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@frugua: Short story for an idiot like you: No, it's not gambling.

Well, you know, it's not like you have to get three of the same thing in order to win. You spin the wheel thingy, and then you get all of the things that appear in all three slots. At least, that's how the describe it as working. You give them money, they give you pixels.

[quote=Ecyz]This thread is STILL going? I thought the OP was proven very wrong in the first page.[/quote]

Yep. It's still going, but slowly and your helping it as well.

This thread is STILL going? I thought the OP was proven very wrong in the first page.

[quote=RoboSkill]You have to be 18 to make an account and play. You can get permission from an adult to play if you're below the age of 18. So... It's the creator's responsibility not to let underaged people gamble.[/quote]

Don't forget you have to be 21 to actually gamble.

[quote=basketballki]wagering something of value with an UNCERTAIN outcome.[/quote]

This is the definition of gambling.

@frugua: I'm. going. to. use. a period. at. the. end. of. every. word. as. well. Nevermind takes too long. I'm just telling you that it's technically not called gambling. There is a fine line between going to the casinos in a Pokemon game and the ones in real life. Whether you like it or not, as soon as you spend NX somewhere, you are guaranteed something back. There is no value in it because it's virtual and therefore you can't call it gambling because you are getting something in return. And no gambling doesn't mean taking a risk. It means you are wagering something of value with an [b]UNCERTAIN[/b] outcome. In Maple, there is a 100% chance of getting something in return. So, it's not gambling. It could possibly influence children to start on gambling but that's for experts in psychology to decide. And really, they don't care much for this crap.

Nexon ToS, Section 12

"YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR DISSATISFACTION WITH THE SERVICE, OR ANY PART THEREOF, IS TO STOP USING THE SERVICE."

Don't like us? boohoo.

" THE MAXIMUM AGGREGATE LIABILITY OF THE COMPANY FOR ALL DAMAGES, LOSSES AND CAUSES OF ACTION, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION NEGLIGENCE), STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE, SHALL BE THE LESSER OF TWENTY U.S. DOLLARS OR THE TOTAL CUMULATIVE AMOUNT PAID BY YOU TO OBTAIN CASH ITEMS."

Total Compensation you will be given, in cash, will be up to a maximun of $20.

Go for it, sue, pay for $1000+ in legal costs for $20.

[quote=BreakerZ]Its not gambling if its dealing with virtual money -.-[/quote]

Of course it is. Gambling is a word for a collected amount of things, all involving you trying your luck. However, how bad it is may be another concern since it regards virtual money. But in the end, those virtual money are bought with real money, so I'd say it is still quite bad. But as many other previously stated, Nexon has got to have a million lawyers, meaning they know that they can get away with this.

with gambling you have a chance(pretty high) to lose money on w/e you gambled with, but with the nexon slot machine you have a chance of getting 3 items, actual gambling, you have a risk of losing everything, the nexon slot machine you get not just an item, but 3 and you dont lose anything, TS please go be stupid somewhere else and look up these things before you lose more knowledge -_-

The ToS is basically a shield to all sueing. It's how they win.

you people still deny the fact that cubing is a major factor of the game now to the point its not funny and in order to cube one must spend RL money to gamble for his/her stats whcih takes luck to land... each cube is a gamble you will or will not touch said stats.

[quote=frugua]OMG For the last time. Gambling=Taking Risk. Taking Risk=Gambling. Stop denying people...[/quote]

Then technically we could be sued for anything that involves a factor of risk? I could sue you for anything then since everything technically involves a factor of risk. What if I took the risk of my stuffed animals growing lasers in their eyes and stabbing me with a pencil? That is a risk no? How can you be 100% of anything?

MS in general has become a major form of gambling Cubes being the major one of all because of how it alienates all who cant afford to do it even those who can afford still get alienated by it because it takes a ton of luck even if you got the stats we all know they were still adding in new tiers... and if you just so happen to cube again... it would cause more harm to your parents wallet...

sue em for which reason? for the fun? for the lol? suing isnt a joke, are you retard?

Not really, it's not a gamble because you get a prize every time...

@ImaClubYou: my bad then, i thought you were talking about the nexons slot machine.

[quote=tkirsch]@ImaClubYou: not really... the crane game is not always guarrented a prize
the slot game is guarrented 3 prizes every time[/quote]

I was referring to real slot machine's, which don't give you a prize for losing. But, my mistake.

Besides, you can [i]casually[/i] call it a gamble, even though you always win a prize, even if it's not one you wanted.

[quote=PurpleMatter]So Nexon is earning money through a randomized item mechanism?
[b]OMG LIEK THEY'RE HEARTLESS AND CRUEL TEACHING KIDS HOW TO GAMBLE WE SHOULD SUE.[/b][/quote]

You have fun now.

So Nexon is earning money through a randomized item mechanism?
[b]OMG LIEK THEY'RE HEARTLESS AND CRUEL TEACHING KIDS HOW TO GAMBLE WE SHOULD SUE.[/b]

i am pretty sure no maple player has ever read the WHOLE tos. But really though, slot machines? I believe this is influencing youngins to gamble.

Who would take this game so, seriously that would sue Nexon...

The Korean government is already investigating a number of online gaming companies INCLUDING Nexon, for promoting underage gambling.
I haven't read anything recently about how that's going (don't read many Korean language business newspapers), but it's a start.

I'd like to see the US Congress investigate the same thing and put it under the same laws that regulate (and prevent) underage online poker gambling which they did hold hearings about fairly recently.

Obviously individual Maplestory players are never going to get anywhere against Nexon, but if the US Government gets on their case, we might see some changes.

@ImaClubYou: not really... the crane game is not always guarrented a prize
the slot game is guarrented 3 prizes every time

soo your telling all the nexon haters to spend lots on money on suing nexon and getting a lawyer just to get back that 10 or $20.00 they spent on a Nexon card?

[quote=tkirsch]@ImaClubYou: and its your own fault if you don't have enough skill to illegitly make the favour of winning a good prize(3 actualy) on the slots machine.[/quote]

Yeah.. that's right? But what you are comparing in terms of luck are different. Crane game take's skill. Slots take luck.

[quote=chelvan3]Under the law, 18- cannot gamble.
and in gambling policy, the company needs to state the odds, which Nexon did not.

TOS is not above the law, so it is a law breaking TOS cannot solve everything[/quote]
If you really believe in that, you should go to court.

@ImaClubYou: and its your own fault if you don't have enough skill to illegitly make the favour of winning a good prize(3 actualy) on the slots machine.

[quote=tkirsch]so anyone can also sue bars that have those toy crane things? beucase you put money in and try your luck to get something?[/quote]

That's not luck. It's your own fault if you didn't have enough [b]skill[/b] to get the prize.

so anyone can also sue bars that have those toy crane things? beucase you put money in and try your luck to get something?

[quote=kyle1435]You sign away a bunch of your rights when you sign up and agree to the ToS, so I'm pretty sure they legally can do it.[/quote]

That's bull. Underage gambling is illegal, and a contract or a section of the contract (if it has a severability clause) is void if it breaks the law.

Lolol well I was just starting a debate kind of thread just to see what you guys have to say.

Honestly,
The company can be sued for few of the most noticeable thing such as their customer service. But stuff like this I am pretty sure they can't be sued but i just wanted to see other's point of view. (=

Good luck getting counter-sued for slander and harassment

Legally, it's not gambling if you are guaranteed to win something every time.

Finding a cheap lawyer who is willing to work for you- impossible
Winning the case- impossible

impossible x impossible = possible

good luck trying to find a lawyer who wants to work w you
who thinks having a chance at winning this case is plausible

Don't you always get three items? There's no 'matching' involved.

it's not gambling because you always win a random something. unless you consider those real life toy dispensers are a form of gambling too (those machines that give you a random toy after you put in 50cents when you turn the handle thingie).

and besides, that something gained in-game cannot be exchanged for real money (at least not within their TOS).

hmm lets see. A multi million dollar company VS you... hmmm I wonder who is going to win.

[quote=pedropimp101]virtual money tat u get with real money (no surveys dont count cause it doenst work for alot of people)[/quote]

Yeah, cross out Surveys since "most" people can't do it
Heck, cross out Maple Points if it makes your argument seem more valid, just cross out everything you want to get your point through

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=2
Wizet is part of Nexon. It never went away. 4, 5
Daniel Chin (NXNeutral)
Q) How did Nexon America begin and what exactly is Wizet's relationship to Nexon? What is Wizet's current status?
A) Nexon America is Nexon Corporation's North American publishing and game service arm. We started with the localization of MapleStory for North America, and have grown to support multiple game launches in North America. Wizet is the developer of MapleStory and also a subsidiary of Nexon Corporation. The Wizet team continues to develop and add content to MapleStory around the world.

If you're going to sue someone for the wheel. Sue [b]Wizet.[/b]
Wizet make's updates and content, [b]Nexon[/b] just put's it in and advertises.

Sorry, loopholes.

>;- 0 can anyone sue? Didn't know.
Anyways, it's not gambeling if you get a prize every time.

[quote=BreakerZ]Its not gambling if its dealing with virtual money -.-[/quote]

virtual money tat u get with real money (no surveys dont count cause it doenst work for alot of people)

You sign away a bunch of your rights when you sign up and agree to the ToS, so I'm pretty sure they legally can do it.

Its not gambling if its dealing with virtual money -.-

Cubes are a type of Gamble.
MMBs are also a type of Gamble.

This slot machine isn't that only Gamble in this game.