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So yesterday as I was driving, I drove past a cemetery. I started thinking about how it's just a field of dead bodies that used to have conscious, thinking beings inside of them. They're physical body may be there, but they themselves are not. Where do those conscious beings go? I have no clue exactly but I'm sure it's something cosmic.

You can say shore on Basilmarket and it isn't filtered? That's it, that's conclusive proof God executive std and he is good.

joke
my god has no nose. how do it smell? not exist

[quote=Blackest]@augustrain: that literally has nothing to do with anything bye

@wontpostmuch: why did you make this thread[/quote]

I don't believe in a God, as described in the bible, as powerful, all seeing, and good, to allow such evil and suffering to happen.

@augustrain: that literally has nothing to do with anything bye

@wontpostmuch: why did you make this thread

"If there is a God, He will have to beg my forgiveness."

-- A phrase that was carved on the walls of a concentration camp cell during WWII by a Jewish prisoner.

[quote=Wanton]one time when i was walking a gnat got in my eye and from then on i knew that god wasn't real.[/quote]

A very thought provoking and insightful argument. I think I'm being swayed towards atheism now but idk mb someone religious wants to weigh in?

[quote=Spiritual2]@blazingdragon. I think you're misintepreting God. I do think there's god but I don't believe in god viewed by our society. God is nothing as everything is nothing. There's no meaning. Its just as it is[/quote]

Well said by the pumpkin who isn't really a pumpkin

@Fetishes: I did read through your entire post, and yes, we can never truly be entirely persuaded otherwise. Atheists tend to be more down to earth folks and want more hard evidence, than have to rely on faith. I don't think you're personal beliefs are very wrong, and find a nice little middle ground between atheism and theism. And its not agnosticism, which is even better. I understand a lot of people aren't going to read even HALF of my post. They will probably go through a single paragraph and try to make arguments for that singular section.

But in all seriousness, no nose or fingers? What? o.o

Also, I only like to give arguments for this kind of thing because I like expressing my opinion and making sure people know facts and counter-arguments to the arguments they have to make them better debaters. I have a friend who does the same with people, but in real life.

[quote=xipwnux99]Please go in-depth. That would be fun <3

EDIT: Forgot to mention this in my long post but, if the Earth was created 6000 years ago, why are Adam and Eve in some depictions are with dinosaurs, which at that point should have been extinct for millions of years?

And also the issue that a ship that can sail the open seas for years was entirely unheard of at that. Engineering was not progressed nearly enough to build a ship of that size. Sailing a river with the technology of the time was difficult enough, you think it was possible to build something so large and so far more advanced than what was known at the time? Like I said, a sea was unheard of traversing. The ark would have had to last through raging storms and stay afloat in deep ocean. This was entirely impossible at the time. There is also the issues of the animals on-board. Why bring the amount of animals required for reproduction, if God can just recreate everything? And also, how did Noah manage to keep them all in line? They would have all killed each other LONG before the waters subsided.[/quote]

I honestly don't believe anything in the bible really happened, and I believe in god for personal reasons beside which I really don't offer much, if any seriousness in religious threads because it's a huge waste of time -cough cough-
anyway I believe the bible is more to teach lessons than to tell stories of how the earth was created. plus you know, this was written by people who had no science or way of telling how earth was created and why. I believe that the earth was created by a higher being, but I don't believe he gives a rats arse about me touching myself or someone exploring their sexuality.
as for arguing religion, let's agree that both avid atheist and Christians are bullheaded and won't be pursuaded by each other arguments or even read the whole thing on a site like basil.. you expect people to be serious and the present character I see you as doesn't even have a nose or fingers..? but based on my logic you probably won't even read this all the way through and are most likely forming your next paragraph of stone in a sad attempt pursuade more people to your side of thinking or just to help yourself sleep at night what ever your @fetishes are.
welp that's my semi serious take on this obvious bait thread. don't forget to eat your vegetables and don't do drugs! you'll be a winner chicken dinner!

@crazypoorer: You know I will

[quote=xipwnux99]Really? You want a source? There's a reason its called faith. You have faith that there is a god in the sky who is an entirely flawed being according to your collection of fairy tales. We have faith that he isn't.

And I absolutely refuse to believe in the Christian (and to some extent, Jewish) beliefs. I would sooner be a Hindu. Why?

For starters, you believe in a being who commits his own sins. You can say, "God's creations are flawed" when referring to animals or humans, but why is God flawed as well? Does he get an excuse? He manages to commit greed (kept apples to himself), pride (created humans in his image), sloth (Sits on some chair in heaven and does nothing), and wrath (flooded the entire world) in your beliefs. 4 of the 7 deadly sins. He doesn't even make any sense at times! Why give us foreskin if we're just going to cut it off anyway?

That also brings me to my next point. Nearly all beliefs and cultures believe that there was a massive global flood that consumed the entire world, and a man named Noah built a massive ark that sheltered all of the animals and his family. Makes sense right? Of course not. That flood [b][i]never happened.[/i][/b] Noah [i]supposedly[/i] built the ark around 5766 B.C.E. The problem is that at that point humans across the globe were still alive. We still know that Mesopotamians were alive and kicking during that year, and as well as shortly before and after it. The closest thing was the flooding of Lake Agassiz which flooded into the Arctic and Atlantic ocean, causing the last European Ice Age, but the effects for the most part weren't felt in the Americas or Asia. The other problem is that the story didn't originate in ANY religion that is still largely followed today. It's highly likely it originated in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which contained an "eyewitness" account of a great flood from the perspective of a person who survived it. And since the Jewish people were held in captivity in Babylon, its not unlikely they were exposed to Gilgamesh. You honestly expect me to believe a story that is told in this perspective over another? I'd rather go for the original.

So, off from God, let's move onto his "son", shall we? Let's start with that. Jesus is the son of God. That is indisputable in your beliefs. But my first people, similar to the last point of the last paragraph, why are there people in OTHER religions that have had similar lives as Jesus of Nazareth? These include Mithra of Zoroastrianism, which while not having too many links, has enough to make him worth of mention. Then we have the SIMILAR life of Horus of Egyptian religion. I am aware many of the links have been debunked, but some of the differences, like the amount of disciples aren't very major. Then we have Krishna in Hindu. While not being the son of a god, he was a reincarnation of a God, and sometimes is revered as one. Some stupid Christians *cough* Bill O'Reilly *cough* believe that Jesus literally [b]was[/b] God. But then comes the issue that we have no [i][b]sources of him from his time at all.[/b][/i] The Gospels were at least minimum of 40 years after the supposed crucifixion of Jesus, which the gospels disagree on the year, and don't even give a specific year. IT WAS A YEAR PASSOVER FELL ON A SATURDAY. NO SUNDAY. NO FRIDAY! They have no reason at all to disagree with themselves. And then also with the year of his birth. The gospels tell "8 years" "6 years" and "4 years" BEFORE Christ (BC). Thats why I used B.C.E in the last paragraph, I believe our current dating system is flawed. Year 0 is not the year he was born, and I doubt that a virgin who was specifically told that he would be the son of God would wait so long to get him baptized, which would be considered a "rebirth" which kind of makes sense. So, like I said, about the writings about him during his time, I sidetracked there for a bit, sorry. There are [b]zero[/b] Roman court records of this happening at all. I have not been able to find a single one. Christians like to point to the fact that Josephus and Tacitus wrote about him, but forget to realize both of the were AFTER Jesus was "supposedly" crucified. Josephus went on a small tangent in his writing, and Tacitus was simply telling the story again in one of his writings. Plus, both of them were born after Jesus would have crucified. No matter which contradicting year the gospels make you believe Josephus was born on 37 C.E and Tacitus was born on 56 C.E. And, like I said about the gospels contradicting each other, they can't even agree on the motive of Judas. They say "no reason" "possession" "petty theft" and "possession and petty theft". [b]HOW DO YOU GET MULTIPLE IMPORTANT DETAILS CONFUSED?[/b] Honestly, its just sad.

Also, what is the point of all of you currently being alive on Earth at all? YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE. If heaven is there it will always be infinitely times better than any life you can have on Earth. Why haven't you committed suicide already?[/quote]

Preach it sista

[quote=LulzMudkipzz]@Fetishes:
...But Pokemon is a game :U
EDIT: I could go completely in-depth on this, but I'd rather not.[/quote]

Please go in-depth. That would be fun <3

EDIT: Forgot to mention this in my long post but, if the Earth was created 6000 years ago, why are Adam and Eve in some depictions are with dinosaurs, which at that point should have been extinct for millions of years?

And also the issue that a ship that can sail the open seas for years was entirely unheard of at that. Engineering was not progressed nearly enough to build a ship of that size. Sailing a river with the technology of the time was difficult enough, you think it was possible to build something so large and so far more advanced than what was known at the time? Like I said, a sea was unheard of traversing. The ark would have had to last through raging storms and stay afloat in deep ocean. This was entirely impossible at the time. There is also the issues of the animals on-board. Why bring the amount of animals required for reproduction, if God can just recreate everything? And also, how did Noah manage to keep them all in line? They would have all killed each other LONG before the waters subsided.

@Fetishes:
...But Pokemon is a game :U
EDIT: I could go completely in-depth on this, but I'd rather not.

[quote=JordanEnz]@MilkInABag
Source?[/quote]

Really? You want a source? There's a reason its called faith. You have faith that there is a god in the sky who is an entirely flawed being according to your collection of fairy tales. We have faith that he isn't.

And I absolutely refuse to believe in the Christian (and to some extent, Jewish) beliefs. I would sooner be a Hindu. Why?

For starters, you believe in a being who commits his own sins. You can say, "God's creations are flawed" when referring to animals or humans, but why is God flawed as well? Does he get an excuse? He manages to commit greed (kept apples to himself), pride (created humans in his image), sloth (Sits on some chair in heaven and does nothing), and wrath (flooded the entire world) in your beliefs. 4 of the 7 deadly sins. He doesn't even make any sense at times! Why give us foreskin if we're just going to cut it off anyway?

That also brings me to my next point. Nearly all beliefs and cultures believe that there was a massive global flood that consumed the entire world, and a man named Noah built a massive ark that sheltered all of the animals and his family. Makes sense right? Of course not. That flood [b][i]never happened.[/i][/b] Noah [i]supposedly[/i] built the ark around 5766 B.C.E. The problem is that at that point humans across the globe were still alive. We still know that Mesopotamians were alive and kicking during that year, and as well as shortly before and after it. The closest thing was the flooding of Lake Agassiz which flooded into the Arctic and Atlantic ocean, causing the last European Ice Age, but the effects for the most part weren't felt in the Americas or Asia. The other problem is that the story didn't originate in ANY religion that is still largely followed today. It's highly likely it originated in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which contained an "eyewitness" account of a great flood from the perspective of a person who survived it. And since the Jewish people were held in captivity in Babylon, its not unlikely they were exposed to Gilgamesh. You honestly expect me to believe a story that is told in this perspective over another? I'd rather go for the original.

So, off from God, let's move onto his "son", shall we? Let's start with that. Jesus is the son of God. That is indisputable in your beliefs. But my first people, similar to the last point of the last paragraph, why are there people in OTHER religions that have had similar lives as Jesus of Nazareth? These include Mithra of Zoroastrianism, which while not having too many links, has enough to make him worth of mention. Then we have the SIMILAR life of Horus of Egyptian religion. I am aware many of the links have been debunked, but some of the differences, like the amount of disciples aren't very major. Then we have Krishna in Hindu. While not being the son of a god, he was a reincarnation of a God, and sometimes is revered as one. Some stupid Christians *cough* Bill O'Reilly *cough* believe that Jesus literally [b]was[/b] God. But then comes the issue that we have no [i][b]sources of him from his time at all.[/b][/i] The Gospels were at least minimum of 40 years after the supposed crucifixion of Jesus, which the gospels disagree on the year, and don't even give a specific year. IT WAS A YEAR PASSOVER FELL ON A SATURDAY. NO SUNDAY. NO FRIDAY! They have no reason at all to disagree with themselves. And then also with the year of his birth. The gospels tell "8 years" "6 years" and "4 years" BEFORE Christ (BC). Thats why I used B.C.E in the last paragraph, I believe our current dating system is flawed. Year 0 is not the year he was born, and I doubt that a virgin who was specifically told that he would be the son of God would wait so long to get him baptized, which would be considered a "rebirth" which kind of makes sense. So, like I said, about the writings about him during his time, I sidetracked there for a bit, sorry. There are [b]zero[/b] Roman court records of this happening at all. I have not been able to find a single one. Christians like to point to the fact that Josephus and Tacitus wrote about him, but forget to realize both of the were AFTER Jesus was "supposedly" crucified. Josephus went on a small tangent in his writing, and Tacitus was simply telling the story again in one of his writings. Plus, both of them were born after Jesus would have crucified. No matter which contradicting year the gospels make you believe Josephus was born on 37 C.E and Tacitus was born on 56 C.E. And, like I said about the gospels contradicting each other, they can't even agree on the motive of Judas. They say "no reason" "possession" "petty theft" and "possession and petty theft". [b]HOW DO YOU GET MULTIPLE IMPORTANT DETAILS CONFUSED?[/b] Honestly, its just sad.

Also, what is the point of all of you currently being alive on Earth at all? YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE. If heaven is there it will always be infinitely times better than any life you can have on Earth. Why haven't you committed suicide already?

@milkinabag but he does if he doesn't how do u explain scarlet johanson and Ariana grande
@lulzmudkipzz why do you let your mudkips faint? you put them through pain and suffering and laugh as you torture them by forcing them to battle another trainer who is as sadistic as you.

one time when i was walking a gnat got in my eye and from then on i knew that god wasn't real.

If God exists, why doesn't he save us in times of peril? Why doesn't he stop people like murderers doing what they do? Does he want to see the only race with cognitive though die out?

[quote=Fetishes]if science exist how come god exist
fetishes: 1
milkinabag: fedora[/quote]

He doesn't? Lol

[quote=MilkInABag]Science, where's your source?[/quote]

if science exist how come god exist
fetishes: 1
milkinabag: fedora

[quote=JordanEnz]@MilkInABag
Source?[/quote]

Science, where's your source?

I don't think anyone said anything about Atheists being bad...

if god exist how come ppl rip in pepperinos

god is real.
this one time i was listening to kpop, and i didn't drop dead. how do you explain that? only the works of the holy

If God exists, why do we have pain and suffering?

[quote=JordanEnz]God exists[/quote]

No he doesnt

[quote=mitarumetaro]....why do you keep doing this?

I'm legitimately curious; what do you get out of this?[/quote]

guess he finds basil arguments entertaining, i can't blame him.

His name is Gojira numb nuts

....why do you keep doing this?

I'm legitimately curious; what do you get out of this?