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I'm 22 and have dealt with some clinical depression in the past. Getting rid of sad/ angsty music was the best thing I ever did.

@Reticent: What you need to do, is become a dragon slayer like me. There I nothing like the thrill of picking out your finest armor & weapons, gathering your closest fellow knights and going out on a conquest hunting for dragons in the foreighn lands of the unknown... dude.. its fricking exhilarating. I slew 2 fully grown adult dokashian dragons at the same fricking time and 1 female tresha dragon later that week in my last conquest. I was worshipped like a God when I came back. Kay now im not saying u will get kills like that on ur first conquest.. especially without help but you'll get there man... takes years of practise.

Dragon slaying man, do it. All your disorders will be forgotten, I promise. I had aids & a brain tumor when I started, after my first kill, the blood of a black shark dragon cured me.

wait.. u probably dont even believe dragons exist.. smh.. thats whats wrong with kids today.

[quote=Avatar]lmao aight that's some dope logic bra not gunna lie. dam tho I just saw jesus flying by my house on a motorcycle, i aint gunna let scientists tell me thats not right. My eyes do not deceive. no wat Im sayin?[/quote]

The guy obviously has a PhD in everything.

@TheKingslayer: wow. I'm not depressed. It was a side effect of medication dosage change which my body has already adjusted to. I have a hormonal problem. Officially diagnosed by blood tests that I get every 3 months. ._. Also, its weird you assumed depression meant I wasn't being active and doing stuff. I was going to the gym, talking to the bae, hanging with friends, grocery shopping, normal tasks. Much fail. You can think whatever you want, but the standard definition of depression is a mood disorder caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. The examples you give of kids saying they're depressed because their boyfriend broke up with them, etc etc is not an example of depression. Those examples can be overcome with willpower.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Avatar: Briefed through the article, Das coo, I disagree. Whats my credentials? Common sense. Ive personally witness depression being cured by love, love alone.. having people there who care for you, ive witnessed people be hopelessly lost for weeks.. just lock themselves away from the world, yet they've come back feeling much better after accepting it all and moving on. See that? Natural remedies. They didnt need any scientist to tell them anything.. one can be depressed and find the strength to find joy yet you insist such is impossible. This is why I feel that scientific nonsense is a load of crap.

Just becausw of these studies their doing, you got kids automatically assuming their depressed or got adhd or ocd or something over the simplest crap. You got big name stars killing themselves due to depression and all that teaches kids is that this is actually a legit solution... facepalm. So now these mindless kids, half who dont even really know what real pain feels like killing themselves cus they seeking attention so we can all come together and be sad for them.. which in turns brain washes us more that depression is a serious threat. Its one vicious cycle made of 100% concentrated bullcrap.

lmao okay okay lets play your game. So u say depression isnt something one can just fix? Lmao so your tryna tell me that if one day I get some "chemical imbalance" in my brain and I get depressed for no reason that I have a better chance pulling excalibur from the stone like king arthur and slaying 30 dragons with it and saving a princess with beauty that puts all other women to shame.. then flying her over to my magical kingdom and living happily ever after .....than ever being happy again? LMAO u see how stupid that sounds?[/quote]

lmao aight that's some dope logic bra not gunna lie. dam tho I just saw jesus flying by my house on a motorcycle, i aint gunna let scientists tell me thats not right. My eyes do not deceive. no wat Im sayin?

@Avatar: Briefed through the article, Das coo, I disagree. Whats my credentials? Common sense. Ive personally witness depression being cured by love, love alone.. having people there who care for you, ive witnessed people be hopelessly lost for weeks.. just lock themselves away from the world, yet they've come back feeling much better after accepting it all and moving on. See that? Natural remedies. They didnt need any scientist to tell them anything.. one can be depressed and find the strength to find joy yet you insist such is impossible. This is why I feel that scientific nonsense is a load of crap.

Just becausw of these studies their doing, you got kids automatically assuming their depressed or got adhd or ocd or something over the simplest crap. You got big name stars killing themselves due to depression and all that teaches kids is that this is actually a legit solution... facepalm. So now these mindless kids, half who dont even really know what real pain feels like killing themselves cus they seeking attention so we can all come together and be sad for them.. which in turns brain washes us more that depression is a serious threat. Its one vicious cycle made of 100% concentrated bullcrap.

lmao okay okay lets play your game. So u say depression isnt something one can just fix? Lmao so your tryna tell me that if one day I get some "chemical imbalance" in my brain and I get depressed for no reason that I have a better chance pulling excalibur from the stone like king arthur and slaying 30 dragons with it and saving a princess with beauty that puts all other women to shame.. then flying her over to my magical kingdom and living happily ever after .....than ever being happy again? LMAO u see how stupid that sounds?

[quote=TheKingslayer]@AbsymalTorment: Lots of money was also thrown into finding the lockness monster & big foot too you know. Still a load of crap to me. Hey I have a different opinion from you, why is that like.. not okay? lol im curious.

@Avatar: Quite the contrary I hear the point. Its that very point that im against. You feel one simply can not will themselves out of depression, whilst I disagree. You underestimate the power of the human mind, I do not. You listened to what you read in a text book, I disagree with it.

Why cant I simply find your brain washed point of view as stupid as u find mine and we can live in peace? You cant convince me other wise and neither can I so we can always agree to disagree u know. Just remember that you quoted me, not the other way around.[/quote]

"You listen to what you read in a text book" This is false. Scientists don't tell, they show. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3919201/ Scientists merely bring physical data together in a way that others can understand and state data in a method that attempt to have as little bias as possible (nobody's perfect). If you can't understand the information and feel that you either need to "believe" or become a skeptic, that is your problem. And just to clarify I never called your point of view stupid, I was only trying to convince you that it goes against what is known. If you think they are wrong then show it.

I know I quoted you is there something wrong with that?

And finally, "You underestimate the power of the human mind, I do not." researchers dedicate their life long careers to studying the mind. What kind of credentials do you have to back up your enlightened mind? Please.

@AbsymalTorment: Lots of money was also thrown into finding the lockness monster & big foot too you know. Still a load of crap to me. Hey I have a different opinion from you, why is that like.. not okay? lol im curious.

@Avatar: Quite the contrary I hear the point. Its that very point that im against. You feel one simply can not will themselves out of depression, whilst I disagree. You underestimate the power of the human mind, I do not. You listened to what you read in a text book, I disagree with it.

Why cant I simply find your brain washed point of view as stupid as u find mine and we can live in peace? You cant convince me other wise and neither can I so we can always agree to disagree u know. Just remember that you quoted me, not the other way around.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@AbsymalTorment: Why? cus I doubted one part of their research like I clearly stated? They are capable of flaw 2 you know.. I know you see them as gods but they can be wrong too.[/quote]

Tell me why universities invest in psychology programs if its just a "myth." Tell me why students invest their time and money to become a psychologist if its just a "myth." You'd think if depression and mental illness was all false, they'd stop those programs.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Reticent: occupy yourself with your fave hobby and you'll be fine.

I simply dont believe in the chemical imbalance stuff.

@Avatar: No im not weak because I got over it. There is an overall point I was trying to make and it just flew over your head. My point is, you can fix depression, suicide due to depression is really stupid to me. I dont believe is the psychological aspect of depression to be honest. I believe the human mind I stronger than that crap, if your will is strong enough you will overcome, regardless. You on the other mind believe humans are incapable of such cus your science teacher told you so.

smfh.[/quote]

No, there was a point that I, and everyone else here was trying to make and it flew over your head evidently. The fact that you just ignored my argument and continue to repeat your general nonsense shows just that. One can't just fix depression by choosing to not be depressed in the same way that you can't write a symphony worthy of Mozart just because you have the will. I suppose you also think that vaccines give children autism too? Because strong babies would be strong enough to overcome autism?

@AbsymalTorment: Why? cus I doubted one part of their research like I clearly stated? They are capable of flaw 2 you know.. I know you see them as gods but they can be wrong too.

[quote=TheKingslayer]When it comes to what they have to say on issues such as depression? Absolutely not. Im not one of those people who simply reads or listens to stuff from "scientists" or people who are presumed to be more knowledge and just eat up every word. I access the information on my own and attempt to make sense of it. I doubt, I ask questions, I dont just obey.

I believe the will of a human being is a lot stronger than what medical research presumes about the brain, that is all. To tell me someone is incapble of joy or happiness is a huge load of crap to me, but hey they used words like "chemical imbalance" so you believe them right?[/quote]

Who needs doctors anyway? Have cancer? Better stay home. Someone shot you? Better stay home. Have a heart attack? Better stay home.

You need someone who understands what you are going through. I assume you are fairly young, and the truth is you can't be expected to learn to just "get over this" when you're still learning who you are, where you belong, and what this world is all about. I suggest you ignore the people who say this is a weakness or advise that you ignore this. That advice is akin to seeing someone's leg blown off and telling them to just walk it off. Depression is something that can really take over you and your life if you don't get ahead of it, and it's much better to do it now, when you're young and more likely to respond to treatment (whatever that may be; maybe you just need someone to talk to about things) positively. Good luck. This is only a small part of a long life

[quote=AbsymalTorment]So you don't believe in medical research?[/quote]

When it comes to what they have to say on issues such as depression? Absolutely not. Im not one of those people who simply reads or listens to stuff from "scientists" or people who are presumed to be more knowledge and just eat up every word. I access the information on my own and attempt to make sense of it. I doubt, I ask questions, I dont just obey.

I believe the will of a human being is a lot stronger than what medical research presumes about the brain, that is all. To tell me someone is incapble of joy or happiness is a huge load of crap to me, but hey they used words like "chemical imbalance" so you believe them right?

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Reticent: occupy yourself with your fave hobby and you'll be fine.

I simply dont believe in the chemical imbalance stuff.[/quote]

So you don't believe in medical research?

@Reticent: occupy yourself with your fave hobby and you'll be fine.

I simply dont believe in the chemical imbalance stuff.

@Avatar: No im not weak because I got over it. There is an overall point I was trying to make and it just flew over your head. My point is, you can fix depression, suicide due to depression is really stupid to me. I dont believe is the psychological aspect of depression to be honest. I believe the human mind I stronger than that crap, if your will is strong enough you will overcome, regardless. You on the other mind believe humans are incapable of such cus your science teacher told you so.

smfh.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Sammi: except they arent real problems at all. Depression is just a state of mind of the weak, for the most part. Learn to find joy in the simple things in life and you wont have this problem. Suicide rates are crazy high with this generation and its overall just so pathetic.. peopl aren't as mentally tough as they used to be.[/quote]

So then are you willing to call yourself weak? Depression has a molecular basis and is diagnosable similarly to the mind of a genius. In light of child prodigies like Gauss you would appear to have a weak state of mind. If you're willing to admit that and be a hypocrite, that's fine but just realize that comparing someone else's state of mind to yours and calling them weak without even considering their genetic disposition or even circumstances is wrong.

Oh and by the way, telling people with depression to "learn to find joy" is like trying to teach an infant physics, or telling a serial killer to have empathy. When you are born lacking the capacity to do something, it can't be done its as simple as that.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@zomgitsbeandy Thats what they tell you in todays world but I dont buy that load of crap. I know what it's like to be severly depressed. Before I was even 18 id been to 13 funerals, all fam, friends and loved ones, my living conditions as a kid wasn't exactly all that great, I know what it feels like to feel such pain and hate that there was absolutely nothing bad anyone could do to me I hadnt already thought about doing to myself and thats all imma say about that... but I was never weak enough to actually attempt ending my own life. I just dealt with it and learned to find joy regardless.. I always found the strength to keep going. No need for therapsts, no need for all these anti-depressant crap. If I could do it, others can do it too cus no matter what you going through, other people have gone through or are going through much worse.. if they could pull through, you can too.

But u know kids today tho... omg no one likes me *slits wrist* ....omg my bf broke up with me... *slits wrist* ....omg I have no friends *slits wrist* ......u gotta be effing kidding me.. and some of them just get all depressed for no reason too.. what? -.- ...the emo rate is at a staggering rate. Eh, this is just how I feel about it.

@AbysmalTorment To me, yes very much so. Great career, died like a weak man and thats the honest truth. I know this seems bizarre to you because they've completely brain washed the crap out of people these days to make us feel like we should weep for suicidals like its the worlds greatest tradegy but I simply dont buy that crap. Find strenght, keep going. Dont be a selfish prick and cause your fam a whole lot of pain by leaving them in this world just cus you got a paper cut.[/quote]

The fact that you found joy most likely means you weren't depressed. Just because you're sad does not mean you have depression. The reason why people with depression commit suicide is because they are chemically and physiologically incapable of ever feeling joy. So they think to themselves "why live if nothing I do in life makes me happy" they could be a billionaire, loved by many, and have a fulfilled life and still be unhappy about it all.
Also, just because sad stuff happens to you in life does not mean you have depression. That's such a common misconception. The reason why you don't believe in depression is because of teens (and yourself) who keep misusing what depression is. You're technically not using the term "depression" incorrectly, but you're lumping all different forms of depression and the different ways depression can be set off together. Which is misusing it.

Anyways. I'll end with I have a hormone imbalance so one of the side affects of taking too much of my medication is depression. I was randomly sad for about 6 weeks? But I was well aware it was because of my medication. Since it's a mood disorder. I felt like killing myself, but nothing sad in my life happened. And eventually my medication balanced out and all was good. It was cause my doctor cut my medication in half and my body hormones weren't adjusting well to that. Also, I need to take this medicine or I have a chance of dying and my bones and muscles will atrophy again. This isn't depression medication. I don't have depression.

@zomgitsbeandy Thats what they tell you in todays world but I dont buy that load of crap. I know what it's like to be severly depressed. Before I was even 18 id been to 13 funerals, all fam, friends and loved ones, my living conditions as a kid wasn't exactly all that great, I know what it feels like to feel such pain and hate that there was absolutely nothing bad anyone could do to me I hadnt already thought about doing to myself and thats all imma say about that... but I was never weak enough to actually attempt ending my own life. I just dealt with it and learned to find joy regardless.. I always found the strength to keep going. No need for therapsts, no need for all these anti-depressant crap. If I could do it, others can do it too cus no matter what you going through, other people have gone through or are going through much worse.. if they could pull through, you can too.

But u know kids today tho... omg no one likes me *slits wrist* ....omg my bf broke up with me... *slits wrist* ....omg I have no friends *slits wrist* ......u gotta be effing kidding me.. and some of them just get all depressed for no reason too.. what? -.- ...the emo rate is at a staggering rate. Eh, this is just how I feel about it.

@AbysmalTorment To me, yes very much so. Great career, died like a weak man and thats the honest truth. I know this seems bizarre to you because they've completely brain washed the crap out of people these days to make us feel like we should weep for suicidals like its the worlds greatest tradegy but I simply dont buy that crap. Find strenght, keep going. Dont be a selfish prick and cause your fam a whole lot of pain by leaving them in this world just cus you got a paper cut.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Sammi: except they arent real problems at all. Depression is just a state of mind of the weak, for the most part. Learn to find joy in the simple things in life and you wont have this problem. Suicide rates are crazy high with this generation and its overall just so pathetic.. peopl aren't as mentally tough as they used to be.[/quote]

Is Robin Williams pathetic? I didn't think so.

[quote=TheKingslayer]@Sammi: except they arent real problems at all. Depression is just a state of mind of the weak, for the most part. Learn to find joy in the simple things in life and you wont have this problem. Suicide rates are crazy high with this generation and its overall just so pathetic.. peopl aren't as mentally tough as they used to be.[/quote]

Depression is literally chemical imbalances in the brain. You can't put it off as weak state of mind. That's saying people who have x disease should die because they were born with a slightly weaker immune system than others. Before you pull some sort of Darwinism shxt on me just realize that this isn't reddit.

@Sammi: except they arent real problems at all. Depression is just a state of mind of the weak, for the most part. Learn to find joy in the simple things in life and you wont have this problem. Suicide rates are crazy high with this generation and its overall just so pathetic.. peopl aren't as mentally tough as they used to be.

So many threads made about depression on basilmarket and many people on this site still don't understand how severe depression is/can become.
Also, the TS isn't asking US for medical advice, he's asking us where to GET medical advice without getting "caught"? LOL.
and the TS has stated that he felt like this for a couple of years, so its safe to assume that he has been dealing with it on his own terms, but wants to try to take it to a professional since he feels what he is doing to cope with whatever problems he has (depression or not depression) is not working atm.

[quote=TheKingslayer]Kids these days...

They feel a little down and get labeled with some depression mental problem or adhd or some crap like that -.- ...feel a little down and its "omg life is over" and kill themselves. Back in my day u either just dealt with it or went outside to play.[/quote]
exactly. I can tell you didnt grew up in the country side. Most people spend most of their days inside their homes, so no wonder this happens to them. Put the games away!

i cant believe have ignorant ppl are about mental disorders and the fact that ya'll are shaming him further proves not enough people in this world are educated on the topic! and somehow they have sooo much to say and are experts. smh.

depression is NOT something you can fix by having a healthy lifestyle (i.e. exercising more, eating healthy, being social) in fact many people who live healthy and have "no reason to be sad" are diagnosed with depression. depression is caused by a lack of dopamine or seratonin, which is a neurotransmitter in ur brain and have many functions aside from affecting your mood. anti depressants are basically supplements for that, but there are a bunch of different anti depressants because its kind of impossible to know which of those neurotransmitters ur lacking and how much of it.

anyways, back on topic... having a bad attention span&bad memory is also a symptom of depression, albeit much less severe compared to someone with ADHD. it will be difficult to get properly diagnosed since i am assuming ur under 18 and still on your parents health insurance (unless you live outside the US, im not sure how that stuff works). you could always talk to a school counselor to maybe aid you to explain how you're feeling and trying to get your parents to understand, but they really can't help much more outside of that,

you CAN talk to your doctor about it, and they will likely refer you to a psychiatrist or they maybe able to give you anti depressants themselves. however, when you go and pick up your prescription, the charge onto your health insurance will appear on bills && of course thats the same for any therapy (that isnt free)

[quote=TheKingslayer]Kids these days...

They feel a little down and get labeled with some depression mental problem or adhd or some crap like that -.- ...feel a little down and its "omg life is over" and kill themselves. Back in my day u either just dealt with it or went outside to play.[/quote]

So basically ignore/deny possibly real problems. Ok.

If I ever get severely ill or injured I'll just deal with it or go play outside.

[quote=Zoneflare4]any physical or mental issue should be taken up with a medical doctor and not basil[/quote]

facts

I'll take an online test and tell you the results.
EDIT: I have "possible mild depression" but I doubt I have any.

Do you really want to label yourself as a depressed person, and eventually get diagnosed with it; having to take drugs that have side effects. Honestly depression is not a natural thing and if you have it especially someone of your age I really think its your life style. The best medicine is doing things that take care of you mentally, emotionally and physically. Slow heavy lifting, eating right/less (stop overeating crap all the time), deep breathing/yoga(clears the mind), more social interaction, laughing more are perfect examples of things you can do to make you feel less depressed and anxious.

@igetaroundxD:

I don't get depressed unless a certain situation calls for it. Maybe ppl are just different. Idk.

[quote=LeeKwangSoo]Well first, you need to get down on what makes you depressed, and think about how you can be not depressed by solving your problems or learning to embrace it.[/quote]

The white-knuckle masculine approach, you're going to run into many issues in relationships with that. Moments of sadness don't always follow a line of reason, its just there sometimes. It's always empathy, we need to reach out.

Well first, you need to get down on what makes you depressed, and think about how you can be not depressed by solving your problems or learning to embrace it.

you lose the prospect of government jobs and service
additionally on the private sector there can be jobs that will make this an automatic DQ
Id seek other avenues, such as counselors to gain a base for local public resources that could be better suiting then to jump the gun and start what could be a premature paper trail that could eliminate these opportunities. But note before you speak to anyone that claims confidentiality or if they don't govern their practice with confidentiality ethics then state your concerns from the beginning and direct the conversation from there. I don't know if you're underage but if you are, a slip of the tongue could drastically make things go awry. Especially, when you're at a state where you're still figuring it out.
Sometimes we just need to invite someone or let someone that we know already into our deepest thoughts. If your parents won't listen, that's truly a shame, but with those words it suggests that you just want someone to listen. A support line. Everyone needs it or else we'd all be a mess

I don't want to speak for your parents but I'm going to suggest that they don't want this a reality for you because an ill-sorted paper-trail with this does close opportunities for you, that's why I do suggest sorting things out at the lowest possible level. As all youngsters want to think, the future seems far away, but its not. Your parents are protecting your future but they're ignoring the present. That's a lovely paradox.

Talk to a doctor or qualified professional. Pediatricians now a days have a survey that they give out for depression. If you're young and do not have access to a car maybe talk to a guidance counselor.

talk to a counselor or professional. don't diagnose yourself with anything but accept that you are not feeling okay.

ive been diagnosed with pretty much everything at this point it feels like..some part of me wonders if my head is messed up from ptsd but that's what i'm bringing up to a dr next monday

if you're 15-16, it's probably puberty.

Talk with your school counselor

Kids these days...

They feel a little down and get labeled with some depression mental problem or adhd or some crap like that -.- ...feel a little down and its "omg life is over" and kill themselves. Back in my day u either just dealt with it or went outside to play.

any physical or mental issue should be taken up with a medical doctor and not basil

find a friend you can trust and talk to them.

[quote=WindowLegs]ADHD is made up?

Are you overweight? do you think about how lonely you are? do you workout? do you eat a lot of unhealthy things?[/quote]

Whatever she says man. It works!

ADHD is made up?

Are you overweight? do you think about how lonely you are? do you workout? do you eat a lot of unhealthy things?

talk to the counselor if you're still in school
that's where i received my diagnosis + medication, they are very helpful

Hm, maybe your parents are the problem.
You could try ask around from other people like counselors at school or work, etc. if there are any available resources.

Usually I would talk to the guidance counselor at my school :x. Everything is private so they won't tell anyone.
I don't know if your school has that though.
IF NOT, maybe talk to a really good friend/ trustworthy & caring adult about your "depression" problems (this is what I usually do, but it really depends though).

Online tests are never 100% accurate. When getting a physical, the doctors typically ask if you've been feeling depressed in the past two weeks or so. They'll continue to question it if you lead them on to it and they'll likely suggest you getting checked for a plethora of mental disorders. If you've got a school social worker (NOT a guidance counselor) like mine did, you can talk to them, too! If you truly feel like you're depressed, I feel like you should confront your parents about it one more time. Of course, I'm not a doctor, and it's up to your levels of comfort with the situation, but in the end, I wish you good luck!