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i agree

@SolushadowX: Because its only 13 days old...

Why would I want to hang out with friends on maplestory? I'm not playing this game to hang out with people if i was then that would be lame. If I wanted to hang out with friends I would go hang out with actual friends and not 2 inch 2D figures on a computer screen.

Things change, if maple really was exactly the smae...you'd think people would be bored as hell. No new content? that would suck, no? The game changes, nothing can always be the same, and if it is, it quickly gets boring. And yes, maple seems like it has died over and over, I thought that too, but really Nexon is just adding more new content and players have to adapt; yes I'll admit that they made it a bit harder to adapt(Big Bang= warriors no longer need dex. lol what? 55 dex on my DrK still ;-. But either way, thats how the game was made to be updated, by constantly making the game damage mroe and more. Have people gotten more damage wh0rey? [b]no.[/b] The game [b]overall[/b] is merely becoming a more damage heavy game, back in the day Nexon had the avg damage for 120 at 15k or so, now they're making it 70k or so, they're just updating it.

Another small point is leveling. Yes, leveling back in the day really did seperate the men from the boys but that meant the avg level of the 'casual' gamer was 40 or so; which is so far away from endgame content that they can do nothing. So Nexon has made leveling easier to make the average level somewhere in the 100's, making more players able to reach endgame type content. However there is still a 'men from the boys' aspect here, getting to 170+ really does require lots of hardcore gaming, and thats where the hardcore endgame comes in. So once again; Nexon is merely updating the game and moving it along.

*Flame Shield*

[quote=AnasF]-BALANCE, people whining about BALANCE. You kids wouldn't know balance if it kicked you in the face.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha cracked me up. This is so true.

@asiaox123

You're my hero in this thread... very logical

People cry too much over old maple... Go make a PS. >_>

[quote=SolushadowX]So true.

Edit: LOL at all the people saying "Stop crying/whining and get over it".
These are the people that never got a chance to experience the older older maple and hate when you talk about it
cause they jellyyyy.

Edit #2: OR they could barely get to level 30 before the exp curve and they don't want you giving Nexon any ideas on changing it back.

Haha lighten up people. Its HIS thread and he can say what HE wants. If you hate to see the nostalgia so much then don't even click on the thread; let alone comment it.
When [b]YOU[/b] start paying for his internet, his computer, and start paying his electric bill THEN maybe...[i]maybe[/i] you can tell him what to say...but until then let the man vent. Obviously he's a veteran and just enjoyed the old times a lot more than you or I did. Is that so wrong?[/quote]

Wrong and... oh wrong again, I played since .08, and i had a guy past 30 in the old days... wow the old days, they really sucked. And anyone who says they didn't is only focusing on the 1% of the game that didn't royally blow. Also, this guy needs to just adapt and get with the program, or stop playing if its to revolutionary for him.

The thing you mentioned about "Equipment became readily available and no one had to hunt for anything any more" was what killed the game for me too.
The thrill of equipping new gear which you had just found was lost. The loss of hidden streets is was a big upset too. Everyone had their spot which they would go whether
it would be with their friends to chill or just to afk. Oh well.. the golden days are gone but just try toappreciate some of the good things we have now.

i want hhg1 back and the old maps everything else im cool with

This thread is the Maplestory equivalent of a bunch of old farts complaining about how things were cheaper back in their day blah blah blah.

I miss my 200 dmg with my slinger before

Yet here we are 7 years later still playing.
>_>
omg every one please cry some more, here lets hold hands and lets cry together.

@asattex: I hear u Dual Blade - regardless of my class, I still enjoyed maple pre-crap updates

Although I must say... the level /econ. curve has made it better - i hated af king to regain HP

[quote=Asiaox123]TS, if all those things are wrong, why not quit Basil?

What I see in this thread is someone who can't adapt to change. The real world is materialistic; you can't expect a fictitious representation of the world, inhabited by people who are in the real world, to not be. The game isn't supposed to be just about "hanging with friends"; I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intended goal of Nexon when they made the game...they'd want people to progress through the game by "leveling". And you, yes us, the general Maple populace, voted overwhelmingly in favor of faster leveling. Why? Because people want to experience higher levels once they have finished all of their "exploring" of the Maple World when they first came into the game. No Cash Shop? You wouldn't even be here...because Maple would have run out of revenue long before then.[/quote]

This.

But yea it sucks that they removed HHG1 from the left of hene. I loved that dam map =[
And as for dexless sins, Just lol. Yea they rose. But they fell back down all over again with the release of potential.

I miss old Maplestory. Back when KPQ and LPQ were the best places to level. Selling track or using track to get invited to a party. Having a notepad filled with tracks. Back when using 100% scrolls was normal. I miss those days. After seeing my favorite pqs getting nerfed I quit for a year

[quote=asattex]Said the Aran 0_o (one those game ruining new classes)[/quote]

Says the Dual Blade? ok?

OT: I totally agree I miss old ellina and HHG and how it all used to be
I vividly remember focusing on making it through the hard levels (10-30ish) by making friends and doing things like KPQ...
Like the first step i made on lith harbor I found another mage want-to-be and we cluelessly walked to Ellinia only to get lost in Hidden Street and die xD
But the Damage factor really took over now and it really has been destroying maples *uniqueness*

Agreed completely + 1 like

Nexon's adding to content to satisfy a larger % of their players. Just because they add new content, doesn't mean you have to toss aside other aspects of the game (PQs, hanging with friends, etc). Maplestory is your story - you should be doing what you like, not what everyone else likes.

Quit QQing
If they didnt release cash shop they wouldnt make revenue
if they didnt make revenue maplestory would cease to be a free 2 play MMO
or worse it would shut down

what about the potential system.
i hate that. now it how much damage you do depend on how much NX you're willing to spend cubing. totally ruin the game.

Lol, yep.

The Maple community is really sensitive to any change. "THE SKY IS FALLING!"

They took his job

All I see is someone with relatively petty complaints...

Maple didn't die... it changed. Change is a part of life. As Charles Darwin said, "It's not the strongest or fastest of the species that survives, but the one most adaptable to change."

In other words, learn to adapt or quit.

I really hope you're being sarcastic....That's just about all I have to contribute to this thread.

[quote=moonpanda]Nexon didn't make the game worse.

We did.

We abused the new features, we abused ultimate skills therefore getting a nerf, we abused the new classes.

Nexon did nothing but release new features.[/quote]

QFT.

And that's just the start of it.

EDIT: But yeah, I do agree MS has gone downhill from when I started. Maybe it was already going downhill before that...potential was one of those changes that ruined it.

WTF they took away the hiddenstreets? i didnt know that -.-

I can't believe this map was removed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnjv_CJOvZg

I cant fathom why people make threads like this

wow this is sad -_- im pretty sure most games revolve around money and they always will

I agree on the easier and easier part.
I miss big foot being harder to kill.

I sympathise with you man. I remember first playing maple 4 or 5 years ago and apart from maple island and Lith, I never left Henesys for about a month, because then the game, for me, was socialising with friends and just chilling out together in HHG1. One thing I remember ESPECIALLY is when I saw my first zhelm...I mistook it for a moose helmet O.O

[quote=AnasF]Magic Claw was made pink.[/quote]
QFT man. I miss blue Magic Claw.

I agree with the new map layouts...

And what kitchie3 said

Im now a loner in ToT because of the community on my bishop

A lot of the stuff you pointed out I can agree with, but other changes are really good! Gachapon for one thing was a very nice thing, I don't use it much and every time I do I get gachapwned TT_TT, but I have friends who are lucky with it and it can potentially yield huge profit! That's a very nice thing to be able to have.

I'm an old player too and i really miss the old MS when all i did is to do quests just to level or gain few exp to start my training. But what i really think killed MS is it's community itself. Lots of greedy and immature people.

[quote=Escy]Ever since they made all those changes. The games diversity increased by 90 % by the overall servers. And rather then flaming , just go back to the real world and leave us gamers alone.[/quote]

Doesn't diversity mean difference? using there makes no sense, also you play msea don't you? not gms o.O. What do you mean by 'leave us gamers alone' this is his opinion he isn't hurting you or any of these so called "gamers" its your choice to read his writing. Show some respect.

I can't say much since I started during patch v0.32 and there was already an abundance of dexless sins (and the damage hoar kind), but at least there was no CPQ, and it was basically KPQ -> Grind -> LPQ, which was actually fun because of the popularity of those PQs.

Actually, the game outgrew you and you haven't kept up.

I'd have to agree with a lot of your points.
Pink magic claw is just dam fugly.

If you want play ms like beta today you can still
don't get past 3rd job. no forth job.
You can only be one of 4th original classes. If you meet any pirates or adventures you must pretend like they don't exist and ignore them. Also you cant interact with anybody who made 4th job either.
You can only explore Victoria island and Orbis pretty much and maybe a few other areas. No going anywhere else. You need any of those silly extra areas right? No world tour either and no cant go any place on vic that was added.
NO party quests you can kerning party quest but you have to go to kerning city no using that silly portal.
Only use basic class items. No accessory only wear your class stuff maybe a few commons and earrings. No potential items. If you find one you must drop back right away. No accepting any banned items as gifts either. That be cheating.
No cash shop NO accepting NX gifts either that be cheating! No maple trade shop you also cannot go into the Free market. People somehow got items before I'm sure you figure it out. You can only use 10% 60% and 100% scrolls. No potential scrolls no enhance scrolls. No chaos scrolls white scrolls or clean slate scrolls either.
No guilds or family. Turn those options of right away. That way you wont get invited.
No event items. I forgot if beta had any events but they wouldn't be the ones going on today so no doing events. Remember if it was a added item you cant have it. You probably wont get any anyways since you banned from the FM remember? You can only play on Scaina to since added worlds came after and you only be on like ch1-3 forever. Extra channels were added remember? Good luck getting maps and whatnot but you be fine I'm sure. And remember no breaking any of these rules or you be admitting there's something in Ms you like today and that you really don't like all of old maplestory.

I agree with you, but not with everything. Although I don't like some changes they made to the game, I still like it for what it is. Maple is much different today than it was years ago and that's a [b]good thing.[/b] Why? because people get bored. Afterexploring everything and hanging out and doing possibly everything else you can, then what? Get a life? Yes, but Nexon doesn't want you to get a life. That's why there's always change and always will be. Change isn't always bad, but you can't expect change to be perfect, it almost never is.

[quote=AnasF]MapleStory first died when the Cash Shop was released. [b]Without the CS, MapleStory would not exist. Nexon needs money.[/b]
But almost every patch, it's gotten worse. [b]For some content, yes, for other content, no.[/b]
MapleStory died again, when:

-Gachapon was released. [b]Agreed to an extent. I love how a few items are Gachapon only, such as Rat Mouths. Their rarity makes them special. I for one adore Rat Mouths. If everyone had them, I'd be sad. What I do despise though is how the Gachapon can easily shift the economy. Also, it opens up a wider gap between the rich and the poor.[/b]
-Free Market was fixed. [b]No comemnt.[/b]
-Kerning Swamp got all that moss making everything flat. [b]Not sure how this helped kill Maple.[/b]
-Ludibrium stairs were made flat also, removing the need to jump to places. [b]Not sure how this helped kill Maple.[/b]

-Magic Claw was made pink. [b]Not sure how this helped kill Maple.[/b]
-They changed Ellinia! [b]I agree, the map looks horrible.[/b]
-Monster Carnival was released. [b]I personally liked MC1, but then again, I started in Sept. '08. Not sure what Maple was like before then.[/b]
-Money became the defining factor in success. [b]This. Absolutely.[/b]
-Damage didn't depend on luck any more, just whoever could hoard the most scrolls. [b]I'm not sure how damage depended on only luck. o_o[/b]
-Equipment became readily available and no one had to hunt for anything any more. [b]I miss the days I searched for hours looking for my equips and never finding them. ;p[/b]
-Maple Weapons allowed the rise of the DEXless sins. [b]Didn't cause much of a problem, in my opinion.[/b]
-Hackers stopped being harmless economy regulators. [b]Oh, God. This.[/b]
-The game became easier and easier and easier. [b]I agree, Maple is too user friendly now. I miss the days when the community worked to help each other out and to understand the game better. Definitely not the same anymore.[/b]
-Big Bang stripped every class of their unique qualities. [b]I liked Big Bang's skill additions... however, I dislike the damage and acc formulas.[/b]
-BALANCE, people whining about BALANCE. You kids wouldn't know balance if it kicked you in the face.[b]How did this kill Maple? O.O[/b]
-Blizzard got a whopping 30 second cooldown. Ok, a cooldown is fair enough, but 30 seconds makes it near useless, or at least removes the use it once had. [b]Mages got slapped in the face with this update. However, this probably never would have happened if people didn't use mages to sell leech. [/b]
-They took away HHG1. [b]-Cries-[/b]
-They took away Hidden Streets, which made Maple what it was, for me. [b]I'm pissed about this too, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT NEXON DID TO MAPLE ISLAND![/b]
-They placed all monsters in "obvious" places. Gone are the days when you'd be cool for knowing a secret hunting spot, or you'd feel awesome for discovering such a spot. [b]No comment.[/b]
-F/P Wizards actually became rarer than I/L. (There was a phase were I/L Wizards were the rarest, one of the reasons I made one). [b]Never knew this. O.O[/b]
-"Thunderbolt attacks behind you, so it watches your back! Cold Beam keeps you safe!" became a stupid arguments, as potion efficiency didn't mean anything any more.
[b]No comment.[/b]
-People actually started caring about levels, and the game was no longer about hanging out with friends. People became too materialistic, if that's the word. More focused on reaching a certain goal than enjoying the journey there. Rejecting a friend's request to LMPQ with you just because you can train 10% faster somewhere else just isn't cool...[b]I agree with this 100%. I miss the days when people actually played together as a community for fun rather than alone or in "training groups" purely to level to be the strongest or reach 200.[/b][/quote]

Opinions and such are above.

Pretty much 80% of all those changes happened by the players choices. Not by Nexon.

Uh, I don't know about you, but MS was WAY too slow in terms of leveling. While I haven't been playing since the beta, I have been playing since 08. Even if that isn't that long, I still had my fair share of experiences pre-BB. I did make a lot of friends and I did make fond memories. However, guess what, all those friends quit. Wanna know why? Cause leveling was SO GODDAMN HARD. 75 was the highest I got pre-BB, if it wasn't for BB, I would have never dreamed of even reaching past 100. You can still have fun with your friends, and they made it so more people can enjoy the experience of 4th job. You have to remember, Maple is an MMO, the main point is to level up, get stronger, and kill monsters. Nexon just expanded on that. If that's what killed Maplestory, then MS was never alive in the first place.

[quote=marcow1]I agree with you.
It's all about best damage.
Potential items.
Mesos, mesos and mesos.
And leveling a lot.

No more fun.
I'm almost sure that no one, who started 2 months ago with maple, knows the quest: Nemi's second Ingredient.
Why?
because quests are worthless.
They only want exp and mesos.
It's hard to face this fact.
But it was so much fun when 7 people helped me with 1 quest.
And for what?
NOTHING.
Now if you ask their help they do:

1: Nothing, just ignoring you.
or 2: Asking what they get for it.

It's not funny anymore.
There need to be some event that when you clear an amount of quests with a level range of ~10, then you can get some items/exp/mesos or something.
So people keep on doing quests and they will level slower which will also cause the mass-4th jobbers.
Because quests need time, and this is a way to keep the players playing.

So +1 if you agree with me.[/quote]

What? Remove you pink tinted glasses for a minute there. People asked for help for certain quests back then, but they were still jerks. Hell I remember hunting stumps for a wooden top for someone and what did that person do? Nothing.

Even more, one time I was training with a priest in chronos and we had another partner who did what? Nothing, he was playing on his psp.

Jerks have always been there, it's nothing new, and has never been. I'd be the first to say that there were more jerks back then in party quests and training and such than today where people can be in peace.

I agree with you.
It's all about best damage.
Potential items.
Mesos, mesos and mesos.
And leveling a lot.

No more fun.
I'm almost sure that no one, who started 2 months ago with maple, knows the quest: Nemi's second Ingredient.
Why?
because quests are worthless.
They only want exp and mesos.
It's hard to face this fact.
But it was so much fun when 7 people helped me with 1 quest.
And for what?
NOTHING.
Now if you ask their help they do:

1: Nothing, just ignoring you.
or 2: Asking what they get for it.

It's not funny anymore.
There need to be some event that when you clear an amount of quests with a level range of ~10, then you can get some items/exp/mesos or something.
So people keep on doing quests and they will level slower which will also cause the mass-4th jobbers.
Because quests need time, and this is a way to keep the players playing.

So +1 if you agree with me.

Fine, let's see how bad maple story was back then:

1) Little to no variety, the map was small, the playerbase huge, there was no way to train in peace
2) Ksing was still at its peak, ask assassins.
3) People still revolved around damage, hell equips were even more expensive than today.
4) The community isn't any different from today's. People are still immature and childish. Guess what, that's what maple story was all about.
5) Balance? BALANCE? Are you kidding? There was never any balance back then. My level 100 white knight would enjoy slapping across the face for that.
6) Drops were horrible. If making money supposedly revolves around nexon cash today, imagine back then when an ilbi back then cost around 32 millions AND THEY WERE BLOODY RARE.
7) Oh yeah, slow leveling. But wait, you're gonna talk about achievement? Spending time leveling isn't enjoyable, hell it's not even entertainment. And I would NEVER imagine them release even tougher bosses with the previous leveling system, considering no one would have the level to beat them.

In any case, the old days of Maple Story revolved around one thing only: Slow and tedious. The only thing i'll miss is the ludibrium party quest.

[quote=AnasF]
-They took away Hidden Streets, which made Maple what it was, for me.
[/quote]

this was my favorite thing about maplestory too i 100% agree with what u said

[quote=DinosGoRawr2]I mean, You start playing and have low leveled people start ksing you at level 20. I know if I had started now instead of years ago I would not be still playing.[/quote]

It certainly seems like there are a lot less genuine newbies nowadays.