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@kelvin8604: Todd's hammer is probably a thing with this stuff so you can at least star some crappier equips without risking the boom on the new stuff, but you'd only be able to transfer epic pots =/

When they introduce a set like this, at least allow some sort of transposing or potential transfer. Many people are going to want to upgrade to the new weapon, but don't want to lose their 40%+att% potentials.
At the very minimum make stuff like Sweetwater psokable >_>

i....rather keep my transposed sw set. But then again, i can use the whole set. Maybe good for me.

"say goodbye to CRA blah blah im a noob" tyrants are always ignored lol

Looking at that base 283 on the 1h axe if primed and 15 star-ed, it be 383+8+8+8+9+9+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+11+11 or 524 attack. OH MY LION~ I am definitely gonna use the weapon for sure!

@twopointonefour: Unless the buff involves removing the overall for a top and bottom set, then no buff is going to make this appealing over our current set.

Don't forget that this set is still in the test server, it could get buffed some.

so the post updated with the weapon stats, and as an example: the arcane dagger has 276 base watk, dex and luk +100. faf dagger has 160 watk, dex and luk +40. thats a 116 watk increase, and the gap would be even bigger once its enhanced.

and for now the hat, overall, and shoulder is not in the coin shop (i guess it's similar to how the absolab suit and hat wasnt in available in scrapyard shop, but is now available in damien shop?)

@javirocks: you could replace tyrants then if we had 25 stars, that's how good it is (on anything above lvl 160)

@alienstock: that only took me to page1 for some reason but here's the link to the specific comment you want http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=78887&page=17&p=1312931&viewfull=1#post1312931

@nyan: Check yourself in the chart of this page down below:

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=78887&page=17

195 attack from the set with 50 all stat still doesn't come close to fully enhanced tyrants mind you CRA uses a top/ bottom..

The level 200 weapon might be good for additional attack, the shoulder replaces black tinker more or less,and the hat/ shoulder/ weapon might be a good three set combo but the rest of the set still seems worse off than fully enhanced tyrants..

@alienstock how do you know? sw was the new hype but then we found out it can't be psok'd

@wall: oh yea, and gachaphon and phil books, etc. nexon $$$

replacing weapon shoulder and hat most likely. Replacing anything else seems like a lost

@nyan: It can

I was wondering if it still wouldn't be worth it even when it has 25 star enhancements per equip.

I'd prob just replace my hat , weapon, and shoulder if anything and keep cra top+bottom.

The shoulders pretty nice : D

I would only consider using the Arcane set if and only if it can be psok'd.

basically the top/bottom cra. and lv200 set hat, shoulder, and weapon

We really Touhou now. I love the music too.

seems like its gonna take a while to get the equips anyway... have to buy em from a coin shop

@alienstock: Depending on how easy they make the gear to get later on (6~ months) I'll probably just replace my tyrant glove and keep all the other tyrant gear.

Even tho you drop the cape, the gloves and/or shoes, The set is pretty good. In this case, you don't have to complete theset for it to be good unlike CRA, which is why Arcane set is far stronger.

In my case, I'm getting it even if it's overall

Wow Aran polearm boost decreased? Not like this nexon. Now we need speed infusion or attack speed inner to hit cap? Y Nexon continue to crap on Arans is beyond me.

@littletlk: Don't worry they'll just put the items in gach boxes.

"Aran
Polearm Booster: attack speed boost has been decreased"

Lol after all these years of 3 stage booster.

Update: http://imgur.com/a/ZxoUE

So the 3 set (Wep, Hat, Shoulder) is for sure better than CRA since the weps are sooooooooooooooooooooo much stronger and you get more att / stat from both the equips and the set (at 3). The main question becomes whether or not 4 set is worth it.

The overall clean has more stat / atk than the CRA Top/Bottom combined, only 4 less slots total. Already went over how the clean weapon is basically worth twice as much as priming a top or bottom, so scrolling is negligible. The hat has an additional 25 base stat and 5 att over the CRA hat. Basically what it comes down to is whether or not the 45 atk and 10 ignore def is worth the potential of a top or bottom. Also should be noted that this stuff is all going to be Tier 4 potential, meaning 13% legendary lines instead of 12.

Assuming you had 21% main pots, 4% bpots, and a 4% neb on your top and bottom, and you get a 23% main pot, 6% bpot, 4% neb on your overall, you lose 58 - 33 = 25% stat to gain 45 atk and 10 pdr.

TLDR: 3 set lv200 equips (Wep, Hat, Shoulder) is for sure the best route, 4 set (Overall) is iffy, anything beyond 4 set is definitely worse because Tyrants are much better than the rest of that set (assuming you get 10* or higher on your Tyrants).

Edit: Did some better math, the real difference (on average) is 27% stat (2 piece CRA) vs. +45 atk -25 all (Lv200 Overall). In most cases the 2 piece CRA will win, however if you are only beginning to fund and or you only want to focus on scrolling and cubing 1 item, you don't lose TOO much with the Overall. CRA Top and Bottom is still technically ideal.

@twopointonefour:

I would use the whole set if I could.
The choice is only hard for the perfectionist super-funded.
But, ironically, only the perfectionist super-funded could GET these items.

It's a real hard sell. You need a 5 set to even things out. That's a hat, overall, weapon, shoulder and then you'd have to drop a tyrant item entirely just to min~max. Personally I'd just drop tyrant gloves.

Arcane Shade Hat (65 main stat/secondary stat, 7 attack/magic attack, 15% defense ignore, 11 slots)
Arcane Shade Suit (85 main stat/secondary stat, 9 attack/magic attack, 10% defense ignore, 12 slots)
Arcane Shade Shoes (40 main stat/secondary stat, 9 attack/magic attack, 7 slots)
Arcane Shade Gloves (40 main stat/secondary stat, 9 attack/magic attack, 7 slots)
Arcane Shade Cape (35 all stats, 6 attack/magic attack, 7 slots)
Arcane Shade Shoulder (35 all stats, 20 attack/magic attack, 1 slot)
Arcane Shade weapons (100 main stat/secondary stat, 30% boss damage, 20% defense ignore, 8 slots)

From orangemushroom.

@gakinotsukai:

Unfunded folks are not getting these items, lmao.

It actually sounds like they might be good alternatives for busy unfunded folks that don't have the time to invest more than getting %6 epics on their gear at most.

I'd imagine that at least in GMS if you've spent a ton cubing and perfecting a full upgrade may not be worth the trouble but I'm sure some parts of the set could be used.

@littletlk: I cry all night, buddy.

@natty2:
"muh perfect equips"

@littletlk: It doesn't come anywhere near perfected Tyrants.
Not to mention the sheer amount if %stat you lose from overall alone.

@star909:
@natty2:
@twopointonefour:
The Lv200 claw has nearly 50 more base atk than the Absolab claw, which is a 33% increase in base atk. If we're to assume that a 33% base atk increase in the average compared to Abso weps then these new weps will be substantially better than Faf weps. Depending on the base stats of the rest of the set it could very well end up being better than CRA, even with the loss of 1 extra equip.

For most end game level people, 1 atk is roughly equivalent to 2.2 stat. Using the claw as an example still, at 149 base atk and 100 base luk it's 60 luk and 63 atk higher than Fafnir at base, which is approximately 186 luk. That's more than priming a top or bottom gives by about 96, without doing any scrolling whatsoever. The set effects also give substantially more atk than the CRA set even starting from the 3 set. I think it could be easily viable to use 4 set lv200 equips. Depending on how the shoes / cape / gloves compare with tyrants then 5 set might be reasonable as well, but that's not very likely.

@star909: Does it have a shoulder? Cause that's probably the only thing I'd be interested in. Then again on second thought that bow could easily end up 470~ attack.

@littletlk: it doesnt, its basically absolab except with slightly more stats

@natty2:

I disagree.
The raw stats on these items seem way better (the weapon has +100 stat compared to +40 on faf) and the full set effect might rival tyrants.

Level 200 set has 7 pieces...
let me guess, is it weapon, shoe, hat, overall, glove, shoulder, cape?

Go figure.
These bonuses does not compensate on the loss of 3 potential lines, 3 bonus potential, and one nebulite.
CRA is still better.

@twopointonefour: The bow has 8 slots 276att 100str/dex 30% boss 20%pdr the set only gives 50 all stats.

@twopointonefour Well I mean they can without top/bottom/hat/weapon, but it'd have to be a pretty stupid set.

Unless this new set gives out like 150 main+secondary stat I won't be using it. Oh yeah the weapons have to be at least 235 attack for most weapons and minimum 10 slots.

"SAY GOODBYE TO CRAs and Absolabs"

Don't get hasty. People speculated Sweetwater was going to replace CRA+tyrants. Nexon literally can't make a better set unless they go top/bottom/hat/weapon again.

Wouldn't CRA+ Tyrant or 15 star Tyrant Transposed SW still be better than this new set?

@piana: Yes, same person. Shes been one of the commander's since a little before Twilight Perion's events took place (apparently, she ends up wandering into the Black Mage's dream on accident while he's still sealed away); she just has a new uniform now is all (I guess she changed uniforms after officially becoming a commander)

I'm wondering why Nexon is constantly trying to break an already broken game.

@domingo: Jealous of that mech's internet connection... my missiles would've been activating at like half the pace this player is using it at.

Isn't Lucid JUST 14.5 trillion? Having 9 life bars of that would be over 130 trillion health; Fairly certain it was said that each bar is 1.6 trillion.

On topic: As it is currently, the set is inferior to CRA + tyrant (if only because the overall potentially misses out on 36% stat, and the glove, shoes, and cape can't compete with their superior counterparts; if they get buffs this could change since the Fafnir set was buffed pretty significantly before it left KMST)

Hat, Shoulder and Weapon absolutely demolish anything else in the game though, pretty excited just for those pieces alone, hoping for buffs to the other pieces.

Here's a vid of a mechanic taking out one of her HP bars

http://tvpot.daum.net/v/vf40cvYhIIivFgiY9IikmlE

Honestly, I'd rather still stick with cra over arcane. The set effect is just a boosted version of absolab set effect.
http://www.insoya.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=talkmaple&no=1101040

ppl in KMS will still use CRA tops and bots