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Hey, all.

We have looked into the rates on Cubes and everything is as it should be according to our most recent updates from A Better Maple. I would think that perhaps some of you are just encountering a spell of bad luck, but I cannot be sure myself.

If you believe that specific bosses are dropping cubes less, or certain rates seem to be worse than before, please submit a bug report in the appropriate Official forum (Bug Reporting) so we can look into the issue.

Include the information noted in the Bug Reporting Guidelines, as well as what boss you were killing, what change in Cube drops you are seeing, what change in rank-up rates you are seeing, as well as how this affects your experience in MapleStory.

Let's assume a cube drop is .1% (Since I used to get 1 cube in like 1000 boss kills without any drop increase). Using a spider increases that chance to .16%. Having 1000% drop increases that to 1%. I'd say you're lucky to get 3-5 cubes in a week.

In other words, RNG is RNG. I'm sure in the coming weeks you'll have days when you'll have upwards to 10 drops daily and some when you'll get nothing at all. It's not like the chance for a cube to drop was around 10% to being with.

To give a small example, when I first finished Commerci questline. I was averaging 5 cubic blade/chaos cubic blade per week in the Rosa runs in the first 2 weeks thinking man this is great. Then it went down to 0-3 per week mostly 0s. Did anything change? No. RNJesus decided it wasn't going to give me blades. In the following months, I would get somewhere around 0-12 per week mostly 0.

[quote=Axnslicer]http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1409236-why-are-the-cube-rates-so-bad-now%2Fpage3%26nxid%3D6

Artasi:

The thing is, nothing has been changed. We have looked into the rates on Cubes, Shards, etc. Everything is as it should be according to our most recent updates from A Better Maple.[/quote]

That was said on April 13th.

You said he said it last week/before April 10th. Where? He didn't.

I guess it doesn't make a difference though since he did have it looked into. I've got to say though I don't like his full answer. Anyway, edited that in to the OP. Thank you.

[quote=Rexaar]Just a reminder, greed pendant only increase equipment drop rate.
And Commerci bosses are unaffected by drop rates as the drops does not drop directly from them.

Average drop rate should be 0-1 per day or 5 per week.
You're lucky if you get more than that.[/quote]

About the Greed Pendant, I think that's just a case of bad wording.

I know the average drop rate, but if a potential line says it does something, then it should do it. If someone has a bunch of drop %, then it should work and by definition alone we should get more than the average you've outlined, otherwise there's a functionality issue.

[quote=bowlers]no.. the rate is still the same. i average 5-8 cubes a day and i still get that much

on the first few weeks even with 180% drop gear, 30% drop hs, wolf underling, 2x drop card+2x drop event (24.4x drop) there were a few times that i did not get cube from krexel ranmaru and some other bosses which means the drop rate is less than 5% for some bosses, whereas i consistently got 2 master cubes and ocasionaly a meister cube from cvellum, cvonbon and empress. evry boss has a different drop rate, some of them lower than others[/quote]

You mind if I PM you for some comparisons?

I finally decided the standard deviation of their cube tier up rate or cube drop rate is ridiculously high. Although the average value might be improved, it may cost you 5 cubes to tier up, or 50 cubes.

[quote=Rexaar]Just a reminder, greed pendant only increase equipment drop rate.
And Commerci bosses are unaffected by drop rates as the drops does not drop directly from them.

Average drop rate should be 0-1 per day or 5 per week.
You're lucky if you get more than that.[/quote]

where do you get this "average drop rate from" ?

Just a reminder, greed pendant only increase equipment drop rate.
And Commerci bosses are unaffected by drop rates as the drops does not drop directly from them.

Average drop rate should be 0-1 per day or 5 per week.
You're lucky if you get more than that.

I'm still getting cubes at the same rate. Granted some days it's lower then others but then I'll have a day where 2 drop from 1 monster in commerci.

[quote=lolmiggy]Can you show me this?
[/quote]

http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1409236-why-are-the-cube-rates-so-bad-now%2Fpage3%26nxid%3D6

Artasi:

The thing is, nothing has been changed. We have looked into the rates on Cubes, Shards, etc. Everything is as it should be according to our most recent updates from A Better Maple.

@Lecarde: Sorry if I didn't make myself clear; when I said " nerfed" I meant about the max cap of the soul shards * ; but even then, no need to be so hostile ( unless I kept arguing that you're wrong ) xp

[quote=TheQueen]@Lecarde: You didn't have to be so hostile about it ( could've said you mean ___ instead and I would've corrected myself) xD[/quote]

But I didn't know what you meant lol I thought you were quoting my thread as proof that the drop rate itself was nerfed.

Yall suck I get like 2-3 cubes a day with just big spider lol.
It's not nerfed stop complaining.

i get only 1 cube most days, today ive got 3 so far (2 of those are meister) sometimes i get 4
i recall gettin 3 cubes on the first day they raised drop rate then 1 the next day and 0 the next day
so its been same to me since first black heaven patch that raised drop rate, i think its just nexon's amazing RNG making u guys think stuff
all i have on me is a spider and greed pendant, perhaps drop rate modifiers dont affect cubes? it would be fair, or else those who can afford having 1000%+ drop rate would get at least 5 cubes a day thats really broken and im glad you dont tbh for once nexon thought about the rich and poor gap

I barley get cubes and I have like 155% in drop gear(10,20,20,10,20,20,20,20,15) and 175% if greed counts. I did notice a decline of cubes from the first release. I'm lucky to get 1 now.
I also use a wolf underling.

@Lecarde: You didn't have to be so hostile about it ( could've said you mean ___ instead and I would've corrected myself) xD

@TheQueen: Yes, max number of soul shards has been decreased, but drop rate has not been affected

I got 4 Meister cubes and 1 master cube today. Even czak dropped a meister which was surprising for me.
drop rate percentages : 20 + 20 +40 + 20 + 5+ 20 , wolf familiar , 10 % drop potion

Meister : hard ranmaru, commerci solo x 2 , czak
Master : reg ranmaru

Haven't noticed a difference. I think you're mistaken.

Last week I'd gotten about 6 cubes from just doing daily bosses and Commerci. This week I haven't gotten anything....Not sure if I was just really lucky last week or if something's changed

Why do people automatically think something must be true with very little statistics to work with? Testing with 4 friends FOUR friends does not give you viable information on whether Nexon nerfed the drop rate or not. You need more friends or people testing this out if you want to figure anything out. Just because you have FOUR friends with xx % of drop rate does not give you anything to work with. Don't post facts if they arn't true. At least name your title I think Nexon ninja nerf the drop rate. Not Nexon ninja nerf the drop rate unless you have solid proof and extensive testing has been done.

Awkward I actually got more cubes after the SC than I did before

Whether this is true or not I don't know at the moment because I haven't done that many bosses every day.

And this nerf on drop rate isn't new either. They have done it in the past.
http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/updates/update-notes/00HnE/v-149-legacy-of-nine-update-notes?page=2#cubedrop

Before the 9th Anniversairy event I often found a cube at RA, but after the patch I didn't find any at all even though they said in that patch note that they increased it slightly.

So if this is true for the current drop rate then yea I wasn't surprised at all.

@Lecarde: My bad ; the max number of soul shards has been reduced for bosses like Empress

When they first changed i got 3-4 cubes per day from all bosses with just Big Spider

Now, i got 0-1 cube per day when using 2x drop

GG NEXON Y U DO DIS

nah its not this week onward..ive been getting like a cube a day avg on the soloable bosses.. however before it was DEFINTELY higher

I mean I don't have much drop rate, but I do see somewhat a difference. I used to get about 1~2 a day but now I'm lucky to even see one.

^ your first sentence is an opinion, the second sentence could be a fact

There's definitely been a drop difference from the 1st week cubes came out til now. Week 1 = 3-5 cubes a day. Now = 0-1 cube a day. <--- And that's just a fact, if you believe otherwise then you're truly being naive and ignorant.

[quote=TheQueen]Seems like the drop rate of boss soul shards was also nerfed ( typical Nexon) [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1405564-Was-the-drop-rate-of-boss-soul-shards-nerfed%2Fpage5%26nxid%3D6]Source[/url] I will comment on the thread ; " A Better Maple " my ass [/quote]

That is my thread, and Artasi himself came in and said that the drop rate for soul shards was unchanged. Please stop spouting such Bull**** when the evidence clearly contradicts you.

@OP I don't think the drop was nerfed. Right after the increased drop rate I was averaging about 1-2 cubes a day with showdown and big spider. I will get unlucky days, but I can still get 3-4 cubes in a day with the same gear. Same drop rate, and I am getting the same amount of cubes, sometimes more, than I was getting right after theincreased drop rate. I don't need lots of drop gear to compare the data since I am getting the same amount.

are u illumanitiate?

also, i haven't noticed any difference, still get 2-8 per day from all my soloable thingS.

I'm going to say confirmation bias till there is official post. Unless you actually properly recorded data like killing at least 100 boss before and after with same drop rate and compute correlation. I only have spider and got like 1-3 a day before and i got 1 or none after killing like 15 bosses now. So not quite sure. But bossing with 400% drop is much above the deviation so maybe i'm wrong.

Or you guys may have just got unlucky this week...

[quote=FallenLink]Heh, I knew Nexon would pull this sort of thing. For all we know, they probably didn't change the cube tier ups either, those tier up rates are still doody.[/quote]
I don't know about this. I mean just yesterday, I got from unique to legendary in 1 cube on my fafnir sword that I was working on and it turned out to have 35% ignore def, another 30% ignore def, and 30% boss damage.

Maybe you all are just unlucky. This is chance, not a sure thing and if you all are complaining, maybe it'd be best if you just stopped, looked at yourself, and quit.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH I knew I was being a little ridiculous thinking that nexon would actually do something less pay2win.

Heh, I knew Nexon would pull this sort of thing. For all we know, they probably didn't change the cube tier ups either, those tier up rates are still doody.

The rate of cubes dropping for me is the same ol same ol. Aka basically on a blue moon.

[quote=Starglazing]even if it has been nerfed nexon is known to goof up things after scs like re-uninstancing drops

if this was true anyway nexon would probably fix things again[/quote]

Err on the side of caution and post in that thread.

If you're right, things get fixed anyway.
If you're not, they've fallen back on the caustic pattern of trying to woo people back, then corrupting their wish and hoping enough of them stay.

Why give them wiggle room? Suffocate, suffocate and suffocate till they fix it.

Well not keeping by hopes up but ive noticed a drop as well. I normally boss with a spider / pig and greed pendant. I averaged 1 - 3 cubes when they first announced the cube drop rate increase> Now I've gotten literally 2 from the last SC till now on 4 characters that can boss (altogether). So im willing to believe that it has been nerfed. Im just hoping that for some reason it's a mess up by nexon and they'll bring it back..or IF they decide to tell us officially that the drop rate has been lowered. Once again, dont keep your hopes too high guys.

[quote=DogPukeYellow]Just to add: before one of the recent maintenances, I had recently been on 470% drop without the use of drop coupons and use buffs.

I was finding quite a lot - I amassed literally 44 of them in my storage over the course of a week (though 4-5 of them must have been crafted).

Presently/after the maintenance, I can't find even one on the same amount of drop %, when I had been finding a largely consistent amount per day. I'm going to go ahead and say the deviation to continually getting zero (which has never happened) is a little too odd to be coincidental.

Might be premature to call it a nerf and too anecdotal, but I went weeks on 440-470% getting a minimum of three a day. Not even one day went by where there was any less. And now I'm getting zeroes consecutively?

It might take a little while but you all will see. It's nerfed.[/quote]

even if it has been nerfed nexon is known to goof up things after scs like re-uninstancing drops

if this was true anyway nexon would probably fix things again

Just to add: before one of the recent maintenances, I had recently been on 470% drop without the use of drop coupons and without use buffs. It's 440 of my own and +30 with HS.

I was finding quite a lot - I amassed literally 44 of them in my storage over the course of a week (though 4-5 of them must have been crafted).

Presently/after the maintenance (I think it was the Monday one), I can't find even one on the same amount of drop %, when I had been finding a largely consistent amount per day. I'm going to go ahead and say the deviation to continually getting zero (which has never happened) is a little too odd to be coincidental.

Might be premature to call it a nerf and too anecdotal, but I went weeks on 440-470% getting a minimum of three a day. Not even one day went by where there was any less. And now I'm getting zeroes consecutively?

It might take a little while but you all will see. It's nerfed.

I feel the same too albeit it felt like as above has point out nerfed far further earlier than a week ago
i went bossing over the last weekend on 4x and they didn't drop a single cube whereas around the announcement I had around 3 cubes on 4x drop

@lolmiggy: I did

[quote=lolmiggy]No, it's definitely been just this week onward. [/quote]

well i noticed a decline in cube drops 2-3 weeks ago

pretty sure they slowly nerfed the rate and not in one go to make it less obvious

[quote=Axnslicer]Artasi already confirmed last week that cube drop rates had not been changed.[/quote]

Can you show me this?

[quote=Axnslicer]If they were nerfed this patch, then you have at best 1-2 days worth of data. You should not make judgments based on such a small sample size[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn't, but wait and watch me be right anyway.

seems fine for me. i get plenty of cubes daily enough..

[quote=lolmiggy]It was nerfed since the last SC. Tested personally with four friends who all normally hunt with 400-1000% drop rate (using CS buffs, item and support buffs, drop gear, etc.) and all have reported a new drought in comparison to weeks of great returns on labor before the SC.

We knew something was up, and the following wasn't a confirmation bias so much as simply confirmation because our data already supported this conclusion:
http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1405515-Cube-rate-nerf%26nxid%3D6

The troublesome thing is, since the rate wasn't spectacular to begin with (meaning it needed a lot more resources to foster consistency), making the base rate more abysmal in such a slimy way will go unnoticed to most. Because of that, Nexon won't get nearly the amount of heat they should.

I know there are people who for some masochistic reason will defend Nexon's abuse at every turn; I'm not even going to bother replying. I'm just letting those of you who are more level-headed know, it has been undoubtedly nerfed. If you're disgusted at all by it, let yourself be heard in the thread over at Nexon forums.

P.S. To those of you who boss with high drop %, PM me to compare if you want. I'm sure my point will substantiate itself, which is sad.[/quote]

It's too soon to say. Artasi already confirmed last week that cube drop rates had not been changed. If they were nerfed this patch, then you have at best 1-2 days worth of data. You should not make judgments based on such a small sample size.

I personally believe that cube drops rates are still the same as they were. If several people consistently notice a lower amounts of cubes in the following weeks, then maybe I'll start considering what you've said, but as of right now you just have too little ground to stand on.

Also, I got 4 cubes just yesterday after the sc, so I'm pretty skeptical of anyone who claims cube drop rates have been nerfed.

Edit: I just ran my bosses for today, 3 cubes so far from Commerci, Hard Hilla, and Madman Ranmaru.

Didn't seem to change for me. The second day cubes got changed I got 4 from commerci, but after that it's averaged out to 1-2 per day from commerci and bosses. Yesterday after the SC I got 1 from commerci and a meister from czak.

[quote=DiuMeHarder]
i suspect the nerfs first started around 2-3 weeks ago[/quote]

No, it's definitely been just this week onward.

[quote=TheQueen]Seems like the drop rate of boss soul shards was also nerfed ( typical Nexon) [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1405564-Was-the-drop-rate-of-boss-soul-shards-nerfed%2Fpage5%26nxid%3D6]Source[/url] I will comment on the thread ; " A Better Maple " my ass [/quote]

We don't know about problems with souls since something like 4-5 still drop from VL each time, for example, but cubes for sure.

[quote=TheQueen]I will comment on the thread[/quote]

You really should.

Seems like the drop rate of boss soul shards was also nerfed ( typical Nexon) [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1405564-Was-the-drop-rate-of-boss-soul-shards-nerfed%2Fpage5%26nxid%3D6]Source[/url] I will comment on the thread ; " A Better Maple " my ass

i personally got around 5 cubes a day from killing like all the soloable bosses plus commerci when they first increased the drop rate.

now i get around 0-2 a day mainly 0-1

i suspect the nerfs first started around 2-3 weeks ago thats when i noticed a slow and steady decline of cube drops

wp nexon wp