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@newrichboy: You cared enough to reply.

I didn't know you were someone so important that I couldn't talk to you without permission.

No need to get butthurt when you get proven wrong.

I see that you've dismissed every point I've said so I can conclude that you have let go of any sort of common sense and logic. It's useless talking to you now.

You can go an praise your Titan when it's average at best. [i]There's only a handful of people here on Basil that can appreciate a good anime and not d*** ride its popularity.[/i]

The insightful people here on Basil can be counted by the fingers on my hand.

We didn't really have a discussion because you didn't lay across any valid points. Have a good day, sir.

Reply July 27, 2014 - edited

newrichboy

@Plenair: Sorry, but I don't agree with your logic for questioning people's reasons. There is no "right and wrong" when it comes to things involving liking a show. People like it for their own desired reasons - whatever they may be. Their reasons are not "wrong" and they themselves are not wrong because there is no "right". It's all highly opinionated. There is to some extent a consensus, but that agreement is also not right nor wrong but just the majority's opinion.

@Darkness129:

The questions I asked you were:

Why exactly are you questioning my reasons for liking it? You didn't answer this (Plenair did) yet you replied.
Please, tell me how many other animes have a huge titans eating a nearly extinct humanity? Once again, you didn't answer this (Plenair did) yet you replied.
And my question about the budget. The only thing you answered.

Besides that, there was nothing else that required a reply from you. When I posted, I was replying to the OP. However, you intruded in that conversation. In other words, I wasn't talk to you. I was talking to the OP.

Finally, eye-balling is not an accurate way of describing an anime's budget. Unless you have sources with actual numbers, then your comments about its budget have no support and cannot be taken seriously.

Notice that this reply has no demanding question and thus does not need a reply from you. I don't want to hear any explanations on your part either because frankly, I really don't care what you have to say and it won't be getting a reply from me.

kthnxbai

Reply July 27, 2014 - edited

Darkness129

@newrichboy:
Hmm... Why am I replying to your posts?
Let me quote you.
"Why exactly are you questioning my reasons for liking it?"
Well, Plenair answered that for me

"Please, tell me how many other animes have a huge titans eating a nearly extinct humanity?"
Plenair answered that for me too.
- If you're asking me, then I would assume you would like a reply. Is that not how questions work? I think you're misusing the word "troll". If someone doesn't agree with you, they're not automatically a "troll".
It's true that I'm not answering OP, but that's because I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to you.

My post wasn't an opinion. The only thing that could be argued is the music. The errors in episode 4 and 12/13 are not opinions. They were in the actual show. Reusing footage and recaps are not opinions.
The way I get my budget-info is through my eyes. It's painfully obvious that a scene like in Titan's with full CG background, dynamic camera movement, and excellent animation has more budget than when they Hyper Space Jump in Pokemon when they attack.

Just try comparing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgJ0Bfn124 (Start at 4:50 if you don't want to watch the entire thing) to something like Fairy Tail or Bleach and tell me which one has a bigger budget. It's the same thing with Titan. In some scenes they look clunky and in others they look amazing. They needed to spread out the money instead of only for certain scenes.

If you even read Plenair's first 2 sentences you would know the reason of our replies.

@Plenair already answered most of your post if you cared enough to read it.

Reply July 27, 2014 - edited

newrichboy

@Darkness129:

I just don't understand why you're replying to my posts. It seems as if you are trying to argue that my reasons for liking a show are not good enough reasons to like the show? Maybe you're trying to argue that SnK isn't a good show? But then the original topic just asked why people liked the show, not whether it is a good or bad show. If you don't like the show, then I don't know why you're posting on this thread because OP was asking why people like it, not why they don't. Maybe troll much? In any case, everything you've said is an opinion and so relates to [i]your[/i] personal view on the show but doesn't pertain to why [i]I[/i] like SnK.

However, one thing I would really like to know is where you are getting your information on SnK's budget. I couldn't find it through a quick search on Google, and it's not like they list it on the Wikipedia page - similar to how movies do. So how do you know SnK was given a huge budget because this implies that there is a value that you've seen which represents the shows "budget" and it is notably higher than an average anime shows budget.

@Plenair: I'm just adding you cause I saw your quote but your reply was tl;dr lol

Reply July 27, 2014 - edited

Dega

Give me a list of all the "Better anime out there"

Reply July 26, 2014 - edited

Darkness129

@newrichboy:
Premise is different from plot. I mentioned the theme of humanity vs omnipotent beings. It's not unique at all. Evangelion has this, hell, even Bleach has this.
- Guilty Crown's OST > Shingeki's OST. First you said it was amazing, then you say it's "good overall". Considering I've seen most of Hiroyuki's work in anime, I can make a more accurate judgement if Titan has great music. As I said in my previous reply, "It's alright". I didn't say it was bad, I said it was average.
- It's true. Many anime don't spark. But considering that Titan was given a huge budget, it should have spread equally throughout and have a little extra for the 3D Gear. Did you not see the change in Badges when Hannes was walking up to Eren in episode 4? When Eren was walking as a Titan in episode 12 or 13 you could see purple and green bricks because they were overlooked by the production team. That's what I mean by being bland. There is reused footage all around along with the same damn recap in the beginning of every episode. Do you want to see a high budget quality anime done right? Watch Fate Zero, Kara no Kyoukai, or maybe even Kyoukai no Kanata.
- Action doesn't need to be physical. Action is done in Death Note with intense moments. Although action can be "good" if you have a big enough budget like Sword Art Online. Is action in Bleach good? They attack each other in a battle with clunky movements and then talk for 10 minutes before another strike. Is action determined how it plays out? Do you mean by how the fight ends? Or in the manner that it ended?
- "A writer who isn't afraid to kill people off". Yeah, that would have worked if all of the people he killed off were actually important to the story. Woah, he killed of a character with no development and with 5 minutes of screen time! [i]Edgy[/i] Remember how Isayama told us that Sasha was suppose to die in Chapter 36(?)? Well, due to [i]Popular demand[/i] he decided to keep her in. He stated that he wanted to end the series with a tragic ending. But he changed it to [i]please his fans[/i] How Weak. A truly great author isn't afraid of killing off important/main characters, regardless if their fans like it or not. [b]This might be a spoiler for other anime but[/b] Shows like Code Geass and Guren Lagann do this very well. Eren, Mikasa and Armin have plot armor that's thick af. I don't know if you're on the internet often, but almost everyone knows of AoT. Even some of my friends who have no interest in anime say they've watched it. Death doesn't make a story good. My cousin. who is in 7th grade, watches it. I recently went back to my old middle school and overheard some kids talking about Titan. Even The Walking Dead is extremely popular in High School/Middle School.
How do you think the Call of Duty fanbase earned it's reputation of little kids playing a rated M game? There is death. The main objective in the game is killing. Yet you don't see the media worrying about this and making a huge fuss about it.
- Good plot twists? The whole tone of the show shifted from Titans to Humans. There are no good plot twists. From the beginning, the enemy has always been man. So the reveal of the Titan's origins was terrible. Even Pixis mentioned it in the show. If they lose the wall, then the real enemy is man itself. Powering up a main character is not a good plot twist. It's plot armor. Revealing who the Armored and Colossal titans were wasn't a good plot twist. They became completely irrelevant a few chapters after their "big reveal".
The plot twists were not bad, but they were predictable which makes it lose the affect of urgency. That makes them average. I didn't read the manga while watching the show. A rouge Titan roaming around killing other Titans in the city? Hmmmm... I hope that isn't Eren or something!

Reply July 26, 2014 - edited

tsubasa128

@Im12WhatThis: I'm butthurt? If you want to look back and see who started the attacking it would not be me. "and you lose basically all the arguments"... looks like you haven't been on basil or you're simply just blind. Oh and if you're a troll, you got me. Congratulations!

Reply July 26, 2014 - edited

Im12WhatThis

[quote=tsubasa128]@misterfuji99: What the hell is RP? Riot points?
And what I said is specifically 'giant apocalypse'. If you're going to go broader than that and say Attack on Titan is unoriginal because it's a apocalypse genre, then you might as well not read any mystery books because it's a rip off of the first mystery novel. Or not play any mmorpg because it's the rip-off of the first existing mmo... etc. To put it bluntly, good luck finding things that has nothing to with anything in this world since you value originality that much. I'm guessing you might be lonely since you project yourself somewhat aggressively behind the computer screen. No shame in that, there are rude people everywhere on the internet and make you have all the freedom to make yourself to as butthurt as possible.[/quote]

If anyone is butt hurt around here, it's you. I constantly see you bickering with the likes of @plenair or @yumtoast because you have clashing opinions and you lose basically all the arguments, seems to have left a bitter taste in your mouth. Always posting on their threads/replying to their comments with some half-ass attitude.

Reply July 26, 2014 - edited

newrichboy

@Darkness129: Why exactly are you questioning [b]my[/b] reasons for liking it?

-Please, tell me how many other animes have a huge titans eating a nearly extinct humanity?
-Never seen Guilty Crown so I can't compare the two. All I know is that I really liked this soundtrack. Whether it's his best or not is irrelevant considering it's good overall.
-There are many animes that don't even "spark". It was good at all the right times. You can't expect it to be top notch, high budget, quality for every minute of an episode. That's just unreasonable.
-Good action, is well, good action. Much like how you can watch good boxing fights, or good soccer matches. What makes them good? That could be determined with a consensus but I would say how it plays out is what makes it good.
-Lots of death adds to my liking. I don't see how you have to be "12 or 13" to like deaths in a show. Actually, I'd be very worried if 12 year olds liked to see lots of death. But look at Game of Thrones; there are many deaths in that show, and people love it. I'm sure GoT was not made for 12 or 13 year olds (even if the characters start out that age in the books). I personally like it because I like a writer who isn't afraid to kill people off. I've seen too many shows that are. (@misterfuji99)
-I won't talk about plot twists due to potential spoilers. Also, I said really good plot twists, not "many plot twists".

Finally, I believe you're confusing what I've said. I said why I like the show which doesn't necessarily equilibrate to why I think it's a good show. People can like shows that are not good shows.

Reply July 26, 2014 - edited

tsubasa128

@misterfuji99: What the hell is RP? Riot points?
And what I said is specifically 'giant apocalypse'. If you're going to go broader than that and say Attack on Titan is unoriginal because it's a apocalypse genre, then you might as well not read any mystery books because it's a rip off of the first mystery novel. Or not play any mmorpg because it's the rip-off of the first existing mmo... etc. To put it bluntly, good luck finding things that has nothing to with anything in this world since you value originality that much. I'm guessing you might be lonely since you project yourself somewhat aggressively behind the computer screen. No shame in that, there are rude people everywhere on the internet and make you have all the freedom to make yourself to as butthurt as possible.