Petition to return Ms to the Pre-Unleashed Exp Formula
The gist is that separating the bonus exp(2x, hs, buffs, etc) cut out the majority of the party play bonus in HoH, this means that the more party members you have the slower you level.
This results in the faster method for everyone to level is solo now but not everyone can solo. Not everyone can get an amazing range even with NX so implementing something that basically glorifies solo play in a game with as many users as this one is only a detrimental one. And then if they do what they did to LHC to HoH it will be extremely difficult to train beyond 170 which is extremely tedious anyway even with the ability to use evo.
They cut out so many popular training spots and didn't boost exp elsewhere so now everyone is going for alternatives and that's resulting in the same situation as before but the complaints grew exponentially, everyone is going to the alternatives and this is resulting in there being even less places to train because again everyone trains faster solo which also results in situations like now, you have 2x on, but the servers a lagging beyond any type of reasoning because you have so many people soloing maps.
And you know what the worst part is? Even if you can solo a map, or if you just solo it but takes you a while its still worse exp than pre Unleashed.
Credit goes to Thorr and Stereo and anyone else in this thread that contributed.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=67477&page=2&p=1157595#post1157595
In a 4h 2x i used to be able to get around 5-6 levels when all party members were attacking and 4 if there was someone who wanted/coud solo. Now even solo it would take me 2h for one level and I cant even do that b/c I keep getting DC'ed because of all of the resultant stress on the server.
This is also a petition for the removal of the exp penalty for lv 150+ characters because when we finally got evo it was a way for many of the unfunded and those who just didn't want to fund a char to level at a good/leisurely place. The game is becoming more like a chore to simply get 120 which is what we usually rush to b/c there's not much to do at those low levels that older players haven't already done. And while I don't speak for everyone, some of us want to get to 120 so we can do thing with friends. And even those of us that do PQ's or were hoping to have a reason to PQing is still slower leveling than grinding, the limit was removed, but the exp was not boosted, and this is even worse once you get past 100/120 because if you don't want the rewards PQ's generally are not worth the time to most people.
And read that 5-6 levels over the entire 2x and that's only with my friends. Its more like 3 when I helped out random people.
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[quote=Fluorescing]So in the end, exp should be kept as it is. Stop ruining the game, whiners jajaja[/quote]
This is a reply to what? Just trying to follow your train of thought. ANd the LHC thing wouldn't be a problem if the exp was as bad as it is.
[quote=Radiqal]Mrbasil has the whole site on his side and his petition still won't go through. what chance do you have?[/quote]
It's because his petitions are stupid (if i get suspended wow,gg)
Why would nexon take [b]away[/b] party member requirement? Soloing a PQ is not only boring but defeats the purpose of calling it a [b]party[/b] quest. There are pqs where you can solo like [b]Romeo & Juliet[/b] and [b]Evolution PQ[/b] which are the [b]main ones[/b], what more do you want? Now nexon thinks we like to solo everything, look at maple now (read this thread).
I forgot his other petition but it was prob stupid too, I think him making a whole script to nexon? Grow up, that's no formal way of [b]demanding[/b] a change in their own game. The sharing tag is to keep people from being OP (keeping it balanced) and a lost to nexon's fortune. If i had [b]1,000%[/b] all stats equips (czhelm,chtp, and whatnot), I can easily transfer to new character and making it OP but if I didn't I'd prob only have [b]2,000-3,000%[/b] stats instead of [b]11,000% +[/b]. See the difference? Nexon is a company, you expect it to not make money whenever it can?
OT: It's worth asking them but don't expect much, you can also go for 2 options since it's better than 1 (Make self exp better or bring back normal party exp)
They dont, but lhc gives more exp than ours does
@angelichope: LOL
I feel your pain. I'm just laughing b/c I died like 40 times trying to get from 107-110 today. Takes me forever to train archers, AB, and mages b/c they keep taking so much damage. And the mages more because i run out of mp pots and they get 1 shotted.
[quote=dragon332211]Nexon should remove the exp penalty on all mobs. I mean I am getting 2.2k exp per mob at ToT, and I used to get 7k exp per mob. I feel sorry for the people who are training past lvl 22x.[/quote]
You'll be glad to know this get removed in a patch or two, KMS had it as well and it got removed in either thunder breaker or wind archer revamp, can't remember which one.
Nexon should remove the exp penalty on all mobs. I mean I am getting 2.2k exp per mob at ToT, and I used to get 7k exp per mob. I feel sorry for the people who are training past lvl 22x.
[quote=samstergx]Sorry I disagree, I have met a lot of new people since now pqs are a great source of experience.
I actually like this new change.[/quote]
I agree. I something needs to change so people stop soloing HoH so the people that need to party can, I can only carry the new guildies/allies/friends so much. I'm not super funded.
[quote=Fluorescing]It's better the way it is.
You're a dual blade anyway; should be relatively easy for you[/quote]
Nope. I'm 50k buffed. And since this patch I get hit a lot when I don't move or am not in Dark Sight. I onlt hit like 200k w/ BF, which ppl prefer that i use, but i have to FA + BS to not die since potting doesn't always work instantly. See I can level fine alone. I'm bothered by the fact that I have guidy's allies etc and even the random people trying to train cant b/c somone strong goes in or is in the party and then they see they are only getting slightly less exp than solo and decide to solo the map.
DIPQ is good exp. Evo, even/especially w/ party,, is good untill 171 b/c of exp penalty. I'm just concerned about the people that can't level. Well that aan the stupid amount of lag you get when everyone is trying to solo a channel. It is fine as is. I just...wihs people would do that. Doing everything in self interest w/o regard for others is the detriment that the MS community faces.
And 90% avoid is as great as you think, our dondge rate actually turned out to be an evasion rate so our chance to avoid is severly crippled.
Its basically avoid vx mob accuracy * 1.7 w/ all "dodge" skills maxed which is next to nothing since our ability to avoid bases off of our avoid stat vs the monsters accuracy is capped a t 90% if we are already at that cap it can only grow in the mob's favor since their accuracy scales with level. All archers and thieves need actual dodge rate skills because they decided to boost the damage mobs do as well. The one off time I used to get hit at HoH was like 3k hp, now its like 5-7k. With all my links on I only have 15k. My warriors and pirates are fine at their various levels as long as I keep mu buffs up, and its not too bad with them off unless there's a gross level difference.
And when i say hard I mean this: Some classes hit harder than others with no "funding." I use funding loosely becaue I got to 50k range by doing events and stuff and my weps still aren't done so I can maybe go to 60 or 70k when/if i finish scrolling them. And while DB's hits harder than most and faster than most and is # 1 if we go by burst damage b/c of Asura but its not like we can keep using it nonstop.
Most Adventurers are weaker than DB and CS, Phantom and Merc hit fast, but have low damage in general if not funded. We do get new players and stuff and not everyone has a 200. Some people want to go and have just one, some people like to pq, some people like to grind with a party or solo. We should have options that are equally beneficial so that people don't feel forced into one thing.
You want to bos, everyone wants to solo b/c drops are most important. Go in a group like I do to help ppl, random person takes books for a class they don't have. There's always positve with the negative but when it affects the server this badly something should probably be done. If I wanted to get from where i am to 200 in a few hours I can. But as long as the "funded" feel that the exp is better solo the game will become the situation that jesters was in the more populated server's.
120 used to be about oh hey finnally working to gether or going solo if you so choose. Now its just, lolnope cc nubs, if you dont 1hit stuff in SH.
"Kazzooey: I just want my exp to go back to 1 line is all. otherwise the exp rates are just fine.
Don't be so naiive. Here's the new legitimate formula for party training.
More party members = more people = more buffs = more damage = more killing = faster exp.
You lose out on slightly any exp but gain a much higher exp rate. Quit complaining.
Except...parties don't work that way. In HoH I end up being the one of two attackers (if I'm lucky!) while everyone else afks with no HS or whatever buffs I would have liked. So in theory, this would be fast (maybe idk) but in reality a good chunk of us are just lazy butt leechers."
1. I'm not naive.
2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naive
3. You are both right in the same context.
If you have a bunch of people with similar damage at old LHC or HoH(old or current) the buffs would increase damage = faster kills = more exp however, If there are a few people that can solo/ duo the map it was more beneficial to the leeches and the attackers. As the link in my thread-starter shows the percentage of the exp earned from the monster being split in favor of the person doing the most damage.
Leeches benefit no matter what but now the attacker is missing out on exp. THis is causing people that notice to want to solo. Even if everyone is attacking the strongest, as I saw today, would rather leav the party and solo the map. This ranged from Xenons to Kaisers to I/L's, to Luminous and one Mihile(grated he was trolling our guild and stopped after like 2mins and trained with them).
But yeah. I did this rushed and am still rushing now because I have a lot to do other than maple. I only threw this up because some people asked me and I couldnt PM mrbasil.
[quote=Fluorescing]It's better the way it is.
You're a dual blade anyway; should be relatively easy for you[/quote]
With this 90% avoid + low HP, mobs that hit multiple times could hit you within seconds.
[quote=Kazzooey]I just want my exp to go back to 1 line is all. otherwise the exp rates are just fine.
Don't be so naiive. Here's the new legitimate formula for party training.
More party members = more people = more buffs = more damage = more killing = faster exp.
You lose out on slightly any exp but gain a much higher exp rate. Quit complaining.[/quote]
Except...parties don't work that way. In HoH I end up being the one of two attackers (if I'm lucky!) while everyone else afks with no HS or whatever buffs I would have liked. So in theory, this would be fast (maybe idk) but in reality a good chunk of us are just lazy butt leechers.
This is ridiculous... It is still every easy to level in this game. I mean some ppl got to lvl 200 on their Xenon within 15hrs...
It's still pretty easy to be honest.
Sure put me in because this patch sucks like crap.
Sorry I disagree, I have met a lot of new people since now pqs are a great source of experience.
I actually like this new change.
SORRY TO EVERYONE I OFFENDED, WHEN I SAY "NOT WORTH IT" I MEAN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE SHAMING DOING PQ'S AND THE LIKE.
Many people were told that before the patch and now after the patch. Though I admit I mostly go to pq's to meet ppl. Cept for DIPQ, too many spawn ;-;
And only time I've trained as of late is either when someone wanted help getting to 200.
I would tell people to boss for exp, but not everyone can do that, and I can only go so many times a day and help out
[quote=darkchaso69]Haha op thinks hes important.
listen kid, you are just a scrub who will never get their petition "out there". So grow up and do something more productive and put down the childrens game and walk away.[/quote]
This is not about just me. I don't bother leveling often and even when I do its on 1x. I level slow usually, and that is not a problem.
The problem is that you have a majority of players that cannot train efficiently, they need a party to train 160+ and not everyone, even with events and all this other stuff in game can get a range that allows them to train efficiently, which if todays 2x is to be an example of anything If you cant solo a map you aren't gonna be training because these "pro's" feel like its a waste of their time/exp, some have party play, but now the problem with party play imo isnt that the exp is worse but that ppl dont want to party because the exp is worse. Not everyone Has a 200. It took me 3 years to get this to 184. I appreciate the way the game has changed, up untill now, the new stuff like th theme park is good. But what is the point in a MMO where there is no reason, so far as others see it, to do anything together?
Sure I can do it w/ my irl friends but you cant just try to get a group togethr for anything as of this patch because no one wants to do anything.
And clearly if you find the need to try to talk down to somone you don't know and condemn them without knowing their purpose that surely makes you better than some randomm person you categorize as a kid just because it fits your purposes in the situation. Seem's just like the people tellin all the people i see theyy cant train in HoH b/c they dont spen hundreds on the game to 1 shot mobs. And at no point did I want this simply for myself, all this would do is make evo a quicker way to level for me, and thts just a sie effect of helping out my bro and getting juniper seeds so that he can sell potions. So "eh"
[quote=AckarRed]They removed the most broken areas, you people complain.
They now give you more maps to go to, you people don't like them.
You now have a choice to explore the entire Maple world instead of going Aliens/MP3/Jesters/LHC, you people don't want to.
I don't know what will satisify your kind anymore.[/quote]
I never complained about the old training spots only thing I used to and still to this day complain about is that fact that no one wants to do anything together anymore. BOsses cant even be done with a party in some cases atm. Cyg for example does nonstop dr w/ 3+ ppl in the room, there is no way to time it, which isn't really an issue with crash, bind, and that one phantom skill, but it becomes one when she reacasts it so quickly that you can't even do much damage to her unless you are a DS or Kaiser. Go do Magnus solo, like my guild leader, or with a party like me and you have to get extremely lucky once he's down to 10% because he starts spamming that green move multiple times in a second and it auto-kills. If no one gets a bind off on him you will fail you run.
The PQ's are no longer really worth it unless you are trying for monster cards or rewards once you pass 100/120+ because training for a few levels and then doing them for fun, or bossing for fun is quicker, and usually more fun because hey, you can talk to people and you never know where the conversation can go.
And I can get 12% per day from BG. Only reason i made this is b/c I saw for myself and heard ppl in YMCK complaining about this, wondering why they did the removal of the high end exp places because if people had the option to go there the alternatives would have space, I didn't even know or notice b/c I'd been pqing with the same people for days and hadn't actually ben doing any grinding. Sure we had some packed 2x events, but tbqh there were usually jesters channels open because ppl did monster park with friends, pq'ed, bossed, anything because it was fun to be with someone else. Plain and simple.
I can't speak for everyone, I am speaking for those that have voiced their complaints.
On a personal level, idc about the exp, 170 in a few months is good to me, I just want to have fun doing stuff w/ ppl. Hell, my xenon is 67 b/c i only level it w/ pq's. And i leave the pq if no one to talks, I'm there to socialize more than to grind. I made a UA Bucc, outside of just loving the way they play and messing around in general, just so the lower levels in our ally that are new can have somone to teach them things and be at their pace on how to do pq's, bosses, etc. The only time I care about level is when there is story content I wanna do, which is what my only char over 135 is for and if i decide to main something else.
bring back lhc and make a hard core server for the pro pre big bang cry babies
i lved my jett from lv 1 to lv 100 even with the nerf and i have a lv 56 paladin from pre big bang in another server
i have been there
besides i am a ccollege student and i haev little to no time to play so party play really brought me back
and now that its gone i have been missing out on maple
bring back party play and shut these pro's up with a low rate server(i think it was called supreme world)
then wait for them to say its to hard
- mapler since pirate update
I think Nexon should have left LHC, but lowered the experience rate on, so leeching would give less experience and force people to actually train instead of hanging on a rope and leveling the easy way.
[quote=lulzace]
It's better to have tried and failed, and they listened to all the people complaining before so if we are careful about how we word it this time we can get more training areas and then partying can actually b worth it. You don't simply break exp in your game to cater to ppl that wanna do pq's, boost the exp of more areas, boost the reward exp from pq's and then we'd be all good.[/quote]
They removed the most broken areas, you people complain.
They now give you more maps to go to, you people don't like them.
You now have a choice to explore the entire Maple world instead of going Aliens/MP3/Jesters/LHC, you people don't want to.
I don't know what will satisify your kind anymore.
No, the exp curve and the training speed is perfect now
no this makes people not want to party and solo like prebb cuse pt=exp lost and no 1 wants that
Oh look another person angry at how they can't reach 200 so quickly anymore.
Oh wait, you can.
Haha op thinks hes important.
listen kid, you are just a scrub who will never get their petition "out there". So grow up and do something more productive and put down the childrens game and walk away.
The penalty is lame, especially because Stone Golems are affected. The party play thing on the other hand, I really don't care about. Face it, getting 5-6 levels at 160+ an hour is absolutely ridiculous. You should have to actually play the game instead of getting to 200 in an hour and a half.
Might as well talk to a wall. The sheer effort generated from your voice may move that better than Nexon employees' minds.
I agree with this thread, but please.. stop with the petitions. No matter how many players are gathered, this doesn't serve as an effective way to show support for an idea. It's better to go directly, which isn't possible with means like this. I'm just saying this because I hate to see players' expectations fall.
[quote=radkai]Fixed. You are welcome[/quote]
Basically the same thing but yea sure
I just want my exp to go back to 1 line is all. otherwise the exp rates are just fine.
Don't be so naiive. Here's the new legitimate formula for party training.
More party members = more people = more buffs = more damage = more killing = faster exp.
You lose out on slightly any exp but gain a much higher exp rate. Quit complaining.
[quote=Radiqal]Mrbasil has the whole site on his side and his petition still won't go through. what chance do you have?[/quote]
This isn't about me, its about the game. If the game dies everyone including Nexon loses out, this is one of their biggest money makers and the go-to-game for many. I'd rather get this out there and see what we can get done rather than sitting around knowing, and not doing anything.
It's better to have tried and failed, and they listened to all the people complaining before so if we are careful about how we word it this time we can get more training areas and then partying can actually b worth it. You don't simply break exp in your game to cater to ppl that wanna do pq's, boost the exp of more areas, boost the reward exp from pq's and then we'd be all good.
[quote=daeyun]I like it now It's [b]time consuming[/b], but at least it's not ridiculously [b]fast[/b].[/quote]
Fixed. You are welcome
How about a no?
i only want lhc back idc if aliens and jesters got nerfed but 110 - 165 is time consuming
I like it the way it is.
I'll definitely sign. Without LHC 2x doesn't feel like 2x anymore.
Mrbasil has the whole site on his side and his petition still won't go through. what chance do you have?
I like it now It's hard, but at least it's not ridiculously easy.