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I agree with you about Demon Slayers... i kinda hate them right now ><

@iceychill2: I was relaxed o-o I was just questioning on how flashiness and amount of lines translates to OP o-o

@aznDitness: You need to relax. All I was saying was that their flashiness/amount of lines was OP. I didn't comment on their damage output, it's simply something I've seen in the few hayatos that I've come across while playing.

kaisers nuff said.

Definitely Bishops...

They can HEAL AND ATTACK... AT THE SAME TIME

lol

Drks need a big nerf really bad.
they should just stick to their rushing-tanking and hp mobbin.

Tempest classes
And Demon slayer, they OP again

@Raginroxas: Read my 3rd reason again "Almsot all" does not mean all...Xenon will make every stat (including all stat) except int increase so %luk won't be the only thing rising.

[quote=noobeat]as a db i agree that we(shad/dbs) both overpay for daggers but dont hate on us we actually make yall important in some way by introducing ourself as your rivals (we always be better than yall and be on nexon bookmark before yall)
dont worry ...poor night lords tho maybe the new night walker revamp make them more important[/quote]

yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall yall

Bowmasters need to get nerfed we're way too OP.

My weak shad kses luminous, db, and kaisers all day long in lhc.

[quote=Flexography]Wow, shadowers ksing you with their single mob attacks. So scary.

Editing because apparently there's a post limit for new accounts:

My point is that if you are a DB and you got KSed by a shad, you should probably quit maplestory.[/quote]
There was a time when shadowers were stronger than db's, unless he is talking about back then before phantom blow was revamped then I agree with this guy.
Not everything was once oh db is OP, before db was just another balanced class and even with a decent amount of % luk it wouldn't be so overpowered like it is now.

@brazenblitz hey, i got a kaiser lv 142, i understand what your saying, it feels as if in normal mode we hit faster with giga waves then we do in final form, and i do tend do get dced sometimes when trying to combo moves and stuff like that, in way if thats what your saying.

lol demon cry doesn't need a cooldown. It's already weak as is
sure it's good at ksing normal monsters map, but it's not that strong, consumes a lot of DF, and it's slow.

Kaisers are still too strong </3... Marksmen should lose spammable snipe and get useful hypers to strafe (maybe an upgrade of the number of hits ult strafe)

Whenever I see a Kaiser that has reached top in Dojo, or soloed a boss, or hit 200k range or whatever I always think "Big whoop, you are playing a Kaiser"

Kaiser seems like easy mode to me.

@aznDitness As i agree with the first two statements, not all of us are snobby stuck of doochbags. some of us are actually nice. and dont you worry about %luck, because when xenon and nightwalker revamp comes, the %luck prices will sky rocket lol

Not bowmasters..... L>for bowmaster revamp

[quote=heaVINsent]@allhunters .. actually its called giga waves, the 10+ line atk skill, and level 30 maxed is only 200%, starts off around 140%, yes if someone with high range, it would seem op, but your avg player will seem weak, but look at it this way, quad throw plus shadow partner is around 293% x4, + 70% of tht dmg x another 4, giga wave hits fast but so does quadthrow+ shadow partner.[/quote]Kaisers have been nerfed, albeit not too bad. They came nerfed to gms as well, though most people will not agree. Gigas Wave hits 9 mobs and 11 with xform now. We've lost a bit of attack and some range but the nerf itself isn't that bad. We can't attack at cap speed w/ transform which is our major handicap forcing players to play untransformed to dish out the best damage throughput. If we're sealed by Oz and normally use command skills (using arrows + attack instead of a hotkey) we crash instantly. Due to gigas wave being unstable, if we get closer to the speed cap of fastest 0, we'd dc rather easily.
Kaisers are a very glitched and unstable class, which people who don't play them do not understand.
The only really good kaisers are the ones who have impeccable mastery over their characters, the rest just flail around.

ksing classes are kanna luminous and demon slayer are top 3, freaking kanna owned my hubbs lvl 79 demon slayer, when u compare lvls i believe kanna can ks sooner than demon slayer.. luminous can ks no doubt about that, and so much hate on ds when DS was totally nerfed...yah they got some boosters again but they were totally nerfed and not the same.. being a good kser and a OP class is totally different... imo.. cuz it's just whoever can kill faster o.o

On topic an OP class that needs to be nerfed issssssss...... uhmm... idk LOL.... i just think of classes that should get more power tbh..

@noobeat: DBs are slightly better until Unlimited. So "always" isn't true. I could care less for NLs. They had their spotlight for almost all of Maple until Nexon started making skill revamps.

[quote=aznDitness]Because of many reasons.

1) With the introduction of DBs, dagger prices have skyrocketed.
2) With the introduction of DBs, %Luk prices have skyrocketed.
3) With the introduction of DBs, almost all of you guys became snobby ass (insert explicit words).

There's many other reasons, but these are some of the few main reasons.[/quote]as a db i agree that we(shad/dbs) both overpay for daggers but dont hate on us we actually make yall important in some way by introducing ourself as your rivals (we always be better than yall and be on nexon bookmark before yall)
dont worry ...poor night lords tho maybe the new night walker revamp make them more important

[quote=iPROLE]...and why shads hate dual blades?[/quote]

Because of many reasons.

1) With the introduction of DBs, dagger prices have skyrocketed.
2) With the introduction of DBs, %Luk prices have skyrocketed.
3) With the introduction of DBs, almost all of you guys became snobby ass (insert explicit words).

There's many other reasons, but these are some of the few main reasons.

Wait, who are they KSing exactly? Everybody trains either in a party, at dimension, evo or in PQs, where it's a benefit to be doing this kind of damage in such a way.

Asura seriously needs a massive nerf.

Every class except Dual Blades. If they would just pump up Dual Blades, everything would be even.

@richboyliang: sorry, forgot to put /sarcasm

[quote=Gallade96]DS? Not a chance. they are already nerfed hard enough. I can tell you what classes need a buff tho.

Drks
Nuff said[/quote]

and mercedes

nerfing classes on a PvE game dont make me laugh

@allhunters .. actually its called giga waves, the 10+ line atk skill, and level 30 maxed is only 200%, starts off around 140%, yes if someone with high range, it would seem op, but your avg player will seem weak, but look at it this way, quad throw plus shadow partner is around 293% x4, + 70% of tht dmg x another 4, giga wave hits fast but so does quadthrow+ shadow partner.

[quote=Icycles]Bloody DrKs so OP. Dark Impale sooo many hits, so much % damage. Hyper Body - increase hp, so godly.[/quote]

drks were among the weakest classes before hypers and are still quite weak now. no 1/1 protection; get seduced and 2 hit by any boss with 1/1. damage was poor before, a bit better now with all the damage and atk buffs given by hypers.

[quote=GhostKorea]This is coming from a Dual Blade. I lol'ed.[/quote]

Pretty sure he's a Night lord, he's holding a claw. When you choose your Basil avatar, you can make it look as if you're a different class.

[quote=daeyun]Dual Blade needs nerf (like increased CD time for FC or w.e.) or slight nerf for some skills. Shad's need buff on MC though.[/quote]

...and why shads hate dual blades?

In my humble opinion, nothing is really too OP anymore. Marksman made it to #1 in the KMS DPS charts so -dances- who cares anymore? MMPRIDE!

[quote=herborist]What shadow partner move? I'm 140 and I don't have anything like that.[/quote]

Blue blood hyper skill.

Kaisers[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2638200/0/Which_class_is_too_Op.html] [/url]

Kasiers are super op tho, they hit how much a ds hits with hyper on transform but stronger and so much fast

Demon Slayer.
They just need to make a demon cry a hyper skill or something.
Im tired of losing a channel at aliens because of them.. </3

Kaisers, Demon Slayers, Luminouses! Seriously! These 3 classes are just... so... -pretends not to be Jelly- UGH!

@iceychill2: Explain how Hayatos are OP. Just because they are flashy doesn't mean they're OP. Even the amount of lines don't amount to much if their damage sucks.

Demon slayers. No joke. That shadow partner move is so op even with cd. im lv 160 unfunded like 40% str hitting 300ks o.o

[quote=aznDitness]I've seen DrKs attack and they aren't as OP as these previous Basilers are saying. Just because you get KSed by someone doesn't mean the class is OP. They are either really funded or you just suck. trufax of the day.[/quote]

...those people were joking. it's pretty common knowledge that the DrK class is probably the least OP in the game and need to be buffed badly.

OT: Hayatos. OP flashiness/lines

I've seen DrKs attack and they aren't as OP as these previous Basilers are saying. Just because you get KSed by someone doesn't mean the class is OP. They are either really funded or you just suck. trufax of the day.

Kaiser. No further explanations.

I still think Demon cry should have a cooldown time. Something like the cannoners Monkey Madness and the BaMs Dark shock where it gets a few seconds cool down

Demon Slayers. They recently got a HUGE buff. They're even better then the released version now.

Bloody DrKs so OP. Dark Impale sooo many hits, so much % damage. Hyper Body - increase hp, so godly.

Eric class. His jumping abilities are too epic, they need to be nerfed.

Luminous , Kaiser & Xenon
Done

@Flexography what I meant by that is that it's not just the skill, the dude knew how to KS with his skills lol.