappointed at this but now I have no problem with it. We have way more other things that make up for this, high hp, BATTLE RAGE, decent dodge, a drain skill, high def, THE best party buffs in the game period. Battle King Bar's insane vertical range and damage with no cooldown ... like there is so much about BaMs that IMO make them such a perfect class.

@InspektaJuice: Well then, having finisher would make battle mages less repetitive.

[quote=ClericBoyZ15]Of course you're not going to miss "The Finisher", given the fact that you're
already past 170. I utilize Dark Shock and Twister Spin too, but it just doesn't
feel the same...[/quote]

Never said I didn't miss it I just miss the mobile twister spin more. But yeah I feel what you're saying, The finisher was a great move with it's beast horizontal range and damage. It really gave the BaM gameplay a unique feel. But nonetheless BaMs are still great IMO.

[quote=rubiksmaster123]I agree with you.[/quote]

Lol, you guys act as if every other class isn't as repetitive, Till this day I still use dark shock and twister spin. Even tele casting on a BaM is advised. This new gameplay fits perfect with us. I miss mobile twister spin more than the finisher anyways!

[quote=ClericBoyZ15]"Different strokes for different folks"

I personally saw nothing appealing about that gameplay. You're basically still
gathering all the enemies into one spot, so you can spam Finishing Blow all day
(until the enemies dies). *Rinse and repeat*

I wish Nexon did not remove "The Finisher", because getting to level 170 (just
to get a finisher that I've been lusting ever since its removal) is simply too far away...[/quote]

I agree with you.

[quote=sacro84]What makes you so sure 5th job is coming? And why do you think this will be about new skills in the first place?

The way things are now, nexon is still balancing out 4th job. For all we know 5th is simply a bunch of enhancements like Hyperskills only with even more to raise. Or what if 5th job isnt really coming at all? What if it was just a media stunt? What if that V was something that isnt really job related at all?

Everything about 5th job is speculations, so why treat it like some future divine plan

When it comes to these changes, this puts us back where we belong. We get a rush skill, skills changed to toggle and passive instead of annoying skills you cast only when you need them, and we get our old Body Boost back which is how it should be.

End result: Battle Mage dominate the mid tier of dmg tables and probably becomes the most desired support/partner at any boss [/quote]

I forget where I read it, but an actual GM from KMS confirmed that every class with be getting 5th job(You should look it up) and why wouldn't a multi BILLION dollar company not try and further enhance its own goldmine game in such a way. All I'm saying is nobody expected lvl 250 cap and it only makes sense that a new job was in the making. But if I'm wrong and no 5th job comes then so be it, I love my BaM regardless .

Edit: [url=] http://spadow.wordpress.com/tag/5th-job-advancement/ [/url] Ahh, Here you go

@candente Yeah I knew 85 may have sounded a bit too much, but I do recall BaMs having or were suppose to have 80%, back when BB had its max lvl 20, it was 20% for aya, 20% passive from aya (which took ages for it to work from what I heard) then bb would give you and xtra 40% since BB would stack with aura effects and that would total 80%.

[quote=InspektaJuice]Ok so in terms of our new Big Crunch Aura (BCA) Its not a 30x boost, its 30%. Some BaM from KMS concluded that [i]ADA is 25% of the Matt added, ADA+BB =60% and BC = 75%[/i]. So I'm guessing we will receive 75% dmg from ADA, possibly 85% dodge and +3 atk spd from AYA, and I have no clue on what we get from ABA. Nothing is set in stone yet. If anything we need to wait for this patch to hit the real servers before making assumptions.

@wizardq Wait till 5th job, then make your "unnecessary buff" statements. A lot more buffing up is yet to be done [/quote]

What makes you so sure 5th job is coming? And why do you think this will be about new skills in the first place?

The way things are now, nexon is still balancing out 4th job. For all we know 5th is simply a bunch of enhancements like Hyperskills only with even more to raise. Or what if 5th job isnt really coming at all? What if it was just a media stunt? What if that V was something that isnt really job related at all?

Everything about 5th job is speculations, so why treat it like some future divine plan

When it comes to these changes, this puts us back where we belong. We get a rush skill, skills changed to toggle and passive instead of annoying skills you cast only when you need them, and we get our old Body Boost back which is how it should be.

End result: Battle Mage dominate the mid tier of dmg tables and probably becomes the most desired support/partner at any boss

woah, just the noticed Max's update on the effects of Big Crunch. 3x aye...talk about the new definition of [b]"party support" [/b] --> 75% Dmg Boost! <3
well, of course there is still the shortfall that you have to be literally [b]next to [/b] the BaM..

Ok so in terms of our new Big Crunch Aura (BCA) Its not a 30x boost, its 30%. Some BaM from KMS concluded that [i]ADA is 25% of the Matt added, ADA+BB =60% and BC = 75%[/i]. So I'm guessing we will receive 75% dmg from ADA, possibly 85% dodge and +3 atk spd from AYA, and I have no clue on what we get from ABA. Nothing is set in stone yet. If anything we need to wait for this patch to hit the real servers before making assumptions.

@wizardq Wait till 5th job, then make your "unnecessary buff" statements. A lot more buffing up is yet to be done

Unnecessary buff is unnecessary.

I literally chocked a little...did that just say 30x? ...that just made us OP' level 9000

[quote=4lorn1]How will attack speed work out with this? In the video it looks as if he's attacking faster than we are right now so does that mean an Estaff isn't necessary? Would fafnirs reach the fastest attack speed after this?[/quote]

He should be getting -6 attack speed. -3 from crunch aura, -1 from booster and -2 from aya. Fafnirs should be able to reach speed cap yes. Which is basically -1 on attack speed compared to right now.

How will attack speed work out with this? In the video it looks as if he's attacking faster than we are right now so does that mean an Estaff isn't necessary? Would fafnirs reach the fastest attack speed after this?

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 i cant wait to get this nexon you've done well for once

[quote=candente]The 30x is a description typo and actually means 3x.

It means that the effects of the active auras are boosted by 3 times.

Its basically the same as Body Boost, except that this new aura multiplies the bonus by 3 instead of the 2x Bonus that BB gives.[/quote]

So basically the stats of the old school body boost? When we received 60% dmg and 80% dodge

That gameplay looks amazing. Who would have thought that a simple rush skill could make such an impact.

[quote=AckarRed]It's a buff, not a revamp.[/quote]

Corrected myself* Thanks, [url=] http://25.media.tumblr.com/77b1c5fd8c2ea0b5e80f5c86be60e61a/tumblr_mso48w3uRi1rzaqg4o1_1280.png [/url] This login screen is my favorite by far

[quote=InspektaJuice]The video I posted shows the link between the two.

@bubblecup118 The previous change to BaMs was more of a reorganization since the real revamp they received before t hat was cancelled. This is basically our real revamp since new skills have been added.[/quote]

It's a buff, not a revamp.

[quote=Hilario70]I wanted to see linking Hyper Dark Chains with Battle Spurt would look like [/quote]

The video I posted shows the link between the two.

@bubblecup118 The previous change to BaMs was more of a reorganization since the real revamp they received before that was cancelled. This is basically a huge buff.

I wanted to see linking Hyper Dark Chains with Battle Spurt would look like

Bit more accurate info would be cool, along with some 4th job videos...No KMSt players here anymore? o.0

another revamp for battle mage even though the previous one was less than 4 months ago

what mean 'big crunch aura'
30x effect boost?

Seems like Super body is 2x increase, while Big Crunch Aura is 3x increase. Therefore, I am guessing big crunch aura replaces super body in fourth job. So for example, using super body, we get 40% damage. With big crunch aura, we would get 60% damage. The reason we cant use both at the same time, is due to being way to oped (5x increase damage?).

Also, with this 3x increase, I wonder if that includes attack speed, and avoid %. The video shown looks like the bam is attacking at fastest speed with a slow staff.

[quote=EMSfreeze]
so we can use bodyboost mainly if the new skill is on cooldown and we died or need the 15 sec invinciblity, since the new one only increase in aura effects, where the invincibilty is not included[/quote]

so we have perma BB...AND this new skill which has a buff duration of 150s and a CD of 90s..

so technically, both skills r perma BUT we can only use the new one while we r NOT using BB?

I'm just so confused...

i love the new effect of dark gen. finaly i can give a good reason to spamm it.
and reaper being on/off skill now~ i welcome that.

what i am wondering is the actual effects of the new aura skill. it only stated it increase the effects of auras, but by how much? and compared to bodyboost how much is it better?

so we can use bodyboost mainly if the new skill is on cooldown and we died or need the 15 sec invinciblity, since the new one only increase in aura effects, where the invincibilty is not included

[quote=Mushroomx3]Now that conversion is a passive in 2nd job, would it stack with decent hyper body?[/quote]

Very good question. I think it will due to the fact that no active conversion buff would be on to negate the hyper body buff, if so I need to get my hands on decent hyper body !

Great stuff, thanks for sharing!