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@AFofficer: So.. you're specifically in OTS right now? Or ROTC? I processed through the MEPS in San Diego. (I'm assuming that's the SDSU you're referring to) I was in the DEP for like a year and a half.

I've been AD for some over a year now. My first choice was loadmaster, but I was 1 inch too short, so I went with my second choice, Imagery Analysis. Intel just seemed interesting and I figured a Top Secret clearance wouldn't be all that bad to have. I'll have something rather valuable when I get out.

[quote=AFofficer]@midVee:

Hopefully soon to be 64PX

What's yours?[/quote]

Then what is it as of now?
Intel. 1N151A

@Akatsuki0826: I see you would make a perfect mindless soldier.

[quote=AFofficer]... You have loadmasters, intelligence, electronic, aviation systems, armament systems, combat control, PJ's, recon, and many more. [/quote]

What's your AFSC?

@AFofficer I'm glad to hear from an actual Airman who can give a more straight foward answer for drones question because i believe my answer was quite flawed but i do agree with you drones won't replace the AF and sorry if my answer was flawed i was just answering to the best of my abilities for that answer on what knew about drones.

@afofficer thanks man and my mos is 35Q, cryptologic network warfare specialist. Its a military intelligence mos. I can't wait to leave.

@midVee: Okay, I accept that.

@AFofficer
the military budget last year was around 1.5 trillion i believe so thats almost 1/10th of the current debt we probly wouldnt have as much debt if we didnt start a war we couldnt finance let alone it was started under false pretense im not saying we don't need an army and all branches of said army but we need to pick and choose our battles to many of our people died in the iraq war hopefully we wont have to invade syria tho they are an ally of the U.S their problems are their own we can provided supplies and weapons but hopefully thats it

[quote=TrueAtheist]@FluffyJagaur What do you think about drones essentially replacing the air force? We now have drones that can take off and land by themselves on aircraft carriers.[/quote]

The Air Force does not solely consist of Aircraft. There's no way drones could replace a military branch especially with the amount of maintenance needed.
The air targeting process often calls for certain payloads drones can't even deliver.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]@williamme: You must not know much about the military if you think soldiers could just disobey orders whenever they feel like it. As TrueAtheist said, the whole point of the military is to follow orders. If you're not going to do that, why did you even bother signing up.[/quote]

Well, If an unlawful order has been given, it CAN be disobeyed. When you swear in you take an oath stating you will, "obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, [i]according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice[/i]. "
Article 92 of the UCMJ states "military personnel have an obligation and a duty to disobey unlawful orders."

So if there was proper justification sent down through the chain telling you to shoot a little girl.. you have to, or else punitive action can be taken against you.
But if an officer is telling you to shoot the little girl just because, then you can disobey the order. In fact, if you followed the order, punitive action will be taken against the both of you.

@TrueAtheist: Ah Drones i personally believe Drones are an efficient way of keep troops safe but it would be very foolish of the Pentagon to implement an All Drone Air Force/Navy because Drones can't make split second decisions as fast as a human in a fighter jet or a pilot in a transport plane about to drop Airborne troops can and due to the fact that a Data Link is required between Drone and Controller setting it up Controller > Satellite > Drone and vice versa if one country were to take out our satellites or all the data links for the drones were interrupted then our all drone Air Force/Navy would be rendered useless and we'd be open for invasion since Air Superiority helps wins battles, I personally think Drones should be used just for Spying/Recon,Troop Resupply like Fire Scout and Air Strikes of strategic targets while combat missions or close air support,air drops, strategic bombing,ECM or electronic counter measures missions should be left to a human pilot in an aircraft.

@Akatsuki0826 What @williamme is saying is that you could always disoby orders but get punished for it, (maybe even kicked out of the US army, im not sure, just saying because you dont have to go)
but for the israeli you just go to a sentence and your punishment wont even be that bad, could be staying a saturday at the base instead of going home or even go to jail, it depends.

i wouldnt join the army simply because the american army thinks of its self as the world police we have so much money to kill people but cant even provide medical for its own people without the economy falling, and the way they treat the soldiers is horrible they abandon their vets as if they are disposable

@TrueAtheist well, in the israeli army, this guy I know shot an arabs thigh instead of under the xxx knee and got 7 months in jail.
"Well there are no orders that tell you to kill innocent civilians." shes definitely right, its obviously illegal even if the kids throwing rocks at you and making you bleed out of your face or something like that.
if a commander tells you to do that then he must be effed up because its illegal.
Why cant I say "the ss knee" without the ss o.o

I all ready signed up I leave to basic combat training November 5th. I signed up with the Army. I have a 5 year active duty contract and 3 years inactive.

@williamme: You must not know much about the military if you think soldiers could just disobey orders whenever they feel like it. As TrueAtheist said, the whole point of the military is to follow orders. If you're not going to do that, why did you even bother signing up.

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@FluffyJagaur What do you think about drones essentially replacing the air force? We now have drones that can take off and land by themselves on aircraft carriers.

@williamme That's like saying firefighters have the choice not to fight a fire.. sure.. technically, but it's not what their job is and it's not why they signed up.

@TrueAtheist: I know a lot of people who would disagree with you and your views. I'm just saying that you have the choice to disobey if you so choose at the risk of punishment.

Guys have to sign up for Selective Service... ugh

[quote=midVee]They stream that video all the time on our network and I get bombarded with emails saying, "Make sure to watch this if you haven't already!"

The amount of SARC (Sexual Assault and Response Center) training we get is ridiculous. It's almost annoying. I honestly think no matter how many days they sit us down and have someone talk at us saying "grape is bad", there's gonna be those weirdos who don't even care and are still gonna end up assaulting someone.

Well there are no orders that tell you to kill innocent civilians. Even if there are, you are allowed to refuse unethical orders, because saying "I was just following orders" in court does not fly.[/quote]

"Well there are no orders that tell you to kill innocent civilians"

I really hope you're not that naive.

1 million (innocent) civilian deaths in Iraq and counting.

[quote=williamme]You don't have to do those things even if you're a soldier. Each and everyone of us have free will, and the will to refuse an order by a superior.[/quote]

lol, the entire point of the military is conformation and giving up your free will in order to follow orders, if you refuse an order by a superior you can be kicked out of the military and if that's something you would do you probably shouldn't even sign up to begin with. The entire point of the military is to follow orders and not question them.

@NoobCake: Well technically the Army lost its Air Branch which was the Army Air Corps in 1947 with the National Security Act of 1947 which created the Department of the Air Force and created the United States Air Force and alot of the aircraft operation went to the USAF although the US Army does maintain a fleet of helicopters AH-64s,UH-60s etc. they don't really operate any big aircraft and it also would make sense for few to fly because of all the budget cuts so less people are being trained in all military branches but I think there's going to be a better chance of me being trained to fly fighter jets in the Navy because the Navy is rolling out a new fighter jet the F-35C Lighting 2/JSF which means more people are going to be trained to fly and maintain those aircraft and although its a nice concept i don't really like the way they're doing it so i hopefully get to be trained for F/A-18E.

@xetal: Allow me to reiterate. Instead of blindly following orders, one has the "free will" to choose to disobey any command that does not adhere to own's ethical principles.

Nope.

I'm strongly considering the Navy after graduation.

The only problem would be seeing my gf so little...

[quote=metaghost4]Maybe if there was a powerful and relentless threat against us. Threaten the people I care about and I'll be glad to kill you.[/quote]
You dont have it in you to kill a person

If I join the military I'm probably going to be a doctor or something

I don't like getting yelled at, I can't control it but i just tear up like i'm almost ready to cry when there's mass amounts of loud yelling in my face. Also I don't think they'd accept me with my knee being all swollen and bad shape

Nope never would because for one i dont want someone telling me who my enemies are and who to kill

[quote=Thorontur]i wouldnt join the military myself but if people want to i wont stop them.
Kinda on-topic the Invisible War was a sad and slightly disturbing documentary.[/quote]

They stream that video all the time on our network and I get bombarded with emails saying, "Make sure to watch this if you haven't already!"

The amount of SARC (Sexual Assault and Response Center) training we get is ridiculous. It's almost annoying. I honestly think no matter how many days they sit us down and have someone talk at us saying "grape is bad", there's gonna be those weirdos who don't even care and are still gonna end up assaulting someone.

[quote=xetal]Technically, not true. You take an oath before you swear in stating that you will obey the orders of people appointed over you. Sure you "technically can" but there are consequences[/quote]

Well there are no orders that tell you to kill innocent civilians. Even if there are, you are allowed to refuse unethical orders, because saying "I was just following orders" in court does not fly.

[quote=FluffyJagaur]Yep! I plan on joining the military after College(currently Highschool atm) while in College i plan on doing NROTC(Navy Reserve Officer Training Corps) then i'll join the US Navy as an officer and hopefully be trained to fly the [url=http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/fa_18_ef_super_hornet_l1.jpg]F/A-18E Super Hornet[/url] then be deployed with either 3rd or 7th Fleet.

EDIT: And if you're wondering why i want to join the Navy my dad was in the Navy for 20 years and i wanted be just like him.[/quote]

I hear that although there are many pilots in the army, very few of them actually get to fly.

no because I dont like America.
jk, Im not even American.

I won't anyways, ain't required

no, I'm not an idiot.

@DangerousEyes: Where do you want to serve? or do you already know where?

I'm in the NROTC and after college I'll be joining the United States Marine Core

@kelav: yeah

yes sir I would.

I'm not very patriotic and I have a few shortcomings that I rather deal with as a civilian, so no :0

@DangerousEyes Israel?

[quote=williamme]You don't have to do those things even if you're a soldier. Each and everyone of us have free will, and the will to refuse an order by a superior.[/quote]

Technically, not true. You take an oath before you swear in stating that you will obey the orders of people appointed over you. Sure you "technically can" but there are consequences

Yep! I plan on joining the military after College(currently Highschool atm) while in College i plan on doing NROTC(Navy Reserve Officer Training Corps) then i'll join the US Navy as an officer and hopefully be trained to fly the [url=http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/fa_18_ef_super_hornet_l1.jpg]F/A-18E Super Hornet[/url] then be deployed with either 3rd or 7th Fleet.

EDIT: And if you're wondering why i want to join the Navy my dad was in the Navy for 20 years and i wanted be just like him.

For Amurica? pfffffffft no.

If I was poor and had no choice then yes because of the benefits.
If I couldn't pay for tuition then I'd join the reserve.

I'm joining because everyone in my country has to go by law, but I think its great.

[quote=Harlequinist]Yeah well kids can still kill people with those guns, so that's not a huge problem for me. Dumbass kids. I just don't like the stories how soldiers go and kill/r@pe/torture/humiliate unarmed civilians... soldiers basically are soulless robots, so screw that.[/quote]

Yeah I definitely think a lot of people are unfit for the military. There are probably so many incidents of soldiers doing terrible things to civilians and they go undocumented.

i wouldnt join the military myself but if people want to i wont stop them.
Kinda on-topic the Invisible War was a sad and slightly disturbing documentary.

[quote=Harlequinist]Yeah well kids can still kill people with those guns, so that's not a huge problem for me. Dumbass kids. I just don't like the stories how soldiers go and kill/r@pe/torture/humiliate unarmed civilians... soldiers basically are soulless robots, so screw that.[/quote]
You don't have to do those things even if you're a soldier. Each and everyone of us have free will, and the will to refuse an order by a superior.