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I really see no point in bringing back a thread for a bunch of people to complain about it and some people saying you actually need to put in work if you wanna play maple without paying. Like some of you need lives if you're gonna stick around and bash the game because you aren't showing much signs of one.

@intjmikey: That's impressive that you reached 2m range without NX. I'm at 1m range self funded (that does not mean I cubed my own stuff; that means I bought all my gear pre made with mesos I've merched). People will learn very quickly that the amount of time to farm and get good on reboot is roughly the same or more time to get good on a normal server. A small amount of ingenuity and ambition can get you far. I've tried reboot and dislike the boring grind for money. If you enjoy it to each their own but I don't believe this will destroy the game. It should attract more people back to the game due to the notion "try harder, get stronger" that people believe in.

to add to what @silverfoxr was saying

honestly like i havent dropped a dime on maple to increase my range (the only time i have was to get anvils bc sale :^) ) and have chosen to do the f2p maple life (and in scania no less lmao) where i just farm events and stuff to boost my range. right now im farming this kinesis event and have made a lot of kinesis in order to cube a set of equips for myself, and after i reach my goal of 15%stat on all my items ill be 2mil-2mil range, which is what a good majority of players dream of. ive ignored the cs completely and yet im going to get that dream range from just a little bit of work. players need to realize that while real life dinero does help get strong faster, one can just as well reach that point as long as they put the time and effort into trying to get there

OP is blessed : D

@consecrate: Yep. There's no difficulty except for a select few areas and that's purely because of damage incompetence. Honestly if they would revamp the whole Bossing scene this game would be so much more interesting.
Around 7 or so months ago I told people that one of the best things Nexon can do to make the game funner is to create "Range Caps" for bosses so the fight isn't so dull, more dynamic and teamwork based movesets, and remove the timer so even lower funds can still try to take them down, even if it's unlikely as hell. Almost everyone QQed about them paying money into the game and they don't wanna waste their time on those boring bosses and just get it over with, which is basically just saying "I don't want fun, I want to win" because that whole post was about making bosses funner to play.

Tbh if I was Nexon, I would most definitely ignore most of these Free2Play kids who want nothing but instant gratification and no gameplay. They listened to the community too much and then we got this god awful moder P2W maplestory. Sad truth.

Reboot is really their last chance at saving the game and they did a damn good job imo but that CS needs more cosmetics. How on earth do they expect to make any money off of it if the players only have a select few ugly & old CS equips to buy? Other than that and a few non-KMS bits of content that needs adjusting specifically for Reboot (like Nebulites and Commerci) this could really kick the game off in time to being in much better standing.

well well well, looks like OP was right

Nexon owns several games. Also I don't think GMS is dead.. since they still earn A LOT of money. Just look at black friday sales or cubes sales during DMT.
I wish i could own this "dead game" for one hour.. i just need to do an hour DMT to earn a bunch of $.
Well the problem is.. I have played this game for a lot of time, Im a precubes player.. I've stopped playing this game a lot of times & always come back to have some fun.. but thing is I've always seen people saying that "Maple is dead, is going down" for like years! & it's still here.
Also there's too many players at Reboot world... a lot of them buying NX just to look cool. But most important a lot of people buy pets with pet equips, since without one is kinda sucks. Thats a bunch of money for nexon.. since a lot of that people would spent some NX every 90days.
We know people talk about pay2win because of cubes, but still Nexon can earn enough money to keep this game on without cubes.

And, once again, the concept of the Reboot server is irrelevant when you simply realize that you never need NX and all the things you can do in Reboot can be done just as easily in the regular servers. All you have to do is ignore the Cash Shop entirely and play. Play unfunded and be self-sufficient. You also gain the benefit of being able to pool resources amongst your characters (unlike Reboot, which won't let you even share equipment between your characters through storage) if you need.

Everyone acted like Reboot was the best thing ever, when all it boils down to is choosing not to be funded... WHICH YOU CAN DO ANY TIME IN ANY SERVER!

Also, how can you "pay 2 win" when there's no "win"?

Seriously, why do people blame the company for what the players do?

i'm in reboot world, and i bought nx to change my hair and face. also bought a pet.

@souledgemaster: It's aight.

Hi guys, VoltesV (L200 Hero) of Scania here. I've been mostly away from Maple for about 5 years now. How goes GMS?

Letter to nexon:

Dear Nexon!
I really like Maplestory but the game is going towards dead end.
But there is still solution to this problem.
We all know it's too much of pay-2-win even the top players confirm that
what in my honest opinion is very sad..
compared to what this awesome game used to be.
In good old days when you earned over 300 million a year.
The story of success can repeat however.

I will try to be as short as possible and I hope you will
take this into consideration for your own good
I ended with maplestory few years ago.

You can reduce expenses a lot and start again.
here are some harsh rules I know it's not easy to make steps like this
but in this crisis it's necessary.
I Will not apply reasons for every action.. but believe me I wrote this for a reason
1. Remove the worlds ....
yes you saw this right.
What does matter if there are more world's than players..
(not meaning to insult the playerbase but it's not far from the truth)

Scania: get's characters from 5 worlds
Bera: get's characters from 5 worlds
Broa: get's characters from 4 worlds

Transfer All caracter from WINDIA, KHAINI BELLOCAN, MARDIA, KRADIA, YELLONDE,
DEMETHOS, GALICIA, EL NIDO, ZENITH, ARCANIA, CHAOS, NOVA, RENEGADES

into those 3 worlds. depending on population of the world so each world would have around
33% of still active players.
Make an announcement!
Send mails to all the players that in 1 month you are transferring all characters to Original 3 worlds
and you could also just transfer players from chosen worlds together or make each player confirm to
which world would he like to be transferred. And delete all unused inactive account's and characters.
Out of total player database 90% are abandoned accounts. Delete all those accounts who wont respond.

You can notify players by Mail and also put notice on official site so nobody who is playing
or comming back could miss the notice.

There are a lot of good reasons why this could really help the community.
Hosting Costs will be reduced by high amount. deleting 90% of unused data and connecting
players from worlds. Give feeling of much much friendlier and filled world.
I hope you will take this small step into a consideration.
nevertheless to return the golden era of Maplestory there will be few more NECESSARY steps

Best Regards, Much love!

Contact: fitestatics at gmail.com

Dis OP is funny.

[quote=Leechingto250]The thing is, I confronted Nexon about this on the forums several months back. Nexon was quick to deny craftnl's data, but refused to refute my numbers.
I had 2 Nexon employees on the forums hogging me about posting "incorrect data", until I admitted I didn't believe craftnl's current data either and that I believed the true concurrent number was more like 500.

The Nexon shills didn't bother saying whether I was right or wrong. They all just abandoned thread when I wrote that magical number.
Considering that was several months ago, it's more like 400 now.[/quote]

Go count the players of every world and every channel and then tell me it's 400. I'll take your word then.

[quote=xylyls]We'll agree to disagree.[/quote]

The thing is, I confronted Nexon about this on the forums several months back. Nexon was quick to deny craftnl's data, but refused to refute my numbers.
I had 2 Nexon employees on the forums hogging me about posting "incorrect data", until I admitted I didn't believe craftnl's current data either and that I believed the true concurrent number was more like 500.

The Nexon shills didn't bother saying whether I was right or wrong. They all just abandoned thread when I wrote that magical number.
Considering that was several months ago, it's more like 400 now.

[quote=Leechingto250]Hardly anyone is outside of FM, so it's negligible. Windia is also one of the most populated servers in GMS, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Multiply that amount by 3 for Bera and Scania. The other servers have like 30-50 people online.
500 max. 800 if you're being generous.[/quote]

We'll agree to disagree.

[quote=xylyls]Like I said yesterday. In an extremely small sample size in Windia, not at a peak time I had over 40 people in my alliance and then saw over 50 people in the first six rooms of the Free Market. That is already nearly 100 people. Take account rooms 7-22, then everyone outside of the FM in channels 1-20. Then add the rest of the servers. There are definitely more than 500 people playing.[/quote]

Hardly anyone is outside of FM, so it's negligible. Windia is also one of the most populated servers in GMS, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Multiply that amount by 3 for Bera and Scania. The other servers have like 30-50 people online.
500 max. 800 if you're being generous.

[quote=Leechingto250]It's why Nexon shut off server tracking. Everyone would quit the game if it really had less than 500 players. Players need confidence in a game's longevity if they are going to spend time and money on it. Would you be comfortable about a game's future if it only had 500 people online and dropping by the day? I sure as hell wouldn't.[/quote]

Like I said yesterday. In an extremely small sample size in Windia, not at a peak time I had over 40 people in my alliance and then saw over 50 people in the first six rooms of the Free Market. That is already nearly 100 people. Take account rooms 7-22, then everyone outside of the FM in channels 1-20. Then add the rest of the servers. There are definitely more than 500 people playing.

[quote=xylyls]@Leechingto250: Lol.[/quote]

It's why Nexon shut off server tracking. Everyone would quit the game if it really had less than 500 players. Players need confidence in a game's longevity if they are going to spend time and money on it. Would you be comfortable about a game's future if it only had 500 people online and dropping by the day? I sure as hell wouldn't.

@Leechingto250: Lol.

[quote=xylyls]@rythendevil: I'm not saying the game is doing well. It's in a state of decline. I was just trying to say that there are more than 300 players online[/quote]

But it's definitely not over 500.

I don't get op at all. Is he that insecure that he has to justify his lifestyle to thotsrus? OP is way too invested in other people's opinion. If you have little social life why does it matter if something rejects your lifestyle? No point in bantering back in forth with someone who doesn't agree with you.

@rythendevil: I'm not saying the game is doing well. It's in a state of decline. I was just trying to say that there are more than 300 players online

[quote=xylyls]I would say at least 2,000 to be honest. Back when you were able to see how many people were online ( October~ish?), there were still a good 1000-1500 people per each of the big 3, and then I believe GAZED also topped 1,000 quite often. I know it's tapered off pretty bad since then but I can't imagine it being as low as three digits[/quote]
even so... games that have been around for just as long or longer have 5 times the population of online players in one server http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=82&factionid=-1&minlevel=10&maxlevel=100&servertypeid=-1

thats not even taking account of the large chunk of fm bots/afkers

[quote=ThotsRUs]@leechingto250 dude you work a 9 to 5 and don't have enough time? You should be thankful you have so much time. You have all this time and you don't include the part where you could work out with friends, go out with friends, or study with them. But you prefer to waste your time alone washing your hours being unproductive making threads like these rather than study. The fact that you work 9 to 5 and have no time to do things on the weekend like go to the movies or hit the club just proves you are the horrible at managing time. The weekend is CREATED to be a haven for rest. But Mr. Busybody is too busy preparing himself in looking forward in making more money in the future or studying his life away, and by doing this he does so by creating internet threads about wishing for a group to quit something they enjoy. You just have contradicted yourself tenfold. You are this productive idol we should look up to, working his 9 to 5 job having no time to have some laid back time, who attacks the ones who are lazy and put in zero effort because they dump thousands into the game. Anyone I know, who is in the STEM-related field, either does fine balancing their time or complains that they have no time (deriving from the fact that they don't use it well). Hit me with a PM, i'll message you back if you need someone to discuss things with.[/quote]

LMFAO... How about you go try studying for the actuarial exams and then we'll talk, okay skippy?
Even a genius slacker like myself needs to study for those exams, and I'm one who never studied in HS, got straight As in college with no effort and got a 2310 on the SAT with no studying.

And I love how you avoid the fact that I said this will only last for 2-3 more years. You're acting like I'm going to study for the rest of my life. After I pass the last 2 exams, I'm finished. $350,000/year salary and 9 - 5 gig.

P.S. Actuary is far harder than other STEM careers. I don't know many STEM careers that require you to pass 8 of the hardest professional exams in the world.

Just wondering....people who dont pay will go to the reboot servers yes... but its not like they were spending money on their old servers though? o.o Nexon not makin money either way lol

[quote=ThotsRUs]@Leechingto250: Actuary who doesn't know how supply & demand works here? "Don't have time to socialize", LOL, quit the excuses bro. Its all good, its all about time management. Take away the wasting your time on an internet forum part and actually use it to be useful-- whether studying or enjoying a hobby, or meeting new people. Find it really hard you would do those type of things if you spend your time making threads encouraging the downfall of a game, let alone a group of human beings, or "whales" like you call them. "College years", its okay bro, you never done it. It's cool, just be honest to yourself and try to set goals every now and then rather than wasting your life away on here. Guess what. Today is the day you are about to GET LAID, with a GIRL too! Let's go, ANDALE! I believe in you, first, lets end this conversation and help you get off your laptop. No dude, you clearly have no idea about what you are talking about again. No one wants the feeling of being isolated unless you are some Buddha monk, which is cool, doing your own thing. And having free time alone to ponder is absolutely cool, everyone appreciates that. But looking to be isolated and have no friends just to think about how "I am about to take down a group of players who enjoy the game"? That's only you bud. Guess what too. I am going to be your first friend, no harm to it. Sorry that I said those mean things earlier. Let's meet up and get you laid tonight and we will have the best night of your life! And we could all do this while you're still working your actuary job, better yet, we'll look for better financial employment opportunities for you bud. Hit me up with a PM, we'll talk. [/quote]

I doubled in math and economics in college, so I'm well aware of how supply and demand works. What you presented to me doesn't pass the BS test.

It is not all about time management. God, you are clueless. I work from 9 AM - 5 PM. I get home by 6 PM. I hit the gym for an hour and I'm home by 7:30PM. I spend 30 minutes eating dinner.
From 8 PM - 11 PM, I study for my exams. I procrastinate while I'm studying for my exams or at work, which is why I'm on this board. There is no way I can make time to hang-out with my friends or hit the bar to seduce the local hussies.

And I never said I was anti-social. Again, your poor reasoning skills make you assume things I've never said. I said I have no time to socialize, not that I want to be alone. It is typical for actuaries to have little social lives until they achieve fellowship, which should take me about 2-3 more years depending on whether I fail the next set of exams.

[quote=ThotsRUs]@Leechingto250: everyone else will stay. 100% delusional. Call me in a years time. Like I said, look into a hobby or finding someone to talk to is good. Don't feel afraid to go out and do these type of things, we all went through it. Good luck bud. [/quote]

I am an actuary, so I don't have time to socialize while I'm studying for my exams. I've already socialized and boinked girls during my college years. As you grow older, you want to be more isolated to have room to think. Vapid teenage punks like yourselves still seek the company of others.

[quote=ThotsRUs]@Leechingto250: The thing is, everyone will go to the new server unless ones who are currently happy with their current position. If you think these people who loathe themselves in thousands of dollars of Nexon Cash won't be playing this server then you are just dead wrong. Everyone will flock over, just because it looks "new" and "fun". But at the end of the day you are not realizing the fact that people will return back to their normal world and play how they used to. Nexon has played this card many times and everyone still plays. The decline part, well, yeah, that's evident. MapleStory will have a slow death, nothing drastic will kill the game like all the hundred past examples.

But then again, you probably won't realize it because you're a ch0de 12-year old who looks forward for all these money spenders to quit the game. Screw Capitalism! No, dude, just shut the f up and get out of that negative frame and enjoy the game. Why do you look forward for others to fall? Just because you're unsuccessful and probably writing this from your mother's basement, doesn't mean you have to make other people's lives a living hell. Just enjoy the game instead of making these useless threads that accomplish nothing. Find a hobby dude and peace out.[/quote]

I've already addressed your argument about people going back to their main servers. That's the best case scenario for whales. My guess is that only the credit card heroes will go back, because they don't like it when the playing field is level. Everyone else will stay.
The problem arises when they go back to their server and find that all the non-NX players are gone along with 80% of the server. That's when they become suicidal.

And why does it concern you what opinion I hold of credit card heroes? You are right that I'm not a Capitalist. I'm more of a National Socialist, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. Try to keep up and stop using ad hominem.

Why are we still feeding the troll

[quote=ThotsRUs]@Leechingto250: this all revolves around money on both a micro and macro level. On a micro-level, people will get "bored" the fact that they can't make mesos and take the easy way out. Sure, it will be fun for a few months. But end-game, people will be flocking back to their main server or they will manage playing on both; supply and demand plays for the players whom are looking for many alternatives to playing this game, not just grinding it out and picking up mesos. On a macro-level, if everyone decides to play in this world, Nexon won't be making any money. Lack of revenue, huge loss for the company, supply and demand plays here too. I know for a fact this won't ruin the game, and this is coming from someone who hasn't spent anything in the company for over years (unless if you include character slots). I'll put my Basilmarket account on the line if i'm not right.[/quote]

People are already bored anyway and quitting those servers. Even if everyone goes back to their main server, you're right back to where you started: Servers that have declining playerbase.

The advantage with reboot is that it will attract and retain the new players.

Of course, even this scenario is the best situation for whales. More realistically, reboot server will capture most of the players from the other servers, leaving the whales by themselves. I might have spoken hyperbolically when I said Scania will have only 8 players left, but the population drop will be very significant. It'll be enough to convince lots of whales to give up, since there will be no one else to brag to.

i bet @leechingto250 is that eunwolgazed guy

[quote=ThotsRUs]@Leechingto250: i haven't spent a dime on MapleStory in the past few years. Maybe that one time spending $20 on character slots. But other then that absolutely no money spent. You are speaking out of your ass lol, you really don't know how supply & demand works and trends in general.[/quote]

What does supply and demand have to do with this discussion?

[quote=ThotsRUs]People who think this will alter the population the SLIGHTEST bit, lol.[/quote]

Did you type this with a creeping thought in the back of your head that all your investments will be worthless in 6 months?

[quote=ArchM0onL]Trade system is not necessary, we can easily form loot policies within the trusted group. Reboot world isn't an offline server, we can still utilize the party system to achieve something.[/quote]

lmfao... You're acting like this is some hard thing to do.
That is only necessary if the server is dead and if you have trouble going on boss runs or PQs. In reboot world, which will have population numbers multiple times all the other servers combined, everyone would have those types of policies.
Just go on a few boss runs and see who's following the loot rules. Then go add them to your BL. Not difficult.

[quote=ArchM0onL]This is extremely ignorant. Knowledge and connections outshine NX by far even in our current servers.[/quote]

Just denial from a credit card hero to make his/her "damage range" look like an accomplishment.

[quote=Leechingto250]There is no trading in reboot world, so your friends and "connections" won't do you any good. Your damage is based entirely on grinding and doing PQs.[/quote]

Trade system is not necessary, we can easily form loot policies within the trusted group. Reboot world isn't an offline server, we can still utilize the party system to achieve something.

[quote=Leechingto250]And lol @ knowledge and connections. It's all based on NX, not "connections".[/quote]

This is extremely ignorant. Knowledge and connections outshine NX by far even in our current servers.

[quote=ArchM0onL]What OP doesn't understand is, we who have invested time/money have a good knowledge about this game. Even in reboot world, with the knowledge/connections we will still get most of the resources and form our guild/alliance again. There is a reason for being rich and poor.[/quote]

There is no trading in reboot world, so your friends and "connections" won't do you any good. Your damage is based entirely on grinding and doing PQs. Nothing else.
And lol @ knowledge and connections. It's all based on NX or doing illegitimate activities, not "connections".

What OP doesn't understand is, we who have invested time/money have a good knowledge about this game. Even in reboot world, with the prior knowledge/connections we will still get most of the resources and form our guild/alliance again. Not everyone who achieved something throw $$ in this game. There is a reason for being rich and poor, and there will always be the rich and the poor.

[quote=KamikazeDes]It's hilarious to watch people cry about their investments going under. If you don't like the Reboot world, you don't have to play it. I, for one, will jump ship and go play a server that actually requires party play and a (still low, but better than regular) thought process.[/quote]

It's easy for NX players to not play the reboot world, but the non-NX players will all move to reboot world. That's the primary issue that credit card heroes have with it.

I'm sure Reboot is a test to see whether or not 1) players are actually interested in a "harder" Maple; and 2) whether or not this less Cash Shop reliant server is not only profitable but sustainable as well

It's hilarious to watch people cry about their investments going under. If you don't like the Reboot world, you don't have to play it. I, for one, will jump ship and go play a server that actually requires party play and a (still low, but better than regular) thought process.

[quote=nitsua2789]Reboot world is a direct result of people asking for a non P2W model of Maplestory. You don't have to spend NX on anything in the Reboot world, everything can be obtained through regular play / farming. This isn't a "money grab" because it has no P2W aspect to it what-so-ever.

You all whined and complained that the game sucked b/c it required so much NX to make gear and now that Nexon has announced an alternative way to play the game that requires absolutely 0 NX you all complain that its a money grab and it'll kill the game. I don't even understand this community anymore, all you guys really want is something to complain about.

OT: Reboot world looks really fun imo, it's a lot like OG Maple but with current content. Back in the day the CS was only good for NX clothes and beauty coupons, and that's all that will be in the Reboot CS. Definitely going to give it a go if it comes to GMS.[/quote]

Pretty sure the complainers for non-nx is just a niche group. There are more people wanting non-nx.

Reboot world is a direct result of people asking for a non P2W model of Maplestory. You don't have to spend NX on anything in the Reboot world, everything can be obtained through regular play / farming. This isn't a "money grab" because it has no P2W aspect to it what-so-ever.

You all whined and complained that the game sucked b/c it required so much NX to make gear and now that Nexon has announced an alternative way to play the game that requires absolutely 0 NX you all complain that its a money grab and it'll kill the game. I don't even understand this community anymore, all you guys really want is something to complain about.

OT: Reboot world looks really fun imo, it's a lot like OG Maple but with current content. Back in the day the CS was only good for NX clothes and beauty coupons, and that's all that will be in the Reboot CS. Definitely going to give it a go if it comes to GMS.

[quote=xylyls]Wow, 2013? Time flies by.

on march 24rd, 2015 there were 1,900 people online. according to CraftNet.[/quote]

Those recent figures are incorrect by Nexon's own admission.

[quote=Leechingto250]Yes. Nexon disabled server tracking since 2013. You can check the history on craftnet.

There's no way the population is above 2,000 simultaneous players now.[/quote]

Wow, 2013? Time flies by.

on march 24rd, 2015 there were 1,900 people online. according to CraftNet.

[quote=xylyls]I'm talking about October of 2014.[/quote]

Yes. Nexon disabled server tracking since 2013. You can check the history on craftnet.

There's no way the population is above 2,000 simultaneous players now.

[quote=Leechingto250]That was several years ago. We haven't been able to see the real numbers for several years now because Nexon got so embarrassed about it.

It's definitely not over 2,000.[/quote]

I'm talking about October of 2014.

the site to see the world populations? It has not been "several years." It's been a year at max... if I'm wrong. It was still around when I played and that was like 9th anniversary. I'm almost positive, at least. |:

[quote=xylyls]I would say at least 2,000 to be honest. Back when you were able to see how many people were online ( October~ish?), there were still a good 1000-1500 people per each of the big 3, and then I believe GAZED also topped 1,000 quite often. I know it's tapered off pretty bad since then but I can't imagine it being as low as three digits[/quote]

That was several years ago. We haven't been able to see the real numbers for several years now because Nexon got so embarrassed about it.

It's definitely not over 2,000.

Nexon most likely has a contingency plan prepared for the effects of the server's release. Don't assume this is the nail in the coffin; they've been apparently "digging a grave" for themselves for many years now.

@Leechingto250: You don't play in Windia man. Henesys has much more than 5 people at any one time in there, Leafre does as well. And depending on the time of day there are multiple people in Ardentmill trying to keep their crafting exp up.