[quote=d4rkxStrIfe]DotA Allstars (good old Battle.net days) still has a population that's around ~15 million, as not all players have transitioned over to DotA 2. DotA 2 is still not released in China due to licensing/redesigning to fit government standards and is still in beta for Korea (as Nexon owns the rights to it there). Technically DotA has existed for far longer than LoL (first DotA map was created in 2003, LoL was released in 2009).
If you were to directly compare which game was more pay to win, LoL would be the one, albeit offering small advantages (but still an advantage nonetheless) under certain conditions. For example, if a person were to purchase champions and runepages against opponents of similar skill who don't do so, that person has the slight edge of having access to more champion picks, counters, and possible rune combinations (this is more of a moot point though).
You are correct that LoL is more popular due to its more casual nature, which some (even people among the LoL community) would argue is becoming bland. It's the same reason why CoD will forever be more popular than Counter Strike. However, popularity doesn't necessarily translate into better game design.
There are objective points over what game offers more than the other, then there are individual opinions on why one game is better than the other.[/quote]
I'd say CS:S and CS:GO aren't very popular because Valve isn't popularizing it as much as Dota 2 and TF2. If Valve decided to give more attention to the CS franchise, it could easily surpass CoD atm. Call of Duty is a rapidly dying game title with each release being the exact same one as it's predecessor.
[quote=LamboRev]Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.[/quote]
DotA Allstars (good old Battle.net days) still has a population that's around ~15 million, as not all players have transitioned over to DotA 2. DotA 2 is still not released in China due to licensing/redesigning to fit government standards and is still in beta for Korea (as Nexon owns the rights to it there). Technically DotA has existed for far longer than LoL (first DotA map was created in 2003, LoL was released in 2009).
If you were to directly compare which game was more pay to win, LoL would be the one, albeit offering small advantages (but still an advantage nonetheless) under certain conditions. For example, if a person were to purchase champions and runepages against opponents of similar skill who don't do so, that person has the slight edge of having access to more champion picks, counters, and possible rune combinations (this is more of a moot point though).
You are correct that LoL is more popular due to its more casual nature, which some (even people among the LoL community) would argue is becoming bland. It's the same reason why CoD will forever be more popular than Counter Strike. However, popularity doesn't necessarily translate into better game design.
There are objective points over what game offers more than the other, then there are individual opinions on why one game is better than the other.
[quote=LamboRev]Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.[/quote]
You realize that from the time Dota 2 was in beta two months ago to when it was fully released, it went from ~400,000 UNIQUE players (not people who made an account two years ago and never touched the game again, cough cough riot) to OVER 5,000,000 unique players. This was in about a month.
[quote=KyShadow]A friendly question, What would you say the benefits of playing Dota 2 over league would be? and any tips you would suggest to a new player? [/quote]
When Dota2 says Free to Play, it means FREE TO PLAY. League charges you for champions. Dota2 only charges for cosmetic items.
Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.
I play both Dota 2 and LoL. I find Dota 2 to be a little more difficult but maybe that's because I've only been playing for half a year compared to LoL which I played for over a year. I enjoy playing LoL a lot more. It's simplicity is what I enjoy the most.
The fact is right now League of Legends is more popular. It doesn't matter what game you think is more superior, just take a look at the All Stars tourney this year I think there was a total of 18million viewers?(I might need to double check that). I'm curious to see how Season 3 tourney will do.
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.
@Only17: yet again your ego comes in. "OH a item that gives me free stuff and is a great deal and the prize pool is so much bigger makes dota better, this is the reason it was on tv" Tell me is the TI3 being played at the STAPLES CENTER? Tell me is the TI3 prize pool even bigger then the money Riot has spent? Tell me please do. Your fan boyism is the only thing you have. You come here every day on why DoTa is so much better then every single MOBA yet you can't face the facts when I tell you it isn't its just like any other MOBA. You think you need every champion to have fun? oh lord you have some issues.[/quote] http://kappatime.com/upload/20130813231046uid6.jpg at the rate riot's blowing through their stash of money and the amount of money they're receiving from skins, they'll be broke in about a year, maybe two
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: 1 million? LMAO. I dont see where you came up with that number. Ik for a fact your final game was 400k on tww1tch. so I would assume 500k maybe 600k. Which is what league season 2 got. That is only your FINAL game. Even riot was nice enough to not host league tournys while your little tourny went on out of respect but you clearly dont deserve that.[/quote]
there were 400k viewers on tww1tch, 250k viewers in chinese streams, 300k viewers in dotatv, numerous unofficial tv broadcasts, and pubs nationwide with hundreds of people, yeah, not even [b]close[/b] to a million edit: ninja'd
[quote=MangoLog]'[b]Funny how you talk about prize pools where Valve let players donate to increase it not only that but the rewards you get ingame are essentially making it pay 2 be better then the person that doesnt donate.[/b]'
You yourself said that on page 2 of this thread. '....pay to be better than the person that doesn't donate.' Doesn't that imply that you're saying that gameplay wise a player will be better by donating? And when did I say or imply that the compendium isn't a good deal?[/quote]
Compendium rewards were only cosmetics/fun factor for TI3 (courier skin, a random weapon skin, hosting an All-Star game during TI3, and potentially allowed you to choose the next hero for release if the $3.2m goal was reached). Your argument is basically along the lines of "TF2 is pay 2 be better because you can buy hats." Having a compendium in no way gave you an edge at the game.
Well, i just read this entire thread and I honestly can say after playing all three Moba game like that other person in the previous pages. I find Hon and Dota 2 much better to play than LoL. Mostly reason bein g is that, LoL really does feel to slow. The game takes a long while to pick up and the "Op" thin people were arguing about. I reckon LoL is the one with over powered attributes. Im talking about the runes you get, you could start off the game with more gold than regular. Or you could get passive life steal. Like seriously? Anyhow, I find Hon and Dota 2 better than LoL simply being it's also more of a challenge and games dont take eternity.
@MangoLog: My example proves it. I dont play DoTa so i wouldn't know but you still fail to realize that if League had something that was worth 50 dollars but is being sold for 10 dollars people would buy that as well. And guess what it makes our prize pool larger too! But you know what we don't have that and regardless our prize pool is still higher.
@MangoLog: Better characters and better items. I am simply saying (For example: that of course I would buy say a PS4 for 100 dollars if its worth 400).
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: Pay 2 be better. Is completely different then pay 2 win or pay 2 be better gameplay. I never said anything about it making a person in a 1v1 or 5v5 having a advantage cause they bought it.[/quote]
Okay let's say compendiums were p2b better, that is still not as bad as charging for champions so that argument is =null
You say valve used donations from the compendium to increase the prizepool, but.. Doesn't riot take that champion money and do the same thing? Again your argument =null.
@MangoLog: Pay 2 be better. Is completely different then pay 2 win or pay 2 be better gameplay. I never said anything about it making a person in a 1v1 or 5v5 having a advantage cause they bought it.
[quote=KingsGlory]Where the hell do you get off insulting everyone who plays a different game than you? You can insult him all you want but why the hell are you hating on a community?[/quote]
i never asked any LoL players to come in this thread and insult dota2, i just posted about how it was on TV which is a big deal for esports as a whole, but fanboys want to fanboy so ill fangurl back
@Only17: LOL. Anyone that plays both game and doesn't have a big ego will say THEY ARE BOTH MOBAS. Sadly all you think is DoTa 2 is da bes da bes HON and league suck and so does smite! oh they all suck. So sad how I am still reading these posts.
[quote=Only17]He was right but you must be a little slow guess thats why you play LoL.[/quote]
Where the hell do you get off insulting everyone who plays a different game than you? You can insult him all you want but why the hell are you hating on a community?
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: LOL. What you still come back the the point that DoTa is better when its just like any other MOBA. I love how you assume its rage when you simply can't provide the facts you claim.[/quote]
Anybody that plays both LoL and dota will tell you that dota is the better game, LoL is just a watered down version for casuals so it appeals to a larger crowd.
@Only17: LOL. What you still come back the the point that DoTa is better when its just like any other MOBA. I love how you assume its rage when you simply can't provide the facts you claim.
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.[/quote]
btw it isnt donating when you're getting more than you paid for. and again bigger =/= better keep raging, i love the LoL nerd tears. You say i come here everday and post about dota but i bet my last dota post was at least a month ago. Better arguments pls
@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.
@Only17: yet again your ego comes in. "OH a item that gives me free stuff and is a great deal and the prize pool is so much bigger makes dota better, this is the reason it was on tv" Tell me is the TI3 being played at the STAPLES CENTER? Tell me is the TI3 prize pool even bigger then the money Riot has spent? Tell me please do. Your fan boyism is the only thing you have. You come here every day on why DoTa is so much better then every single MOBA yet you can't face the facts when I tell you it isn't its just like any other MOBA. You think you need every champion to have fun? oh lord you have some issues.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: You mean to tell me if I can get 10 skins for the price of 1 skin I am still not going to spend the money when I can get 9 free skins? yet again a DoTa fan that thinks you need to buy gameplay on league. Oh its so sad just reading your cancerous posts.[/quote]
Yeah thats why it was a good idea for valve to make this item, because of the prizepool dota2 was on TV and gave exposure to not only itself but esports as a whole but i can see that ur fanboyism is getting in the way of the bigger picture. Also buying and unlocking a champion isnt buying gameplay? oh. Theres no doubt that LoL is bigger, but better? not even close.
@Only17: You mean to tell me if I can get 10 skins for the price of 1 skin I am still not going to spend the money when I can get 9 free skins? yet again a DoTa fan that thinks you need to buy gameplay on league. Oh its so sad just reading your cancerous posts.
[quote=cool123ter]yet again fail to come to the original point of my many previous posts and fail to comprehend the basic english in a mere 2 sentence post. "The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid." "[b] I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?[/b]"
DoTa 2 player mentality = I am too ignorant to read so I will assume what I want when I want and judge a whole games player base.[/quote]
And u failed to understand that cosmetics are next to irrelevant in dota2 because, Dota 2 unlike LoL is about the gameplay, and the most that 50$ bonus will do for you is fill your inventory up with junk you wont even need.
[quote=Only17]LoL player mentality = Cosmetic items that do nothing makes you better than the average player Whereas having to pay for champs is totally fine.[/quote]
yet again fail to come to the original point of my many previous posts and fail to comprehend the basic english in a mere 2 sentence post. "The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid." "[b] I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?[/b]"
DoTa 2 player mentality = I am too ignorant to read so I will assume what I want when I want and judge a whole games player base.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: I never said pay 2 win exactly. I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?) so please read again. I dont see how anything he said was right and by he I am sure it means you. The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid. Even with League players not donating money to the prize pool our prize pool is STILL higher.[/quote]
LoL player mentality = Cosmetic items that do nothing makes you better than the average player Whereas having to pay for champs is totally fine. btw exp in dota2 is for more cosmetics cus i can tell you havent even touched the game
Im actually glad LoL exists, it filters the kiddies like you out of dota2
@Only17: I never said pay 2 win exactly. I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?) so please read again. I dont see how anything he said was right and by he I am sure it means you. The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid. Even with League players not donating money to the prize pool our prize pool is STILL higher.
@MangoLog: The term is still very true. The compendium gives you things that make the person who didn't buy it's contents character worse. You mean to tell me that DoTa fans aren't gonna go to DoTa 2 and play DoTa? Please. I dont see your point at all. DoTa has been around longer then League yet league still has the bigger fan base and money. Sad how you can't just admit it.
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: OH SNAP I BROUGHT THE DUDES SMURF OUT TO DEFEND HIMSELF! League of Legends has been longer then DoTa? WHAT? LMAO. The links I have posted have been facts and you yourself seem to care about viewership so should I. This was nothing about popularity in the first place since you feel the need to post a link about how DoTa is on the news. Let me copy paste the things you missed about donating: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_International_2013_Interactive_Compendium_Bundle
Please man just post on your main no need to look for smurfs.[/quote]
He was right but you must be a little slow guess thats why you play LoL.
the compendium gave no gameplay advantages to any players, they gave many cosmetic items and an exp bonus, they also came with a HUD that was shared with every player in the player's game even those without compendiums, so please dont bring Pay to win up, i dont need help winning this argument.
Another debunk, The compendiium was not seen as a donation, in fact you were able to sell just ONE of the items that it gave you on the market for 90% of the price of the compendium, it was worth well over the price and it was a great marketing decision by valve
Dota 2 caters to a very small and specific crowd of people who are elitist for no good reason; it should be obvious that League is doing better because it appeals to a greater population, the gamers you refer to as "casuals"
I wasn't going to say anything but it seems like you really think Dota 2 is somehow much more amazing than league of legends
@MangoLog: OH SNAP I BROUGHT THE DUDES SMURF OUT TO DEFEND HIMSELF! League of Legends has been longer then DoTa? WHAT? LMAO. The links I have posted have been facts and you yourself seem to care about viewership so should I. This was nothing about popularity in the first place since you feel the need to post a link about how DoTa is on the news. Let me copy paste the things you missed about donating: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_International_2013_Interactive_Compendium_Bundle
Please man just post on your main no need to look for smurfs.
I find DOTA 2 to be more challenging and fun to be honest, coming from someone who's played DOTA/2/LoL/HoN. I found League just, not fun. I think it's because League is so passive and not proactive in PUBS.
So before you all go belittling my point on "Hey look at so-and-so game from TI3 that score was low". These are games where the ramifications are a loss of 1.4 million dollars, of course you're not gonna go balls up when it's a best of 1 series.
@KyShadow: Dota2 is a harder version of LoL. Basically, if you want casual play, but still somewhat challenging moba play LoL. If you want competitive, hard but rewarding heros and gamplay then play Dota2
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: Where is season 3 for league. Thats right stick to your old un-updated websites. 1.1 Million in SEASON 2 > 1 million in season 3. Yea please go back to your bridge.[/quote]
Seems like you are forgetting ti3 is just one tournament not the whole season... shall i add all the other dota2 prizepools between ti2 -ti3?
@Only17: Where is season 3 for league. Thats right stick to your old un-updated websites. 1.1 Million in SEASON 2 > 1 million in season 3. Yea please go back to your bridge.
@mac9090 thats simple fact logic right there. Compare side by side screenshots of each game and tell me which game is it easier to figure things out just by looking at the screenshot? This had nothing to do about pro players playing the other game, this was simply as a normal person going into 2 DIFFERENT GAMES just by the visual and the player case can tell that League would be a easier game. The players on league are worse then those on DoTa which is a fact.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: They already beat the prize pool? LOL what. So ignorant the facts are in front of you but you seem to ignore them. Lol never seen a guy be more stupid as this one.[/quote]
[quote=cool123ter]@KyShadow if you want the easier game to learn then its LoL. But in both games as you start off you will be majority attacked.[/quote]
This logic... Have you ever even played dota 2? Professional League players can't play dota on a competitive level and Professional dota players cannot play league on a competitive level, so I believe your views on this are very unrealistic and flawed.
Who even cares.. They are different games and both have their pros and cons, just agree to disagree and move on. Both games can be challenging and honestly shut up about the money pools. Are either of you making that money from playing your respective game? No, therefore it doesn't concern you.
@Only17: They already beat the prize pool? LOL what. So ignorant the facts are in front of you but you seem to ignore them. Lol never seen a guy be more stupid as this one.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: OH SNAP YOU PROVIDED A LINK! http://www.polygon.com/2012/10/23/3542424/league-of-legends-final-attracts-8-2-million-viewers-season-2 Thanks raging DoTa 2 fanboi. Funny how you talk about prize pools where Valve let players donate to increase it not only that but the rewards you get ingame are essentially making it pay 2 be better then the person that doesnt donate. BTW: http://www.gamespot.com/news/league-of-legends-season-3-world-championships-to-be-held-at-staples-center-6411299 18 MILLION just for an allstar tournament which I might add was very inconvenient for NA watchers as it was at 12 am. Not only that but riot has confirmed that they will be paying an upwards of 10 million dollars this season in prize pool and salaries money to the players.[/quote]
really 1m vs 1.1m? good argument and i doubt riot will beat ti3 prize pool but w.e i really dont care about LoL or what riot does with LoL it will always be dota's baby
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[quote=ProBlades]When Dota2 says Free to Play, it means FREE TO PLAY. League charges you for champions. Dota2 only charges for cosmetic items.[/quote]
League is free to play too.
MOBA is one of the worst genres of cooperative online games; too many players get too competitive and toxic, which is an undeniable truth.
Arguing whether DotA or LoL is better is like debating whether eating cat poo or rabbit poo is worse.
[quote=d4rkxStrIfe](as Nexon owns the rights to it there)[/quote]
Oh god
[quote=d4rkxStrIfe]DotA Allstars (good old Battle.net days) still has a population that's around ~15 million, as not all players have transitioned over to DotA 2. DotA 2 is still not released in China due to licensing/redesigning to fit government standards and is still in beta for Korea (as Nexon owns the rights to it there). Technically DotA has existed for far longer than LoL (first DotA map was created in 2003, LoL was released in 2009).
If you were to directly compare which game was more pay to win, LoL would be the one, albeit offering small advantages (but still an advantage nonetheless) under certain conditions. For example, if a person were to purchase champions and runepages against opponents of similar skill who don't do so, that person has the slight edge of having access to more champion picks, counters, and possible rune combinations (this is more of a moot point though).
You are correct that LoL is more popular due to its more casual nature, which some (even people among the LoL community) would argue is becoming bland. It's the same reason why CoD will forever be more popular than Counter Strike. However, popularity doesn't necessarily translate into better game design.
There are objective points over what game offers more than the other, then there are individual opinions on why one game is better than the other.[/quote]
I'd say CS:S and CS:GO aren't very popular because Valve isn't popularizing it as much as Dota 2 and TF2. If Valve decided to give more attention to the CS franchise, it could easily surpass CoD atm. Call of Duty is a rapidly dying game title with each release being the exact same one as it's predecessor.
[quote=LamboRev]Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.[/quote]
DotA Allstars (good old Battle.net days) still has a population that's around ~15 million, as not all players have transitioned over to DotA 2. DotA 2 is still not released in China due to licensing/redesigning to fit government standards and is still in beta for Korea (as Nexon owns the rights to it there). Technically DotA has existed for far longer than LoL (first DotA map was created in 2003, LoL was released in 2009).
If you were to directly compare which game was more pay to win, LoL would be the one, albeit offering small advantages (but still an advantage nonetheless) under certain conditions. For example, if a person were to purchase champions and runepages against opponents of similar skill who don't do so, that person has the slight edge of having access to more champion picks, counters, and possible rune combinations (this is more of a moot point though).
You are correct that LoL is more popular due to its more casual nature, which some (even people among the LoL community) would argue is becoming bland. It's the same reason why CoD will forever be more popular than Counter Strike. However, popularity doesn't necessarily translate into better game design.
There are objective points over what game offers more than the other, then there are individual opinions on why one game is better than the other.
[quote=LamboRev]Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.[/quote]
You realize that from the time Dota 2 was in beta two months ago to when it was fully released, it went from ~400,000 UNIQUE players (not people who made an account two years ago and never touched the game again, cough cough riot) to OVER 5,000,000 unique players. This was in about a month.
[quote=KyShadow]A friendly question, What would you say the benefits of playing Dota 2 over league would be? and any tips you would suggest to a new player? [/quote]
When Dota2 says Free to Play, it means FREE TO PLAY. League charges you for champions. Dota2 only charges for cosmetic items.
Both LoL and Dota 2 are both no pay to win. End of story. LoL is more popular cause it was public for long ass time. Dota 2 was under development for long ass time. To be honest LoL would still have more players than Dota 2 even if it wasn't public for long time. LoL is more casual and easier to play.
I have more fun playing Dota 2 than LOL to be honest, I love Dota 2's gameplay more and Dragon Knight > Shyvana.
LoL is still far more popular... so theres that.
I'm about to soooaaaaaaaaaaaak.
I play both Dota 2 and LoL. I find Dota 2 to be a little more difficult but maybe that's because I've only been playing for half a year compared to LoL which I played for over a year. I enjoy playing LoL a lot more. It's simplicity is what I enjoy the most.
The fact is right now League of Legends is more popular. It doesn't matter what game you think is more superior, just take a look at the All Stars tourney this year I think there was a total of 18million viewers?(I might need to double check that). I'm curious to see how Season 3 tourney will do.
@MangoLog: did you not read my example? or what? Just like RP makes a character look better so do cosmetics.
I find Dota to be a lot easier then LoL ... Maybe it's cause I've been playing Dota 1 for nearly 6 years ..
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.
@Only17: yet again your ego comes in. "OH a item that gives me free stuff and is a great deal and the prize pool is so much bigger makes dota better, this is the reason it was on tv" Tell me is the TI3 being played at the STAPLES CENTER? Tell me is the TI3 prize pool even bigger then the money Riot has spent? Tell me please do. Your fan boyism is the only thing you have. You come here every day on why DoTa is so much better then every single MOBA yet you can't face the facts when I tell you it isn't its just like any other MOBA. You think you need every champion to have fun? oh lord you have some issues.[/quote]
http://kappatime.com/upload/20130813231046uid6.jpg
at the rate riot's blowing through their stash of money and the amount of money they're receiving from skins, they'll be broke in about a year, maybe two
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: 1 million? LMAO. I dont see where you came up with that number. Ik for a fact your final game was 400k on tww1tch. so I would assume 500k maybe 600k. Which is what league season 2 got. That is only your FINAL game. Even riot was nice enough to not host league tournys while your little tourny went on out of respect but you clearly dont deserve that.[/quote]
there were 400k viewers on tww1tch, 250k viewers in chinese streams, 300k viewers in dotatv, numerous unofficial tv broadcasts, and pubs nationwide with hundreds of people, yeah, not even [b]close[/b] to a million
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[quote=MangoLog]'[b]Funny how you talk about prize pools where Valve let players donate to increase it not only that but the rewards you get ingame are essentially making it pay 2 be better then the person that doesnt donate.[/b]'
You yourself said that on page 2 of this thread. '....pay to be better than the person that doesn't donate.' Doesn't that imply that you're saying that gameplay wise a player will be better by donating? And when did I say or imply that the compendium isn't a good deal?[/quote]
Compendium rewards were only cosmetics/fun factor for TI3 (courier skin, a random weapon skin, hosting an All-Star game during TI3, and potentially allowed you to choose the next hero for release if the $3.2m goal was reached). Your argument is basically along the lines of "TF2 is pay 2 be better because you can buy hats." Having a compendium in no way gave you an edge at the game.
Someone's clearly just too butthurt to accept the fact that LoL is not the greatest thing ever conceived.
Well, i just read this entire thread and I honestly can say after playing all three Moba game like that other person in the previous pages. I find Hon and Dota 2 much better to play than LoL. Mostly reason bein g is that, LoL really does feel to slow. The game takes a long while to pick up and the "Op" thin people were arguing about. I reckon LoL is the one with over powered attributes. Im talking about the runes you get, you could start off the game with more gold than regular. Or you could get passive life steal. Like seriously? Anyhow, I find Hon and Dota 2 better than LoL simply being it's also more of a challenge and games dont take eternity.
@MangoLog: My example proves it. I dont play DoTa so i wouldn't know but you still fail to realize that if League had something that was worth 50 dollars but is being sold for 10 dollars people would buy that as well. And guess what it makes our prize pool larger too! But you know what we don't have that and regardless our prize pool is still higher.
All I see in this thread are a bunch of nerds arguing over cheetos vs hot cheetos and circlejerking each others' opinions.
@MangoLog: Better characters and better items. I am simply saying (For example: that of course I would buy say a PS4 for 100 dollars if its worth 400).
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: Pay 2 be better. Is completely different then pay 2 win or pay 2 be better gameplay. I never said anything about it making a person in a 1v1 or 5v5 having a advantage cause they bought it.[/quote]
Okay let's say compendiums were p2b better, that is still not as bad as charging for champions so that argument is =null
You say valve used donations from the compendium to increase the prizepool, but.. Doesn't riot take that champion money and do the same thing?
Again your argument =null.
@MangoLog: Pay 2 be better. Is completely different then pay 2 win or pay 2 be better gameplay. I never said anything about it making a person in a 1v1 or 5v5 having a advantage cause they bought it.
[quote=KingsGlory]Where the hell do you get off insulting everyone who plays a different game than you? You can insult him all you want but why the hell are you hating on a community?[/quote]
i never asked any LoL players to come in this thread and insult dota2, i just posted about how it was on TV which is a big deal for esports as a whole, but fanboys want to fanboy so ill fangurl back
@Only17: LOL. Anyone that plays both game and doesn't have a big ego will say THEY ARE BOTH MOBAS. Sadly all you think is DoTa 2 is da bes da bes HON and league suck and so does smite! oh they all suck. So sad how I am still reading these posts.
[quote=Only17]He was right but you must be a little slow guess thats why you play LoL.[/quote]
Where the hell do you get off insulting everyone who plays a different game than you? You can insult him all you want but why the hell are you hating on a community?
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: LOL. What you still come back the the point that DoTa is better when its just like any other MOBA. I love how you assume its rage when you simply can't provide the facts you claim.[/quote]
Anybody that plays both LoL and dota will tell you that dota is the better game, LoL is just a watered down version for casuals so it appeals to a larger crowd.
@Only17: LOL. What you still come back the the point that DoTa is better when its just like any other MOBA. I love how you assume its rage when you simply can't provide the facts you claim.
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.[/quote]
btw it isnt donating when you're getting more than you paid for.
and again bigger =/= better
keep raging, i love the LoL nerd tears.
You say i come here everday and post about dota but i bet my last dota post was at least a month ago.
Better arguments pls
@MangoLog: So you get 50 dollars worth of cosmetics for paying 10 dollars. I dont see how you think that does not make it a good deal to buy the compedium. I never said gameplay wise a player will be better. Please read.
@Only17: yet again your ego comes in. "OH a item that gives me free stuff and is a great deal and the prize pool is so much bigger makes dota better, this is the reason it was on tv" Tell me is the TI3 being played at the STAPLES CENTER? Tell me is the TI3 prize pool even bigger then the money Riot has spent? Tell me please do. Your fan boyism is the only thing you have. You come here every day on why DoTa is so much better then every single MOBA yet you can't face the facts when I tell you it isn't its just like any other MOBA. You think you need every champion to have fun? oh lord you have some issues.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: You mean to tell me if I can get 10 skins for the price of 1 skin I am still not going to spend the money when I can get 9 free skins? yet again a DoTa fan that thinks you need to buy gameplay on league. Oh its so sad just reading your cancerous posts.[/quote]
Yeah thats why it was a good idea for valve to make this item, because of the prizepool dota2 was on TV and gave exposure to not only itself but esports as a whole but i can see that ur fanboyism is getting in the way of the bigger picture.
Also buying and unlocking a champion isnt buying gameplay? oh.
Theres no doubt that LoL is bigger, but better? not even close.
@Only17: You mean to tell me if I can get 10 skins for the price of 1 skin I am still not going to spend the money when I can get 9 free skins? yet again a DoTa fan that thinks you need to buy gameplay on league. Oh its so sad just reading your cancerous posts.
[quote=cool123ter]yet again fail to come to the original point of my many previous posts and fail to comprehend the basic english in a mere 2 sentence post.
"The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid." "[b] I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?[/b]"
DoTa 2 player mentality = I am too ignorant to read so I will assume what I want when I want and judge a whole games player base.[/quote]
And u failed to understand that cosmetics are next to irrelevant in dota2 because, Dota 2 unlike LoL is about the gameplay, and the most that 50$ bonus will do for you is fill your inventory up with junk you wont even need.
[quote=Only17]LoL player mentality = Cosmetic items that do nothing makes you better than the average player Whereas having to pay for champs is totally fine.[/quote]
yet again fail to come to the original point of my many previous posts and fail to comprehend the basic english in a mere 2 sentence post.
"The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid." "[b] I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?[/b]"
DoTa 2 player mentality = I am too ignorant to read so I will assume what I want when I want and judge a whole games player base.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: I never said pay 2 win exactly. I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?) so please read again. I dont see how anything he said was right and by he I am sure it means you. The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid. Even with League players not donating money to the prize pool our prize pool is STILL higher.[/quote]
LoL player mentality = Cosmetic items that do nothing makes you better than the average player Whereas having to pay for champs is totally fine.
btw exp in dota2 is for more cosmetics cus i can tell you havent even touched the game
Im actually glad LoL exists, it filters the kiddies like you out of dota2
@Only17: I never said pay 2 win exactly. I said it makes you better then the average player (which free cosmetics and exp thats worth 50 dollars?) so please read again. I dont see how anything he said was right and by he I am sure it means you. The compedium was a bonus worth well over 50 dollars for the mere 10 dollars it paid. Even with League players not donating money to the prize pool our prize pool is STILL higher.
@MangoLog: The term is still very true. The compendium gives you things that make the person who didn't buy it's contents character worse. You mean to tell me that DoTa fans aren't gonna go to DoTa 2 and play DoTa? Please. I dont see your point at all. DoTa has been around longer then League yet league still has the bigger fan base and money. Sad how you can't just admit it.
[quote=cool123ter]@MangoLog: OH SNAP I BROUGHT THE DUDES SMURF OUT TO DEFEND HIMSELF!
League of Legends has been longer then DoTa? WHAT? LMAO. The links I have posted have been facts and you yourself seem to care about viewership so should I. This was nothing about popularity in the first place since you feel the need to post a link about how DoTa is on the news.
Let me copy paste the things you missed about donating:
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_International_2013_Interactive_Compendium_Bundle
Please man just post on your main no need to look for smurfs.[/quote]
He was right but you must be a little slow guess thats why you play LoL.
the compendium gave no gameplay advantages to any players, they gave many cosmetic items and an exp bonus, they also came with a HUD that was shared with every player in the player's game even those without compendiums, so please dont bring Pay to win up, i dont need help winning this argument.
Another debunk, The compendiium was not seen as a donation, in fact you were able to sell just ONE of the items that it gave you on the market for 90% of the price of the compendium, it was worth well over the price and it was a great marketing decision by valve
Dota 2 caters to a very small and specific crowd of people who are elitist for no good reason; it should be obvious that League is doing better because it appeals to a greater population, the gamers you refer to as "casuals"
I wasn't going to say anything but it seems like you really think Dota 2 is somehow much more amazing than league of legends
@MangoLog: OH SNAP I BROUGHT THE DUDES SMURF OUT TO DEFEND HIMSELF!
League of Legends has been longer then DoTa? WHAT? LMAO. The links I have posted have been facts and you yourself seem to care about viewership so should I. This was nothing about popularity in the first place since you feel the need to post a link about how DoTa is on the news.
Let me copy paste the things you missed about donating:
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_International_2013_Interactive_Compendium_Bundle
Please man just post on your main no need to look for smurfs.
I find DOTA 2 to be more challenging and fun to be honest, coming from someone who's played DOTA/2/LoL/HoN. I found League just, not fun. I think it's because League is so passive and not proactive in PUBS.
So before you all go belittling my point on "Hey look at so-and-so game from TI3 that score was low". These are games where the ramifications are a loss of 1.4 million dollars, of course you're not gonna go balls up when it's a best of 1 series.
@KyShadow: Dota2 is a harder version of LoL. Basically, if you want casual play, but still somewhat challenging moba play LoL. If you want competitive, hard but rewarding heros and gamplay then play Dota2
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: Where is season 3 for league. Thats right stick to your old un-updated websites. 1.1 Million in SEASON 2 > 1 million in season 3. Yea please go back to your bridge.[/quote]
Seems like you are forgetting ti3 is just one tournament not the whole season... shall i add all the other dota2 prizepools between ti2 -ti3?
lol you and your obsessions
@Only17: Where is season 3 for league. Thats right stick to your old un-updated websites. 1.1 Million in SEASON 2 > 1 million in season 3. Yea please go back to your bridge.
@mac9090
thats simple fact logic right there. Compare side by side screenshots of each game and tell me which game is it easier to figure things out just by looking at the screenshot? This had nothing to do about pro players playing the other game, this was simply as a normal person going into 2 DIFFERENT GAMES just by the visual and the player case can tell that League would be a easier game. The players on league are worse then those on DoTa which is a fact.
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: They already beat the prize pool? LOL what. So ignorant the facts are in front of you but you seem to ignore them. Lol never seen a guy be more stupid as this one.[/quote]
uhm ?
http://www.esportsearnings.com/tournaments <- facts
[quote=cool123ter]@KyShadow if you want the easier game to learn then its LoL. But in both games as you start off you will be majority attacked.[/quote]
This logic... Have you ever even played dota 2? Professional League players can't play dota on a competitive level and Professional dota players cannot play league on a competitive level, so I believe your views on this are very unrealistic and flawed.
Who even cares.. They are different games and both have their pros and cons, just agree to disagree and move on. Both games can be challenging and honestly shut up about the money pools. Are either of you making that money from playing your respective game? No, therefore it doesn't concern you.
@Only17: They already beat the prize pool? LOL what. So ignorant the facts are in front of you but you seem to ignore them. Lol never seen a guy be more stupid as this one.
/abandon thread
[quote=cool123ter]@Only17: OH SNAP YOU PROVIDED A LINK! http://www.polygon.com/2012/10/23/3542424/league-of-legends-final-attracts-8-2-million-viewers-season-2
Thanks raging DoTa 2 fanboi.
Funny how you talk about prize pools where Valve let players donate to increase it not only that but the rewards you get ingame are essentially making it pay 2 be better then the person that doesnt donate.
BTW: http://www.gamespot.com/news/league-of-legends-season-3-world-championships-to-be-held-at-staples-center-6411299
18 MILLION just for an allstar tournament which I might add was very inconvenient for NA watchers as it was at 12 am. Not only that but riot has confirmed that they will be paying an upwards of 10 million dollars this season in prize pool and salaries money to the players.[/quote]
really 1m vs 1.1m? good argument and i doubt riot will beat ti3 prize pool but w.e i really dont care about LoL or what riot does with LoL it will always be dota's baby