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he was 122... give him a break man..

Mebe he didnt wanna play your way? Stop acting like your some pro kid, you were ksing just cause someone insulted you.

How would you know he's a bandwagoner in the first place? If he is a bandwagoner, he will know how to use Eruption due to the high numbers and blablabla all that.
(A bandwagoner is someone who only plays for damage rather than their own likes of a playstyle, then quit that class when the 'nerf' comes and repeats on another class that got recently released.)

[quote=chaosblast77]@Press13 I would ignore him if he didn't make rude insults at me, but politely disagreed with me. Then I'd ignore him. But I'd explain the logic behind ME.

@Sharpe1337 I didn't assume otherwise, [b][i]you[/i][/b] did not mention any sign that you did try to reason with him other than "I told him that ME is better, and he said you didn't know what you were talking about"

It totally looked like you just told him one thing, he told you that up there, and then you raged.[/quote]

I can't include everything in a post. Didn't know people were expecting a long, specific recount of the incident. Don't assume that i didn't as your gut reaction.

He's either purposely annoying people by misting the map or he just didn't put any sp into mist eruption yet. You never know.

[quote=Zovea]You do realize that this contradicts the point you were making in your OP, right?[/quote]

Except that it doesn't.

[quote=Sharpe1337]First of all it takes about 4 seconds unless you're just slow

Second of all you can stack on 2 plats and then srupt each, dealing the DoT and erupt's dammage

Third of all it's about 6x as lowerful as paralyze

Fourth of all it's not like the dammage stacking moves don't do any dammage themselves

Fifth of all erupt ignores PDR

Sixth of all you're new so don't try to act like you are wiser than all of the f/p's that have come before you.[/quote]

You do realize that this contradicts the point you were making in your OP, right?

[quote=Wlleio]Mist eruption is such a dumb move especially when you're strong enough to kill in less time with paralyze over taking 6+seconds to set up DoT's and erupt.[/quote]

First of all it takes about 4 seconds unless you're just slow

Second of all you can stack on 2 plats and then srupt each, dealing the DoT and erupt's dammage

Third of all it's about 6x as lowerful as paralyze

Fourth of all it's not like the dammage stacking moves don't do any dammage themselves

Fifth of all erupt ignores PDR

Sixth of all you're new so don't try to act like you are wiser than all of the f/p's that have come before you.

[quote=Wlleio]Mist eruption is such a dumb move especially when you're strong enough to kill in less time with paralyze over taking 6+seconds to set up DoT's and erupt.[/quote]

Sounds like someone is jealous.

[quote=Green4EVER]Says the person who probably bandwagoned NLs when they got their revamp.[/quote]

Actually, I remade it about the same time Wild Hunters came out when my friend restarted playing because my first rogue was only level 21..

She's in Scania, partly why she's so up herself with ego.

[quote=XxsynysterXx]I laughed when you said F/P band-wagoners.[/quote]

Says the person who probably bandwagoned NLs when they got their revamp.

I laughed when you said F/P band-wagoners.

[quote=KingDeadJesters]@OldManMaple
Calm down. It's going to be okay....[/quote]

Thanks bro. I feel better now.

[quote=wizardq]Just because hes misinformed does not give you ground to ks him. This just made you look like a jerk. Giving people equips and stuff does not justify you being mean to somebody.

1. Misting the entire map actually does help sometimes, I actually have done it before and gotten more exp than I did gathering up one mob since at some point hitting a lot of mobs with okay damage is better then hitting two with crazy damage.

2. You seem to have a kind of superiority complex or something. Just because you know a lot of stuff about something, doesn't mean it's exclusively yours, and the band wagoners are trespassing or something.[/quote]

Someone else can't read.

Sounds like this BowMaster I saw on the forums a while ago complaining that BGA and BGB were too hard because he kept getting stunned. People level too fast nowadays and don't know how to use their own skills +Sigh+

I disagree with the ksing part though.

Just because hes misinformed does not give you ground to ks him. This just made you look like a jerk. Giving people equips and stuff does not justify you being mean to somebody.

1. Misting the entire map actually does help sometimes, I actually have done it before and gotten more exp than I did gathering up one mob since at some point hitting a lot of mobs with okay damage is better then hitting two with crazy damage.

2. You seem to have a kind of superiority complex or something. Just because you know a lot of stuff about something, doesn't mean it's exclusively yours, and the band wagoners are trespassing or something.

[quote=shaftkid2]@Sharpe1337 You are playing your class wrong because you named it SharpeIL < abbreviation for ice/lightning? Now I suggest you do what you did and come try and ks me.[/quote]

Someone can't read.

this thread reminds me of priests/low level bishops who tell me we're not good for anything except leeching lol

I made my f/p before Champion am I a bandwagoner :o

Well, that escalated quickly.

I'm not a big fan of the concept of bandwagoners. I mean think about it. You like to try stuff before you buy it too. You'd never even know how much that Pizza joint rocked or how god awful that Mexican resturant is (compared to you're home away from home) unless you went out there and tried it.

Same thing goes with MS classes. You can't say "I like this class" at the first job. At that point, all mages, archers, and warriors look alike. Second job warriors still almost all look alike and except for the graphics, archers do too. And to an extent, even f/p and i/l are kinda similar (with some differences).

You really don't get into the meat and potatoes of a class until upper 3rd or 4th. And by then you get 3 reactions.
1. Man this is awesome.
2. Ok this isn't what i thought it was going to be.
3. Well like a tard i spent all this money on him/her, i might as well keep it. (and suffer and waste a character spot.)

I'll admit. When slingers first came out i was loving the whole job like a boss. Then I was so excited to get my battle ship. After 20 levels of mounting and dismounting i was about to delete it until I found out there was a revamp coming. So I held off. I loved outlaws but the ship wasn't what i was hoping. and i had HIGH hopes.

People hear a class is awesome and they want to be awesome too. I say cut the guys some slack. If they quit, and they got nice equips, they're probably going to resell them. And since there was a bandwagon, they probably paid out the nose. But when they sell it, they'll take a huge loss. That's where the die hards can get in there and save some mesos.

It all balances out. These new guy probably saw some old videos (because they didn't sort their youtube vids by upload date) and thought that was how you played. Just don't be a punk about it and make us look bad. let them be noobs and when the next class comes out, they'll go away. keep looking pro and be an example to those of us who want to be like you.

stay thirsty my friends.

[quote=chaosblast77]@Ouhai Oh... that makes sense. Eh, people have different ways to do stuff, but I see what you mean.

@Sharpe1337 I know he said you don't know what you're doing, but maybe reason for a few minutes before KSing him... Meh, I understand that you got mad because he said you dunno what you're doing, but that's just my five cents.[/quote]

I did give him time, why would you assume otherwise

Gotta love basil everyone trying to find a way to call the TS stupid.

You know, he could be using mist eruption to last hit the mobs. Also he might not have any point put in ME, just saying

The question is , who started talking first./

[quote=chaosblast77]The KSing part was probably over-done. My reaction would probably have* been this:

1. Sees F/P misting w/o Erupting, tells him/her that Eruption is better every once in a while.
2A. If F/P politely disagrees, explain to him/her why Eruption is better.
2B. If F/P rudely disagrees, proceed to respond.
3A. from 2A: after changing F/P's mind and/or seeing some of his/her points, high five and go on your ways.
3B. from 2B: if F/P does not look like changing stance, NOW KS time.
[/quote]

Or you could just ignore him.
I mean, does it really bother you that a Kser is using his weakest attack?

No similar stories. I usually don't give a crud about what people do with their class. It's how you interpret the character, right?

No body cared when I didn't properly use DoT up to 13x's (which is a huge derp on my part) so I return the favor.

Well that was definitely slightly...overreacting.

Idgaf if someone plays a class differently than me, but when an ignorant person who just made the class 3 days ago says that i'm a noob and bad and don't know how to play MY class when i was trying to help him in the first place, ksing is fime with me. What don't you guys get about that?

I saw a lv130something Latino F/P mage in LHC the other day, just spamming away with Paralyze. He was hitting 20k per line so it's not like he was at a point where Mist Eruption would be useless.
I asked him if he knew how to play an F/P and he just said "lol".
I explained he should stack Damage over Time and use Mist Eruption for easier damage and he just ignored me. I cc'd back to that channel 10 minutes later and he's still spamming Paralyze >.<
I know he understood everything I told him, he spoke English fairly well from what I saw.

[quote=KruStew]Are you ***ting me You just cursed at a guy because He wanted to make an F/P calling him bandwagoner.

Now you don't care?

Hypocrite.[/quote]

I don't care if people bandwagon a class, but when they repeatedly ask stupid questions [b]and[/b] bandwagon a class, I will bash them.
Also I did not curse.

[quote=chaosblast77]The KSing part was probably over-done. My reaction would probably have* been this:

1. Sees F/P misting w/o Erupting, tells him/her that Eruption is better every once in a while.
2A. If F/P politely disagrees, explain to him/her why Eruption is better.
2B. If F/P rudely disagrees, proceed to respond.
3A. from 2A: after changing F/P's mind and/or seeing some of his/her points, high five and go on your ways.
3B. from 2B: if F/P does not look like changing stance, NOW KS time.

EDIT: It seems like you have a sort of superiority complex. Just because one person is a lower level than you doesn't mean that person doesn't know anything. Heck, maybe you were also a bandwagoner somewhere (not saying you are, hence the "MAYBE&quot.
This is probably what steps you took in this disagreement:

1. Sees F/P misting map, tells F/P that Eruption is good.
2. F/P disagrees, proceed to rage and KS him out.
3. Negative profit.

Even though he said you were SUPPOSED to just mist, he was obviously new. Should you immediately take offence at such a suggestion? I know I wouldn't have. It's better to explain something than to fly into a rage at one simple thing he misunderstood, and then KS him because you're a higher level.[/quote]

Actually the better steps would be:

1.Tell the non Mist Erupting mage that they should use it
2. If they disagree, offer an explanation
3. If they still disagree, offer a DEMONSTRATION.
4. If they still disagree, call it quits and just say "Okay, your loss" and be on my merry way.

Chances he's not gonna stay on the f/p that long anyway so....yeah

IMHO, it does make sense to mist the whole map in LHC if your DoT damage is pretty good. Otherwise, better to focus on a specific area (or collection of mobs) rather than the entire map.

Bandwagoners will make it easier for us veteran FPs to sell our old unneeded equips .

And you're surprised... why?

I pretty much never ks but when someone starts talkin crap about me and about how they know how to play my class better than i do when they just made their character a few days ago, i will ks them as i choose. Stop trying to disect my post to find something wrong with it so you can call me out for the purpose of calling me out.

And how a class played before has nothing to do with how it plays now. It's not pre-bb

I give free leech to randoms all the time so don't try and play me down as some bad person

There's always that option of ignoring them and doing your own thing and carrying on.
Just saying

I had a story where some low level CB told me I didn't know how to play my shad... I didn't ks her though, because that would've made me just as stupid as her. (I just kicked her from the party~)

Who the hell cares if people bandwagon F/Ps. It's not like it does any harm to you or anyone else.
Most bandwagoners don't even make it past 150.

Um, I do the same thing. Come KS me sweetheart/sir! (Can't tell if your a guy or a girl with that hat...)

even if the person wasn't playing the same way as the TS, it's distracting for other people in the party to have to deal with looking at the mist everywhere.
and there's no point in misting the whole map anyway. you're wasting a lot of time and you won't get that much exp from the DOT on monsters anyway.

Eh, I kinda agree that the KSing was excessive. Especially since the F/P community were once revered to not KS but to defend form KSing.

It seems like it's more like that he thinks mist training still applies to LHC (which it doesn't) and if he refuses to listen, well that's his loss.

wow. how's he gonna tell you how to play YOUR class? ESPECIALLY WHEN... you have more experience at it than he does!